May have nothing to do with Chevron being more progressive and everything to do with them having their headquarters in CA. CA is a very liberal state and CA will push their liberal agenda to any big company that wants to do business in the state. (NTTAWWT) Meanwhile Exxon-Mobile headquarters is in Texas.
Could be a precursor to a radical shift in corporate policies for Toyota with their corporate headquarters relocation to Texas.
Oh... Just what we need to use your cell phone, at a pump that creates static electricity. Sounds well thought out.
Does it create static electricity? I use my iPhone all the time during fueling as a way of passing the time whilst the pump is fueling. Do you really think that it would be more of a problem to use Touch ID (or any of the available RFID systems) at the pump before you even choose a grade to pump?
Does this mean Apple Pay-only pumps? I’m sick of having to wait for gas with half the pumps open because they’re all set to “card only” since people are too stupid to actually pay for their fuel.
Oh... Just what we need to use your cell phone, at a pump that creates static electricity. Sounds well thought out.
Does it create static electricity? I use my iPhone all the time during fueling as a way of passing the time whilst the pump is fueling. Do you really think that it would be more of a problem to use Touch ID (or any of the available RFID systems) at the pump before you even choose a grade to pump?
Pumping liquids creates lots of static. It's why tankers need to be grounded when they deliver fuel.
Does it create static electricity? I use my iPhone all the time during fueling as a way of passing the time whilst the pump is fueling. Do you really think that it would be more of a problem to use Touch ID (or any of the available RFID systems) at the pump before you even choose a grade to pump?
I'm guessing neither you, nor [@]Limegrntaln[/@] live where the weather gets cold in the winter. I get shocks at the gas pump all the time during winter, and have yet to blow up.
I'm guessing neither you, nor [@]Limegrntaln[/@] live where the weather gets cold in the winter. I get shocks at the gas pump all the time during winter, and have yet to blow up.
Not really. More than a few days a year you need more than a t-shirt on, but no snow. The air is dry but I can't recall being shocked at the pump. I'll look for it next time.
Either way, I'm not into it. And I have a 6 plus. Just not safe around fuel vapors. I pumped fuel into f-16s for over a decade and you ground the truck to the ground and the jet and the jet to the ground, itself. 3 way ground. It's just dangerous, to me. Most places even have signs at the pump that tell you not to use cell phones at the pump. And I shake my head when I see people pumping gas and talking on the phone, at the same time.
Either way, I'm not into it. And I have a 6 plus. Just not safe around fuel vapors. I pumped fuel into f-16s for over a decade and you ground the truck to the ground and the jet and the jet to the ground, itself. 3 way ground. It's just dangerous, to me. Most places even have signs at the pump that tell you not to use cell phones at the pump. And I shake my head when I see people pumping gas and talking on the phone, at the same time.
Why don't RFID, sliding a magnetically read card, or anything else we do at and around the pump not a problem compared to NFC at the pump?
I'm guessing neither you, nor @Limegrntaln live where the weather gets cold in the winter. I get shocks at the gas pump all the time during winter, and have yet to blow up.
In cold weather, there's a lot less fuel vapor in the air. The warmer it is, the more readily gasoline vaporizes. Thus it's a lot harder to get combustion from just a static discharge. What causes more staic discharge in cold/dry weather is people getting back into their car, to get out of the cold, when the gas is being pumped. Depending on the material of their clothing and the material of their car seats, a large static charge can build up when sliding in and out of the car. Thus a potential for a static discarge when one reaches for the nozzle at the end of fueling.
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Why don't RFID, sliding a magnetically read card, or anything else we do at and around the pump not a problem compared to NFC at the pump?
Because there's not enough concentration of fuel vapor at where the readers are. On the otherhand, a person can have a cell phone right by the mouth of the gas tank and fuel nozzle while gas is being pumped, where the concentration is the highest. (Not that that's where they're using ApplePay, but there's a good chance that they are still holdng on to their iPhone if they did.) But even then, it's very, very tough to get combustion from a static discharge because the concentration of fuel vapor and air has to be just right. Once fuel vapor is exposed to the open air, the concentration drops off considerablly. I think you have a better chance of starting a fire with two rocks and a pile of dry leaves, than to get combustion from the static discharge generated by a cell phone, while pumping gas.
I'm guessing neither you, nor [@]Limegrntaln[/@] live where the weather gets cold in the winter. I get shocks at the gas pump all the time during winter, and have yet to blow up.
Not really. More than a few days a year you need more than a t-shirt on, but no snow. The air is dry but I can't recall being shocked at the pump. I'll look for it next time.
I often will sit down while the tank is filling. That's a habit I'll definitely be changing moving forward.
Go ahead and get back in the car if you want to., all you have to do is touch something to ground yourself and discharge the static before you grab the gas nozzle.
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Could be a precursor to a radical shift in corporate policies for Toyota with their corporate headquarters relocation to Texas.
I think they have some kind of exclusive with American Express.
Oh... Just what we need to use your cell phone, at a pump that creates static electricity. Sounds well thought out.
If you don't bother thinking it out at all and just reduce it to the barest definition, then of course it won't seem well thought out.
Does it create static electricity? I use my iPhone all the time during fueling as a way of passing the time whilst the pump is fueling. Do you really think that it would be more of a problem to use Touch ID (or any of the available RFID systems) at the pump before you even choose a grade to pump?
Does this mean Apple Pay-only pumps? I’m sick of having to wait for gas with half the pumps open because they’re all set to “card only” since people are too stupid to actually pay for their fuel.
I'm guessing neither you, nor [@]Limegrntaln[/@] live where the weather gets cold in the winter. I get shocks at the gas pump all the time during winter, and have yet to blow up.
How would this make ?Pay unsafe compared to the current RFID and card swipe options available?
Not really. More than a few days a year you need more than a t-shirt on, but no snow. The air is dry but I can't recall being shocked at the pump. I'll look for it next time.
Why don't RFID, sliding a magnetically read card, or anything else we do at and around the pump not a problem compared to NFC at the pump?
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I'm guessing neither you, nor @Limegrntaln live where the weather gets cold in the winter. I get shocks at the gas pump all the time during winter, and have yet to blow up.
In cold weather, there's a lot less fuel vapor in the air. The warmer it is, the more readily gasoline vaporizes. Thus it's a lot harder to get combustion from just a static discharge. What causes more staic discharge in cold/dry weather is people getting back into their car, to get out of the cold, when the gas is being pumped. Depending on the material of their clothing and the material of their car seats, a large static charge can build up when sliding in and out of the car. Thus a potential for a static discarge when one reaches for the nozzle at the end of fueling.
Why don't RFID, sliding a magnetically read card, or anything else we do at and around the pump not a problem compared to NFC at the pump?
Because there's not enough concentration of fuel vapor at where the readers are. On the otherhand, a person can have a cell phone right by the mouth of the gas tank and fuel nozzle while gas is being pumped, where the concentration is the highest. (Not that that's where they're using ApplePay, but there's a good chance that they are still holdng on to their iPhone if they did.) But even then, it's very, very tough to get combustion from a static discharge because the concentration of fuel vapor and air has to be just right. Once fuel vapor is exposed to the open air, the concentration drops off considerablly. I think you have a better chance of starting a fire with two rocks and a pile of dry leaves, than to get combustion from the static discharge generated by a cell phone, while pumping gas.
I often will sit down while the tank is filling. That's a habit I'll definitely be changing moving forward.
I often will sit down while the tank is filling. That's a habit I'll definitely be changing moving forward.
Go ahead and get back in the car if you want to., all you have to do is touch something to ground yourself and discharge the static before you grab the gas nozzle.