I wonder if part of the issue is the volume/profit potential is not that great.
Selling dumb glass is mostly a losing or low margin proposition, even for veterans in panel manufacturing.
What percentage of Apple devices sold already have a display built in (MacBooks and iMacs) vs no display (Mac Mini and Mac Pro)? 80%? More? I'm sure even if the Mac Mini and Mac Pro went away, it would barely calculate on a income statement (though PR would be much more negative).
Perhaps the value proposition, given the sell costs and margins in the display marketplace, is not very compelling anymore for a company as large as Apple, and as a company that has to buy someone elses' glass. Not to say they won't eventually do something, but there is no rush and no impact to their performance as a company.
Now if they integrated some gesture or touch controls, HDR, 10-16 bit color, or virtual 3D, into their displays, that would make them much more compelling (in theory!), and drive more panel business to them upon introduction. Apple has always said they don't like to introduce products unless them make a difference in the marketplace...while there's some hype in that high tower claim, its much more true than not. Perhaps they haven't figured out ways to make it compelling enough from their POV.
That's what I was afraid of. Looking at that article, I instantly knew I have to sit down for this, in darkness and without any possible interruptions, in order to grasp the material here. So, thanks for blocking my Tuesday morning!
My main take from the first link was that I was please see a University in NC was doing this research and didn't just print, 'God decides what we see'.
Aha, thanks for explaining. Yup, with all new tech, it certainly does take its time for prices to come down for the average consumer. We all should love early adaptors, as they make these prices go down.
I have never seen a 10bit monitor, and even though people articles tell me things look 'awesome' I wonder if we are really able to differentiate between an 8bit and a 10bit monitor. Wiki tells me: " The human eye can discriminate up to ten million colors" Of course, putting these side by side they probably won't be build with the same tech but differ in many other aspects apart from 8- or 10bit.
Anyone here who has seen what images on a 10 bit monitor looks like?
Thunderbolt 2 isn't compatible with DisplayPort 1.3. So we have to wait for Thunderbolt 3 - which Intel hasn't released yet.
I guess this is the problem with combining 2 different standards, PCIe and DisplayPort into the same connector, with both standards evolving separately of one another.
BTW, will Thunderbolt 3 continue to use the same connector or will that change also?
Not much. Everyone else basically relies on Intel too. If Intel ships a given CPU architecture late (e.g., Broadwell), it affects all of their partners, not just Apple.
My guess is that Apple has a handful of prototype machines running AMD CPUs in a lab, probably some Macs running their own ARM-based Ax CPUs.
My thoughts exactly - or even Apple's own foundry solutions.
Right? But all that money spent on Beats??? And let's not mention the iWatch.
Exactly - Failure 1 and Failure 2 are Mr Cook's most recent mistakes - not to mention the iPhone 5C and the iPad Mini, which as I'd predicted are going the way of the Dodo in no time.
It angers me that Apple doesn't make their monitors with multiple inputs like every other monitor manufacturer. Until this changes I will never buy another Apple monitor. I have multiple computers on my desk, both mac and PCs and they all need to share the same monitors.
Anger? Really? If you need more than one input then clearly you just need to look at different monitors. It doesn't anger me that other companies don't make displays like the Thunderbolt Display where I can hook up two cables to my MacBook Pro and have everything work.
And honestly, I don't think Apple would hold anything against you for not buying their display. They clearly have designed their machines to work with more than just their own displays -- my MacBook and my Mac mini both have HDMI connectors in addition to Thunderbolt. Just buy what you need and save the anger for something else.
The only complaint I have about my Apple 27" is that there is no sleep button for the monitor like the one on my Apple 20".
I just had to look on my work 24" Cinema Display -- I had never really noticed the sleep button on it or missed having one on my 27" at home. Both displays sleep when the machine sleeps, so no big deal to me. I have the machine setup to sleep after a reasonable amount of time and I can always go choose Sleep from the Apple menu if I really wanted to.
It's much easier reading up and down than left and right. That's why newspaper columns are narrow. It's why music staves are on top of each other, rather than on separate pages.
Maybe that's why certain Apple applications in Yosemite such as Migration Assistant, Script Editor, TextEdit keep opening at the bottom left corner of the screen no matter how many times I try to reset the default window position or delete preferences? " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
The only complaint I have about my Apple 27" is that there is no sleep button for the monitor like the one on my Apple 20".
The power button should perhaps also be capacitive so that just touching it and letting go puts the display to sleep and pressing it puts the machine to sleep.
Since I thought it would be a while still until Apple came out with a standalone display equivalent to the iMac Retina, I broke down and bought a LG 31MU97-B display - 4096x2160, uses displayPort 1.2. I can get the full resolution at 50Hz from my late 2013 Macbook Pro - I use it for both photography and development.
