So Flurry is a trustworthy analytics firm? I'm not saying I doubt their figures, I'm just trying to keep straight which analytics firms are considered credible here.
For you it’s simple. If the analytics show Apple in a positive light then they are bogus. If they show Apple doomed they are trustworthy. In this case, of course, Flurry is untrustworthy and a paid shill for Apple. Simple.
Junk it is. That's why these figures are meaningless. Can't compare junk devices with apple. All these junk devices should not be included in the mix, all devices now are considered smart just by installing android on them.
Stop lying. You're not trying to "keep straight which analytics firms are considered credible". You're just looking for an excuse to troll.
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I'm sure you don't want to hear this, but for those that are ACTUALLY interested in how Flurry works, developers integrate Flurry code directly into their Apps. This code gathers data they use to get their figures. This is why firms like Flurry can make accurate predictions about the number of devices as their software is quite literally installed onto millions of those devices (via Apps).
All the top analytics firms that track things like iOS usage show similar numbers. This despite some using actual embedded code within Apps and some tracking visits to web pages or access to services. And these firms all agree on one thing:
That iOS completely dominates in all metrics that count. Internet usage, online shopping, App revenue for developers, App downloads, developer interest, digital content purchases, Enterprise use. Everything but one - market share. Which clearly doesn't mean anything more than a number to flaunt to uneducated people to trick them that your platform is doing something right.
So you're saying it is OK for Flurry to install tracking software on my device. Seems a bit unethical to me and perhaps illegal as well. I' m not sure I would consider a firm with that kind of ethics to be credible.
Imagine that, now that all the Android users have replaced their phablets with the 6 Plus, demand for gigantic phones has significantly dropped in favor of smaller sizes. I would love to know if the 5S sold as well or better than the 6 Plus.
Now hold on. How many actually LIE about Android numbers? I've never seen an Android report that claimed they have more App revenue for developers or have higher usage in Enterprise (for example). The ONLY area they seem to win is in market share, and I have no doubt Android has a much greater market share than iOS due to the incredibly large number of $100 Android phones available around the world.
Ok. Fair enough, they use shipments as a basis for market share. That's flawed. Also consider only Apple gives real numbers and the other vendor numbers are guesswork at best.
Well I got the iPhone 6+ gold 128 gb unlocked the day after Christmas. Most amazing device ever. Didn't really need it and think of returning it, but finding it difficult to do.
Indeed it is. If somebody makes yet another piece of junk Android phone and they ship a million of them to stores, yet they only sell 50,000 of them, what happens to the remaining 950,000?
They get counted towards Android's "amazing" marketshare no doubt.
Indeed it is. If somebody makes yet another piece of junk Android phone and they ship a million of them to stores, yet they only sell 50,000 of them, what happens to the remaining 950,000?
They get counted towards Android's "amazing" marketshare no doubt.
Either that or they get put in a landfill along with old Atari 2600 copies of ET
Either that or they get put in a landfill along with old Atari 2600 copies of ET
At least those old, dug up copies of ET are worth something. Some sold in the four figure range. I can't say the same for any Android phones." src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
And actually, I had an Atari 2600 back in the day, and a friend of mine had that ET game. I can certainly understand why some people think that it's the worst game ever.
I also had PacMan on the Atari 2600. That was one of my favorite arcade games, and I was so disappointed and mad when I bought the Atari 2600 version. If I recall correctly, I paid nearly $40 for it, and that was decades ago, and today we got these geniuses and extreme cheapskates who whine about 99 cent apps. It was pure garbage, perhaps one of the worst ports ever to have been made in the history of video games. It was nothing like the original.
So you're saying it is OK for Flurry to install tracking software on my device. Seems a bit unethical to me and perhaps illegal as well. I' m not sure I would consider a firm with that kind of ethics to be credible.
Say what? Flurry doesn't install "tracking software" into your phone. App developers include it with their Apps so they can capture data about how the App is being used. Similar to how App developers install crash detection and monitoring software to capture data when Apps crash to help with eliminating bugs.
Lots of App developers use Flurry, and I'm quite sure if there was something going on (like Flurry is recording information about you) that it would have been picked up by now. The source code is available from Flurry for free to anyone who registers.
Say what? Flurry doesn't install "tracking software" into your phone. App developers include it with their Apps so they can capture data about how the App is being used. Similar to how App developers install crash detection and monitoring software to capture data when Apps crash to help with eliminating bugs.
Lots of App developers use Flurry, and I'm quite sure if there was something going on (like Flurry is recording information about you) that it would have been picked up by now. The source code is available from Flurry for free to anyone who registers.
Ok. Fair enough, they use shipments as a basis for market share. That's flawed. Also consider only Apple gives real numbers and the other vendor numbers are guesswork at best.
Are we still doing this? Apples numbers are also sell in to channel.
Imagine that, now that all the Android users have replaced their phablets with the 6 Plus, demand for gigantic phones has significantly dropped in favor of smaller sizes. I would love to know if the 5S sold as well or better than the 6 Plus.
Doubtful. Look at the size of the small phones slice. And you can't get more than 32GB of memory on a 5s even it's your preferred form factor, let alone the processor, upgraded cam, built-in ApplePay capability, etc.
NTM, Apple customers tend to be more "forward-leaning," about adopting new technology, know a bit more about the capabilities they're buying, enjoying sporting the latest gear models - and run to the more affluent of phone buyers....
Are we still doing this? Apples numbers are also sell in to channel.
That's true. Apple's numbers are the same as everyone else's numbers... channel shipments.
But unlike other companies... Apple has no problem shifting that inventory to actual customers.
