I've said it before as have countless others that Apple really needs to separate OS Software releases from the hardware they run on. Persistent quality issues have plagued Apple recently and scaling back on yearly updates would give Apple the time needed to squash out most of these bugs that we've been seeing. Obviously not ALL bugs and such will be found in testing but giving the designers extra time to figure out these bugs would quash most imo.
Marco Arment was exactly right. Apple has lost the functional high-ground.
I wish Apple would declare another "no new feature" release like Snow Leopard. Take a year to squash out all the bugs in the existing version of OS X and iOS 8. iOS 8.1.2 has been really buggy with iCloud syncing. Documents don't update in the background anymore. Random crashes in Safari, even crashing the whole iPad. Yosemite wifi is inconsistent, jerky animation (on my 2012 Mac Mini), etc. Come on Apple, I know you are better than this.
And yet, people forget how buggy the early versions of Snow Leopard were. Recall the infamous bug that would wipe out user data after logging into a guest account, and it broke compatibility with a lot of applications as well.
Yeah, it was touted as a "no new features" release (a misnomer because Snow Leopard DID introduce several new features, most notably Exchange integration and Quick Time X). But, it was also a comprehensive under-the-hood retooling of the OS that took many iterations over the next year and a half before it became the rock solid 10.6.8 version that people now hold up as some gold standard of stability (and I still use on a daily basis on my iMac). iOS 8 similarly makes broad changes to the parts of the OS that the user doesn't see.
The final verdict on iOS 8 won't come down until we see the final EOL version. I would guess that a lot of the people begging to go back to iOS 7.1.2 were the same one complaining to no end when iOS 7.0 was released.
FWIW, I thought that the early versions iOS 7 were far less stable than any iOS 8 versions I've used. Of course, iOS 7 was a case where the biggest under-the-hood changes affected 64-bit devices, and those devices ran a lot less reliably until later versions.
Fast forward to iOS 9 -- we'll get the same litany of complaints about lagging, battery life, crashing, networking, etc. And whatever version of iOS 8 is current at the time will be lionized as a model of speed and stability. Some people should just wait until the new version of iOS is announced before they make the upgrade to the current version.
I wish Apple would declare another "no new feature" release like Snow Leopard. Take a year to squash out all the bugs in the existing version of OS X and iOS 8. iOS 8.1.2 has been really buggy with iCloud syncing. Documents don't update in the background anymore. Random crashes in Safari, even crashing the whole iPad. Yosemite wifi is inconsistent, jerky animation (on my 2012 Mac Mini), etc. Come on Apple, I know you are better than this.
And yet, people forget how buggy the early versions of Snow Leopard were. Recall the infamous bug that would wipe out user data after logging into a guest account, and it broke compatibility with a lot of applications as well.
Yeah, it was touted as a "no new features" release (a misnomer because Snow Leopard DID introduce several new features, most notably Exchange integration and Quick Time X). But, it was also a comprehensive under-the-hood retooling of the OS that took many iterations over the next year and a half before it became the rock solid 10.6.8 version that people now hold up as some gold standard of stability (and I still use on a daily basis on my iMac). iOS 8 similarly makes broad changes to the parts of the OS that the user doesn't see.
The final verdict on iOS 8 won't come down until we see the final EOL version. I would guess that a lot of the people begging to go back to iOS 7.1.2 were the same one complaining to no end when iOS 7.0 was released.
FWIW, I thought that the early versions iOS 7 were far less stable than any iOS 8 versions I've used. Of course, iOS 7 was a case where the biggest under-the-hood changes affected 64-bit devices, and those devices ran a lot less reliably until later versions.
Fast forward to iOS 9 -- we'll get the same litany of complaints about lagging, battery life, crashing, networking, etc. And whatever version of iOS 8 is current at the time will be lionized as a model of speed and stability. Some people should just wait until the new version of iOS is announced before they make the upgrade to the current version.
I couldn't disagree more.
I never had my devices randomly rebooting in iOS 7. It happens daily in iOS 8.
I don't want any new features in iOS 9. I just want every bug fixed.
If only Steve Jobs were here, he would have ensured that the software didn't drop below a certain level, and I think Scott had a major part to play in that, too.
The new, touchy-feely, friendly, open Apple needs to go backwards and become more like its old, aloof, untouchable self, out of respect for the glorious magic that Jobs made.
I never had my devices randomly rebooting in iOS 7. It happens daily in iOS 8.
My experience has been the exact opposite (I assume that you're not using an iPhone 5s). Resprings and reboots on a regular basis until iOS 7.0.4.
Been on iOS 8 from day one, and only had the first random reboot two weeks ago. That's one instance in nearly four months of daily usage. And since iOS 8.0.2, the stability and performance have been at least on par with 7.1.2.
As I indicated, iOS 7 had a major under-the-hood retooling because of the 64-bit transition that did not affect 32-bit devices. With iOS 8, the changes affect all devices and are far reaching.