Although I'd prefer a 4:3 display, the wide aspect of this monitor I've gotten used to as being a lot like two side by side displays. The extra resolution is fantastic.
It's a bit expensive but about $1k less than the Sharp, with better resolution.
Aha, thanks for explaining. Yup, with all new tech, it certainly does take its time for prices to come down for the average consumer. We all should love early adaptors, as they make these prices go down.
I have never seen a 10bit monitor, and even though people articles tell me things look 'awesome' I wonder if we are really able to differentiate between an 8bit and a 10bit monitor. Wiki tells me: " The human eye can discriminate up to ten million colors" Of course, putting these side by side they probably won't be build with the same tech but differ in many other aspects apart from 8- or 10bit.
Anyone here who has seen what images on a 10 bit monitor looks like?
Thanks. Yeah, I've seen those, but at $30,000 I think I first want to hear people's experience with these, see if they can tell the difference between 8 and 10 bit.
Looking at the case studies, many use Macs, so they don't have a 10 bit monitor, so no review. I'll take a look at Lloyd Chambers, the photo/Mac/bike guy.
Anger? Really? If you need more than one input then clearly you just need to look at different monitors. It doesn't anger me that other companies don't make displays like the Thunderbolt Display where I can hook up two cables to my MacBook Pro and have everything work.
And honestly, I don't think Apple would hold anything against you for not buying their display. They clearly have designed their machines to work with more than just their own displays -- my MacBook and my Mac mini both have HDMI connectors in addition to Thunderbolt. Just buy what you need and save the anger for something else.
What horrible reply. Don't tell me what to do. What kind of person goes around wagging their finger at total strangers and tells them how to feel about insignificant tech matters? I'll be angry at whatever I choose.
What horrible reply. Don't tell me what to do. What kind of person goes around wagging their finger at total strangers and tells them how to feel about insignificant tech matters? I'll be angry at whatever I choose.
He hasn't denied your right it be angry at foolish things, he just pointed out how silly it is. Are you saying he shouldn't be allowed to note the absurd?
What horrible reply. Don't tell me what to do. What kind of person goes around wagging their finger at total strangers and tells them how to feel about insignificant tech matters? I'll be angry at whatever I choose.
You can certainly feel anger at whatever you choose, but personally, I feel there are enough things that actually deserve my anger than for me to start finding new things to be angry about. Did Apple make a promise to have a monitor with more than one input? If so, I might be angry if they decided to break that promise -- especially if I had been making plans based on that promise. But since they never made such a promise, I can only really be disappointed about them not having such a device and then choose a different device that does meet my needs.
This will be the one to have if you are doing serious high dollar film/tv work. It displays full DCI 4K not that silly UHD format. It won't be out until June probably and will come in under $5k. I have used Eizo monitors in post production and they perform as claimed. Their calibration and setup features are exactly what pros expect and need. When HD was new monitors with full calibration features cost $30k+ - it's interesting to see how rapidly things change.
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I wonder if part of the issue is the volume/profit potential is not that great.
Selling dumb glass is mostly a losing or low margin proposition, even for veterans in panel manufacturing.
What percentage of Apple devices sold already have a display built in (MacBooks and iMacs) vs no display (Mac Mini and Mac Pro)? 80%? More? I'm sure even if the Mac Mini and Mac Pro went away, it would barely calculate on a income statement (though PR would be much more negative).
Perhaps the value proposition, given the sell costs and margins in the display marketplace, is not very compelling anymore for a company as large as Apple, and as a company that has to buy someone elses' glass. Not to say they won't eventually do something, but there is no rush and no impact to their performance as a company.
Now if they integrated some gesture or touch controls, HDR, 10-16 bit color, or virtual 3D, into their displays, that would make them much more compelling (in theory!), and drive more panel business to them upon introduction. Apple has always said they don't like to introduce products unless them make a difference in the marketplace...while there's some hype in that high tower claim, its much more true than not. Perhaps they haven't figured out ways to make it compelling enough from their POV.
LOL ... I also love the work done by these guys ... http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/cameras-vs-human-eye.htm
My main take from the first link was that I was please see a University in NC was doing this research and didn't just print, 'God decides what we see'.
Think the medical industry:
http://www.eizoglobal.com/products/radiforce/
Thunderbolt 2 isn't compatible with DisplayPort 1.3. So we have to wait for Thunderbolt 3 - which Intel hasn't released yet.
I guess this is the problem with combining 2 different standards, PCIe and DisplayPort into the same connector, with both standards evolving separately of one another.
BTW, will Thunderbolt 3 continue to use the same connector or will that change also?
Not much. Everyone else basically relies on Intel too. If Intel ships a given CPU architecture late (e.g., Broadwell), it affects all of their partners, not just Apple.
My guess is that Apple has a handful of prototype machines running AMD CPUs in a lab, probably some Macs running their own ARM-based Ax CPUs.