When an Apple product reaches a store... it will find an owner within a day or two. Or it's already got an owner from a pre-order. Apple has thousands of iPhones an hour coming off the assembly line right now that already have an owner. There are very few leftover Apple products.
We've never heard of a store sending unsold Apple products back to Apple... have we?
So it's safe to say that every iPhone shipped is an iPhone sold to a customer.
But the same can't be said for other companies. Remember the billion dollars worth of Playbooks that Blackberry was stuck with? Or all the Surface tablets Microsoft couldn't sell? And didn't Samsung ship a bunch of tablets but the actual number that went home with customers was tragically low?
That's why people are wary whenever they hear these types of reports.
Imagine that, now that all the Android users have replaced their phablets with the 6 Plus, demand for gigantic phones has significantly dropped in favor of smaller sizes. I would love to know if the 5S sold as well or better than the 6 Plus.
Imagine that, now that all the Android users have replaced their phablets with the 6 Plus, demand for gigantic phones has significantly dropped in favor of smaller sizes. I would love to know if the 5S sold as well or better than the 6 Plus.
Doubtful. Look at the size of the small phones slice. And you can't get more than 32GB of memory on a 5s even it's your preferred form factor, let alone the processor, upgraded cam, built-in ApplePay capability, etc.
NTM, Apple customers tend to be more "forward-leaning," about adopting new technology, know a bit more about the capabilities they're buying, enjoying sporting the latest gear models - and run to the more affluent of phone buyers....
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So Flurry is a trustworthy analytics firm? I'm not saying I doubt their figures, I'm just trying to keep straight which analytics firms are considered credible here.
For you it’s simple. If the analytics show Apple in a positive light then they are bogus. If they show Apple doomed they are trustworthy. In this case, of course, Flurry is untrustworthy and a paid shill for Apple. Simple.
So you're saying it is OK for Flurry to install tracking software on my device. Seems a bit unethical to me and perhaps illegal as well. I' m not sure I would consider a firm with that kind of ethics to be credible.
Ok. Fair enough, they use shipments as a basis for market share. That's flawed. Also consider only Apple gives real numbers and the other vendor numbers are guesswork at best.
That's flawed.
Indeed it is. If somebody makes yet another piece of junk Android phone and they ship a million of them to stores, yet they only sell 50,000 of them, what happens to the remaining 950,000?
They get counted towards Android's "amazing" marketshare no doubt.
Indeed it is. If somebody makes yet another piece of junk Android phone and they ship a million of them to stores, yet they only sell 50,000 of them, what happens to the remaining 950,000?
They get counted towards Android's "amazing" marketshare no doubt.
Either that or they get put in a landfill along with old Atari 2600 copies of ET
Either that or they get put in a landfill along with old Atari 2600 copies of ET
At least those old, dug up copies of ET are worth something. Some sold in the four figure range. I can't say the same for any Android phones.
And actually, I had an Atari 2600 back in the day, and a friend of mine had that ET game. I can certainly understand why some people think that it's the worst game ever.
I also had PacMan on the Atari 2600. That was one of my favorite arcade games, and I was so disappointed and mad when I bought the Atari 2600 version. If I recall correctly, I paid nearly $40 for it, and that was decades ago, and today we got these geniuses and extreme cheapskates who whine about 99 cent apps. It was pure garbage, perhaps one of the worst ports ever to have been made in the history of video games. It was nothing like the original.
So you're saying it is OK for Flurry to install tracking software on my device. Seems a bit unethical to me and perhaps illegal as well. I' m not sure I would consider a firm with that kind of ethics to be credible.
Say what? Flurry doesn't install "tracking software" into your phone. App developers include it with their Apps so they can capture data about how the App is being used. Similar to how App developers install crash detection and monitoring software to capture data when Apps crash to help with eliminating bugs.
Lots of App developers use Flurry, and I'm quite sure if there was something going on (like Flurry is recording information about you) that it would have been picked up by now. The source code is available from Flurry for free to anyone who registers.
http://www.flurry.com/legal-privacy/end-user-opt-out
Are we still doing this? Apples numbers are also sell in to channel.
It's still next to impossible to accurately estimate sell through unless they give it. Apples numbers are sales to channel.
Imagine that, now that all the Android users have replaced their phablets with the 6 Plus, demand for gigantic phones has significantly dropped in favor of smaller sizes. I would love to know if the 5S sold as well or better than the 6 Plus.
Doubtful. Look at the size of the small phones slice. And you can't get more than 32GB of memory on a 5s even it's your preferred form factor, let alone the processor, upgraded cam, built-in ApplePay capability, etc.
NTM, Apple customers tend to be more "forward-leaning," about adopting new technology, know a bit more about the capabilities they're buying, enjoying sporting the latest gear models - and run to the more affluent of phone buyers....
That's true. Apple's numbers are the same as everyone else's numbers... channel shipments.
But unlike other companies... Apple has no problem shifting that inventory to actual customers.
When an Apple product reaches a store... it will find an owner within a day or two. Or it's already got an owner from a pre-order. Apple has thousands of iPhones an hour coming off the assembly line right now that already have an owner. There are very few leftover Apple products.
We've never heard of a store sending unsold Apple products back to Apple... have we?
So it's safe to say that every iPhone shipped is an iPhone sold to a customer.
But the same can't be said for other companies. Remember the billion dollars worth of Playbooks that Blackberry was stuck with? Or all the Surface tablets Microsoft couldn't sell? And didn't Samsung ship a bunch of tablets but the actual number that went home with customers was tragically low?
That's why people are wary whenever they hear these types of reports.
Me, too.
I thought he meant the 5s last year.
There's actually only 22.2% missing... but You are right otherwise...
There's actually only 22.2% missing... but You are right otherwise...
I didn't count. I trusted that the post I was quoting was accurate.