Or IOS 4... The "bricker", he needs to read about that one.
IOS 8 introduced a massive number of under the hood changes, many of whom the develloppers have not started using yet. It is probably the biggest update cycle IOS has ever had. And, it seems they underestimated the size of the task. Software projects in new areas are notoriously hard to assess.
It is probable that testing by internal QA wasn't extensive enough considering the extreme number of changes. Also, when you got that many changes it becomes harder to assess their interaction.
The problem is that the competitive landscape doesn't allow them to stagger the release of the framework they integrated in IOS. They had to launch Continuity, Applepay, Homekit, Healthkit, Watchkit and bigger devices this year.
Comparing this to previous releases is desingenious considering its size; none but the initial release of IOS compares in scope (and they got plenty of time to polish that one).
iOS 4 is what forced me to upgrade my original 3G to a 4. Apple should have never made that one available to 3G devices. Unfortunately iOS 8 is pretty much doing the same to my iPad2. The last patch helped but its still pretty slow. Put me in the group of people who would be happy with iOS9 being nothing more than a refactored version of iOS 8.
Also need multiple view settings in iOS. Only two for the iPHone 6 Plus: regular and zoom. There should be a list view for apps.
Also, be able to move screens around, hold and press and move. I currently have a screen for types of apps: reading, cloud, camera, art, education, games. Very manual to manage these apps, in particular if you get a new phone or may need to flatten and reload.
Gave up on search working and refuse to reboot to get it to work again.
iCloud photos is a FAIL (I know, not iOS specific). MS OneDrive is awesome. SIMPLE. WORKS. And lots of free storage (promo).
Also, got a new phone today (6+) and apps are not downloading. Says it can't download about 50 times and have to hit "reload".
No way to archive abandonware apps. No way to archive apps you don't want anymore.
Need to allow customizing the quick access settings (for wifi and all of that) - don't recall the name of this feature.
Need to allow more apps per screen: I'd like 50 apps per screen. Allow the reduction of space between apps.
Of course, back in the day, Steve Jobs wanted to create an iconic look that people would not forget, so only one color for phone, etc. Keep it simple until people would know the iconic view of the iPhones/iOS/iPad. But everyone knows Apple iOS now. In fact, there must be 100 iWatch combinations coming out of the gate!
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I've said it before as have countless others that Apple really needs to separate OS Software releases from the hardware they run on. Persistent quality issues have plagued Apple recently and scaling back on yearly updates would give Apple the time needed to squash out most of these bugs that we've been seeing. Obviously not ALL bugs and such will be found in testing but giving the designers extra time to figure out these bugs would quash most imo.
Marco Arment was exactly right. Apple has lost the functional high-ground.
I wish Apple would declare another "no new feature" release like Snow Leopard. Take a year to squash out all the bugs in the existing version of OS X and iOS 8. iOS 8.1.2 has been really buggy with iCloud syncing. Documents don't update in the background anymore. Random crashes in Safari, even crashing the whole iPad. Yosemite wifi is inconsistent, jerky animation (on my 2012 Mac Mini), etc. Come on Apple, I know you are better than this.
And yet, people forget how buggy the early versions of Snow Leopard were. Recall the infamous bug that would wipe out user data after logging into a guest account, and it broke compatibility with a lot of applications as well.
Yeah, it was touted as a "no new features" release (a misnomer because Snow Leopard DID introduce several new features, most notably Exchange integration and Quick Time X). But, it was also a comprehensive under-the-hood retooling of the OS that took many iterations over the next year and a half before it became the rock solid 10.6.8 version that people now hold up as some gold standard of stability (and I still use on a daily basis on my iMac). iOS 8 similarly makes broad changes to the parts of the OS that the user doesn't see.
The final verdict on iOS 8 won't come down until we see the final EOL version. I would guess that a lot of the people begging to go back to iOS 7.1.2 were the same one complaining to no end when iOS 7.0 was released.
FWIW, I thought that the early versions iOS 7 were far less stable than any iOS 8 versions I've used. Of course, iOS 7 was a case where the biggest under-the-hood changes affected 64-bit devices, and those devices ran a lot less reliably until later versions.
Fast forward to iOS 9 -- we'll get the same litany of complaints about lagging, battery life, crashing, networking, etc. And whatever version of iOS 8 is current at the time will be lionized as a model of speed and stability. Some people should just wait until the new version of iOS is announced before they make the upgrade to the current version.
I wish Apple would declare another "no new feature" release like Snow Leopard. Take a year to squash out all the bugs in the existing version of OS X and iOS 8. iOS 8.1.2 has been really buggy with iCloud syncing. Documents don't update in the background anymore. Random crashes in Safari, even crashing the whole iPad. Yosemite wifi is inconsistent, jerky animation (on my 2012 Mac Mini), etc. Come on Apple, I know you are better than this.