My thoughts exactly - or even Apple's own foundry solutions.
Right? But all that money spent on Beats??? And let's not mention the iWatch.
Exactly - Failure 1 and Failure 2 are Mr Cook's most recent mistakes - not to mention the iPhone 5C and the iPad Mini, which as I'd predicted are going the way of the Dodo in no time.
It angers me that Apple doesn't make their monitors with multiple inputs like every other monitor manufacturer. Until this changes I will never buy another Apple monitor. I have multiple computers on my desk, both mac and PCs and they all need to share the same monitors.
Anger? Really? If you need more than one input then clearly you just need to look at different monitors. It doesn't anger me that other companies don't make displays like the Thunderbolt Display where I can hook up two cables to my MacBook Pro and have everything work.
And honestly, I don't think Apple would hold anything against you for not buying their display. They clearly have designed their machines to work with more than just their own displays -- my MacBook and my Mac mini both have HDMI connectors in addition to Thunderbolt. Just buy what you need and save the anger for something else.
The only complaint I have about my Apple 27" is that there is no sleep button for the monitor like the one on my Apple 20".
I just had to look on my work 24" Cinema Display -- I had never really noticed the sleep button on it or missed having one on my 27" at home. Both displays sleep when the machine sleeps, so no big deal to me. I have the machine setup to sleep after a reasonable amount of time and I can always go choose Sleep from the Apple menu if I really wanted to.
You're 90 degrees out.
It's much easier reading up and down than left and right. That's why newspaper columns are narrow. It's why music staves are on top of each other, rather than on separate pages.
Maybe that's why certain Apple applications in Yosemite such as Migration Assistant, Script Editor, TextEdit keep opening at the bottom left corner of the screen no matter how many times I try to reset the default window position or delete preferences?
You only mentioned one monitor with thunderbolt technology.
Should have pointed out, LGs 34UM94-P or 34UM95-P .. both with Dual Thunderbolt 2, 3 USB 3.0 ports, HDMI, and Display ports.
Yeah, brillant monitor. I wonder if I can run 2 at the same time.
I'm a big fan of the 21:9 displays.
I'd, personally, like to see a curved display
LG 34UC97
The power button should perhaps also be capacitive so that just touching it and letting go puts the display to sleep and pressing it puts the machine to sleep.
I' d recommend look at the BenQ BL3201PH 32" IPS LED 4K Monitor with 32-Inch.
Its a 4k , 10 bit, and can be had for $899 from Amazon when its in stock.
Although I'd prefer a 4:3 display, the wide aspect of this monitor I've gotten used to as being a lot like two side by side displays. The extra resolution is fantastic.
It's a bit expensive but about $1k less than the Sharp, with better resolution.
God question!
Thanks. Yeah, I've seen those, but at $30,000 I think I first want to hear people's experience with these, see if they can tell the difference between 8 and 10 bit.
Looking at the case studies, many use Macs, so they don't have a 10 bit monitor, so no review. I'll take a look at Lloyd Chambers, the photo/Mac/bike guy.
That's what I would spectrelate.
Anger? Really? If you need more than one input then clearly you just need to look at different monitors. It doesn't anger me that other companies don't make displays like the Thunderbolt Display where I can hook up two cables to my MacBook Pro and have everything work.
And honestly, I don't think Apple would hold anything against you for not buying their display. They clearly have designed their machines to work with more than just their own displays -- my MacBook and my Mac mini both have HDMI connectors in addition to Thunderbolt. Just buy what you need and save the anger for something else.
What horrible reply. Don't tell me what to do. What kind of person goes around wagging their finger at total strangers and tells them how to feel about insignificant tech matters? I'll be angry at whatever I choose.
He hasn't denied your right it be angry at foolish things, he just pointed out how silly it is. Are you saying he shouldn't be allowed to note the absurd?
What horrible reply. Don't tell me what to do. What kind of person goes around wagging their finger at total strangers and tells them how to feel about insignificant tech matters? I'll be angry at whatever I choose.
You can certainly feel anger at whatever you choose, but personally, I feel there are enough things that actually deserve my anger than for me to start finding new things to be angry about. Did Apple make a promise to have a monitor with more than one input? If so, I might be angry if they decided to break that promise -- especially if I had been making plans based on that promise. But since they never made such a promise, I can only really be disappointed about them not having such a device and then choose a different device that does meet my needs.
Some have mentioned Eizo without pointing to this monitor: http://www.eizoglobal.com/products/coloredge/cg318-4k/index.html
This will be the one to have if you are doing serious high dollar film/tv work. It displays full DCI 4K not that silly UHD format. It won't be out until June probably and will come in under $5k. I have used Eizo monitors in post production and they perform as claimed. Their calibration and setup features are exactly what pros expect and need. When HD was new monitors with full calibration features cost $30k+ - it's interesting to see how rapidly things change.