Or you know the path you run without having to be told where to turn.
What makes all this really stupid are these "serious" people can can carry their iPhone on therm to get AGPS data if they want.
I'm guessing most people that run would love to not have to carry their phone with them.
I understand why ?Watch v 1.0 is so reliant on iPhone. My argument in this thread is it will be less reliant sooner rather than later. No way will it be 3-5 years before we see GPS and wifi on this device.
<span style="font-size:16px;line-height:1.4em;">The back of the watch doesn't have any manufacturing info. Can Apple sell an Edition watch for thousands of dollars if it says assembled in China on the back?</span>
Yeah, Apple must be really stupid to be not asking -- or have an answer to -- such questions. It's a good thing we have you to alert Apple.
Agreed.
Having Made in China on the back is the sign of a naff product. Made in Switzerland is rather better, to put it mildly.
I thought that the "/s" in my post was implied in spades, but apparently not....
2) How do you load non-iTS content into the Music and Videos apps?
1) It's an iPhone - I have never had to do a system restore on any iPhone I have owned
2) I do not keep much music or videos on my phone (my phone is used mainly for email, web browsing, as a sat nav, viewing and editing documents and making phone calls) - those that I do have are from the Apple Store. If I want a lot of music I use an iPod.
I think if you want to put music and video onto an android phone you also need to connect it to a pc/Mac?
For most runners and cyclists, GPS is essential, which makes the Apple Watch a no go.
I'm a pretty active cyclist. I would never consider going on a ride without my iPhone, as it is essential emergency gear (yes, how times change.) Apple Watch will connect to it in my back pocket where it will always be. And, the taptic feedback in the Apple Watch will give me better directions that the Garmin map on my bars. This does take some programming ahead of a ride, but I do take complicated routes, and it helps.
For most runners and cyclists, GPS is essential, which makes the Apple Watch a no go.
I'm a pretty active cyclist. I would never consider going on a ride without my iPhone, as it is essential emergency gear (yes, how times change.) Apple Watch will connect to it in my back pocket where it will always be. And, the taptic feedback in the Apple Watch will give me better directions that the Garmin map on my bars. This does take some programming ahead of a ride, but I do take complicated routes, and it helps.
Good reply, though I hope you don't own an iPhone 6 or 6 Plus, as you're liable to bend it in your back pocket.
And since when has the iPhone and iPad been a "naff" product? Never.
Benjamin Frost has a point. We're fine with CE coming from China but you define something as jewelry China isn't what we consider to be quality. We don't even think of the US when we consider high-end watches.
I wouldn't be surprised if Apple doesn't use manufacturing in select European countries for precious metals of their watches.
Benjamin Frost has a point. We're fine with CE coming from China but you define something as jewelry China isn't what we consider to be quality. We don't even think of the US when we consider high-end watches.
I wouldn't be surprised if Apple doesn't use manufacturing in select European countries for precious metals of their watches.
I'm not responsible for his small mindedness. China has a rich history of jewelry and is reemerging in that market both domestically and internationally starting with Jade and the high end brand of Zhaoyi Cuiwu. China is also the world's largest producer of cultured pearls. The Shanghai diamond exchange is now a major exchange for the diamond industry as is the shanghai gold exchange.
There was a time when everyone thought Japan made cheap crappy cars too.
As far as American watches go RGM is well known among aficionados and the Hamilton Watch Company is an American brand purchased by Swatch. Unfortunately RGM is the only remains US company making movements in the U.S. and a very exclusive make. They don't make millions of watches like Rolex.
I'm not responsible for his small mindedness. China has a rich history of jewelry and is reemerging in that market both domestically and internationally starting with Jade and the high end brand of Zhaoyi Cuiwu. China is also the world's largest producer of cultured pearls. The Shanghai diamond exchange is now a major exchange for the diamond industry as is the shanghai gold exchange.
There was a time when everyone thought Japan made cheap crappy cars too.