And yet, people forget how buggy the early versions of Snow Leopard were. Recall the infamous bug that would wipe out user data after logging into a guest account, and it broke compatibility with a lot of applications as well.
Yeah, it was touted as a "no new features" release (a misnomer because Snow Leopard DID introduce several new features, most notably Exchange integration and Quick Time X). But, it was also a comprehensive under-the-hood retooling of the OS that took many iterations over the next year and a half before it became the rock solid 10.6.8 version that people now hold up as some gold standard of stability (and I still use on a daily basis on my iMac). iOS 8 similarly makes broad changes to the parts of the OS that the user doesn't see.
The final verdict on iOS 8 won't come down until we see the final EOL version. I would guess that a lot of the people begging to go back to iOS 7.1.2 were the same one complaining to no end when iOS 7.0 was released.
FWIW, I thought that the early versions iOS 7 were far less stable than any iOS 8 versions I've used. Of course, iOS 7 was a case where the biggest under-the-hood changes affected 64-bit devices, and those devices ran a lot less reliably until later versions.
Fast forward to iOS 9 -- we'll get the same litany of complaints about lagging, battery life, crashing, networking, etc. And whatever version of iOS 8 is current at the time will be lionized as a model of speed and stability. Some people should just wait until the new version of iOS is announced before they make the upgrade to the current version.
I couldn't disagree more.
I never had my devices randomly rebooting in iOS 7. It happens daily in iOS 8.
Yep; this dead horse needs flogging.
I don't want any new features in iOS 9. I just want every bug fixed.
If only Steve Jobs were here, he would have ensured that the software didn't drop below a certain level, and I think Scott had a major part to play in that, too.
The new, touchy-feely, friendly, open Apple needs to go backwards and become more like its old, aloof, untouchable self, out of respect for the glorious magic that Jobs made.
I couldn't disagree more.
I never had my devices randomly rebooting in iOS 7. It happens daily in iOS 8.
My experience has been the exact opposite (I assume that you're not using an iPhone 5s). Resprings and reboots on a regular basis until iOS 7.0.4.
Been on iOS 8 from day one, and only had the first random reboot two weeks ago. That's one instance in nearly four months of daily usage. And since iOS 8.0.2, the stability and performance have been at least on par with 7.1.2.
As I indicated, iOS 7 had a major under-the-hood retooling because of the 64-bit transition that did not affect 32-bit devices. With iOS 8, the changes affect all devices and are far reaching.
You obviously never used iOS 2.0
Or IOS 4... The "bricker", he needs to read about that one.
IOS 8 introduced a massive number of under the hood changes, many of whom the develloppers have not started using yet. It is probably the biggest update cycle IOS has ever had. And, it seems they underestimated the size of the task. Software projects in new areas are notoriously hard to assess.
It is probable that testing by internal QA wasn't extensive enough considering the extreme number of changes. Also, when you got that many changes it becomes harder to assess their interaction.
The problem is that the competitive landscape doesn't allow them to stagger the release of the framework they integrated in IOS. They had to launch Continuity, Applepay, Homekit, Healthkit, Watchkit and bigger devices this year.
Comparing this to previous releases is desingenious considering its size; none but the initial release of IOS compares in scope (and they got plenty of time to polish that one).
iOS 4 is what forced me to upgrade my original 3G to a 4. Apple should have never made that one available to 3G devices. Unfortunately iOS 8 is pretty much doing the same to my iPad2. The last patch helped but its still pretty slow. Put me in the group of people who would be happy with iOS9 being nothing more than a refactored version of iOS 8.
Also need multiple view settings in iOS. Only two for the iPHone 6 Plus: regular and zoom. There should be a list view for apps.
Also, be able to move screens around, hold and press and move. I currently have a screen for types of apps: reading, cloud, camera, art, education, games. Very manual to manage these apps, in particular if you get a new phone or may need to flatten and reload.
Gave up on search working and refuse to reboot to get it to work again.
iCloud photos is a FAIL (I know, not iOS specific). MS OneDrive is awesome. SIMPLE. WORKS. And lots of free storage (promo).
Also, got a new phone today (6+) and apps are not downloading. Says it can't download about 50 times and have to hit "reload".
No way to archive abandonware apps. No way to archive apps you don't want anymore.
Need to allow customizing the quick access settings (for wifi and all of that) - don't recall the name of this feature.
Need to allow more apps per screen: I'd like 50 apps per screen. Allow the reduction of space between apps.
Of course, back in the day, Steve Jobs wanted to create an iconic look that people would not forget, so only one color for phone, etc. Keep it simple until people would know the iconic view of the iPhones/iOS/iPad. But everyone knows Apple iOS now. In fact, there must be 100 iWatch combinations coming out of the gate!
Nice video with many interesting concepts are present in it..
IOS 9.0 version is more stable , more effeciency and more bettery life!!
I hope it will nice to use it.