As far as American watches go RGM is well known among aficionados and the Hamilton Watch Company is an American brand purchased by Swatch. Unfortunately RGM is the only remains US company making movements in the U.S. and a very exclusive make. They don't make millions of watches like Rolex.
I don't think anyone is saying that perception of "Made in China" can't change, but as of right now the perception of high-end watches is not something that has "Made in China" stamped on it. If not for Apple's focus on quality products and pushing the envelope for design and manufacturing with a boutique-like range of products I'm not even sure CE made in China would be considered quality today.
Do you think Apple will use China for manufacturing their bands and metal casings, as well as assembly, or do you think they'll use Western shops in order to give a different impression?
I don't think anyone is saying that perception of "Made in China" can't change, but as of right now the perception of high-end watches is not something that has "Made in China" stamped on it. If not for Apple's focus on quality products and pushing the envelope for design and manufacturing with a boutique-like range of products I'm not even sure CE made in China would be considered quality today.
Do you think Apple will use China for manufacturing their bands and metal casings, as well as assembly, or do you think they'll use Western shops in order to give a different impression?
I think that Apple branding is sufficient that "Assembled in China" will have little impact for the watch if that's what they ultimately decide. Apple quality has been consistently high and given it has always depended on third party manufacturing in China and elsewhere this is a non-issue. It's not as if they moved production from the US or Europe to cheaper asian manufacturing.
They might go "Assembled in the USA" if the volume is low enough to make it cost effective. For the top end watches the volumes certainly would be low enough. Whether it is cost effective to assemble millions of sport versions in the US is debatable. However, being a US company they have made Made in the USA a desired element of their corporate face. They might do it just on that basis.
Since it probably wouldn't qualify for Swiss Made because of the electronics there's likely little value if assembling it in Europe. Tiffany certainly is not hurt by it's US manufacturing base even if some of the higher end pieces are done in Italy. And of course, Harry Winston is another famous US jewelry brand.
Regarding the watch bands the leathers are from Italian, French and Dutch tanneries.
Tiffany certainly is not hurt by it's US manufacturing base even if some of the higher end pieces are done in Italy. And of course, Harry Winston is another famous US jewelry brand.
But do either of these use China? What about other high-end brands, if we exclude electronics manufacturing?
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Except it won't say Made in China. Apple's products say Assembled in China.
I'm guessing most people that run would love to not have to carry their phone with them.
I understand why ?Watch v 1.0 is so reliant on iPhone. My argument in this thread is it will be less reliant sooner rather than later. No way will it be 3-5 years before we see GPS and wifi on this device.
Agreed.
Having Made in China on the back is the sign of a naff product. Made in Switzerland is rather better, to put it mildly.
Except it won't say Made in China. Apple's products say Assembled in China.
You're as pedantic as me. ????
"need"? Really?
Whenever Apple releases the Watch, it will be okay. Apple is not hurting for cash, does not have to give the impression it is innovative, etc.
iDevices still aren't decoupled from Macs/PCs with iTunes so I'm not sure that's likely to happen anytime soon.[/quote]
My iPhone and iPads have never been connected to a Mac or a pc so I don't know where you got that information from?
1) How to do a system restore?
2) How do you load non-iTS content into the Music and Videos apps?
A system restore can be performed at an Apple Store.
Loading non-iTunes media can be done in a multitude of apps, not to mention streaming. There's no need to use the Apple Music and Video apps.
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I thought that the "/s" in my post was implied in spades, but apparently not....
1) It's an iPhone - I have never had to do a system restore on any iPhone I have owned
2) I do not keep much music or videos on my phone (my phone is used mainly for email, web browsing, as a sat nav, viewing and editing documents and making phone calls) - those that I do have are from the Apple Store. If I want a lot of music I use an iPod.
I think if you want to put music and video onto an android phone you also need to connect it to a pc/Mac?
You're the outlier.
For most runners and cyclists, GPS is essential, which makes the Apple Watch a no go.
I'm a pretty active cyclist. I would never consider going on a ride without my iPhone, as it is essential emergency gear (yes, how times change.) Apple Watch will connect to it in my back pocket where it will always be. And, the taptic feedback in the Apple Watch will give me better directions that the Garmin map on my bars. This does take some programming ahead of a ride, but I do take complicated routes, and it helps.
You're the outlier.
For most runners and cyclists, GPS is essential, which makes the Apple Watch a no go.
I'm a pretty active cyclist. I would never consider going on a ride without my iPhone, as it is essential emergency gear (yes, how times change.) Apple Watch will connect to it in my back pocket where it will always be. And, the taptic feedback in the Apple Watch will give me better directions that the Garmin map on my bars. This does take some programming ahead of a ride, but I do take complicated routes, and it helps.
Good reply, though I hope you don't own an iPhone 6 or 6 Plus, as you're liable to bend it in your back pocket.
Bet you that the gold ones will be assembled in the US. Possibly all of them if they can automate it.
They assemble the Mac Pro here and the watch will be simpler since the SIP is likely modular in relation the the sensor back and display.
And since when has the iPhone and iPad been a "naff" product? Never.
Benjamin Frost has a point. We're fine with CE coming from China but you define something as jewelry China isn't what we consider to be quality. We don't even think of the US when we consider high-end watches.
I wouldn't be surprised if Apple doesn't use manufacturing in select European countries for precious metals of their watches.
I'm not responsible for his small mindedness. China has a rich history of jewelry and is reemerging in that market both domestically and internationally starting with Jade and the high end brand of Zhaoyi Cuiwu. China is also the world's largest producer of cultured pearls. The Shanghai diamond exchange is now a major exchange for the diamond industry as is the shanghai gold exchange.
There was a time when everyone thought Japan made cheap crappy cars too.
As far as American watches go RGM is well known among aficionados and the Hamilton Watch Company is an American brand purchased by Swatch. Unfortunately RGM is the only remains US company making movements in the U.S. and a very exclusive make. They don't make millions of watches like Rolex.
I don't think anyone is saying that perception of "Made in China" can't change, but as of right now the perception of high-end watches is not something that has "Made in China" stamped on it. If not for Apple's focus on quality products and pushing the envelope for design and manufacturing with a boutique-like range of products I'm not even sure CE made in China would be considered quality today.
Do you think Apple will use China for manufacturing their bands and metal casings, as well as assembly, or do you think they'll use Western shops in order to give a different impression?
I don't think anyone is saying that perception of "Made in China" can't change, but as of right now the perception of high-end watches is not something that has "Made in China" stamped on it. If not for Apple's focus on quality products and pushing the envelope for design and manufacturing with a boutique-like range of products I'm not even sure CE made in China would be considered quality today.
Do you think Apple will use China for manufacturing their bands and metal casings, as well as assembly, or do you think they'll use Western shops in order to give a different impression?
I think that Apple branding is sufficient that "Assembled in China" will have little impact for the watch if that's what they ultimately decide. Apple quality has been consistently high and given it has always depended on third party manufacturing in China and elsewhere this is a non-issue. It's not as if they moved production from the US or Europe to cheaper asian manufacturing.
They might go "Assembled in the USA" if the volume is low enough to make it cost effective. For the top end watches the volumes certainly would be low enough. Whether it is cost effective to assemble millions of sport versions in the US is debatable. However, being a US company they have made Made in the USA a desired element of their corporate face. They might do it just on that basis.
Since it probably wouldn't qualify for Swiss Made because of the electronics there's likely little value if assembling it in Europe. Tiffany certainly is not hurt by it's US manufacturing base even if some of the higher end pieces are done in Italy. And of course, Harry Winston is another famous US jewelry brand.
Regarding the watch bands the leathers are from Italian, French and Dutch tanneries.
But do either of these use China? What about other high-end brands, if we exclude electronics manufacturing?
But do either of these use China? What about other high-end brands, if we exclude electronics manufacturing?
What? You mean like Coach, Prada, Armani, Burberry, etc?