Though Apple's iPad sales shrank, Amazon's Kindle Fire took 70% nosedive last quarter

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  • Reply 21 of 57
    fallenjtfallenjt Posts: 4,053member
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    Originally Posted by DaveN View Post





    My laptop took a dive about a year ago. I already had an iPad so I switched to that for email, web browsing, and writing. I was going to get a laptop to replace my iffy laptop but ended up buying a refurbished mini mac instead and hooked it up to my TV. At this point, I don't know if I'll ever get a new laptop. However, I'm retired so my wants are different then the wants of many other people.

    Same here. Beside laptop from work, I don't see any use of laptop for me. I have my Mac Mini at home for everything that needs desktop level capability. For everything else, my iPad serves my needs. In fact, iPad is used at least 4-5 hours everyday in my house. It's a workhorse. 

  • Reply 22 of 57
    davendaven Posts: 696member
    That got me thinking. Because most of my use is lightweight, if Apple would open up the AppleTV to applications and allow NAS, I'd probably be happy with that. That said, such a system just might take out too much profit out of the industry and I'm not sure that people would accept the performance hit.
  • Reply 23 of 57
    agreed with macapfel that other than size, I really dont see much of a reason to upgrade; so the cycle for upgrades is probably longer. I have an ipad air and mini ipad but I still use my ipad 1 for watching TV shows on a stand or on my exercise treadmill. The issue with the kindle is really the interface that sucks in compare to iOS
  • Reply 24 of 57
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,926member
    knowitall wrote: »
    21million iPads in 4 months, that's an whole lot.
    It's also 5 times the Mac sales (including laptops), that's incredible..
    Apple would have be stunned to hear this number in 2010.

    If Apple makes a non restricted full blown iPad, A4 sized (or even 13 inch) it's success will be of the scale.

    It's 3 months in a qtr.

    If accurate, that's a shame for Amazon and Sammy. Of course were their numbers really that high last year? Only Amazon and Sammy can settle this but they choose not to which says a lot.
  • Reply 25 of 57
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
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    Originally Posted by paxman View Post

     

    Much as I enjoy my iPad I have come around to the fact that I am definitely a laptop kind of person. iPhone and laptop. Call me old fashioned.




    And I guess that I'm not a laptop kind of person, because I haven't bought a new one in many years, and I don't really have any plans to buy one anytime soon either. In that same period though, I've bought a bunch of iPads.

  • Reply 26 of 57
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    You are using old definitions.  

     

    iPad/iPhone are basically the same device with different features.  I know many people who opted for a 6+ instead of a mini.  

     

    The size difference between the 6+ and mini is not that great.  When the 12 inch iPad comes out the size difference between that and the mini will be about the same as the 6+ and mini.

     

    On the contrary, lumping everything into an iOS bucket hides an important distinction: phones and non-phones. And that distinction, were is shown, also clearly splits along the lines of physical scale. The iPad mini is 250% the size of the iPhone 6+, and 400% the size of an iPhone 5. Tablets do *not* have the same usage model and, in the case of iPhones and iPads, are *way* different in size. Seriously, take an iPad mini and put it next to an iPhone 6+ and you'll see. Not only that, try to use the mini as a phone. The iPhone 6+ isn't a small tablet, it's a modern sized phone. You are both redefining tablet into the phone space and burying it under an iOS umbrella. Sure, iOS numbers look that way, but that's not the issue. The issue is with the category of tablets specifically. If you *really* want to do the charts with the iPhone 6+ in the tablet category, then move the iPhone 6 revenues into the phone category when you run your numbers.

    EDIT
    Also, isn't not the relative size that matters (6+ to mini, mini to Pro), it's the *usable* *absolute* size that matters. This isn't academic, it's practical.
  • Reply 27 of 57
    pazuzupazuzu Posts: 1,728member
    Remember, this is IDC we're talking about. Don't expect accuracy

    Exactly what does IDC base its numbers on if Amazon is not disclosing? There aren't stores to track shipments - it all direct.
  • Reply 28 of 57
    pazuzupazuzu Posts: 1,728member
    paxman wrote: »
    Much as I enjoy my iPad I have come around to the fact that I am definitely a laptop kind of person. iPhone and laptop. Call me old fashioned.

    That's not old fashioned at all. I only use my iPad these days when sitting upon my throne. Just sayin.
    My 13" RMBP has even replaced my iMac as my go to device- it's just that excellent. Boots up in a snap and a real please to type, browse, whatever. A powerhouse.
  • Reply 29 of 57
    sockrolidsockrolid Posts: 2,789member

    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

    He noted that tablet users tend to be upgrading on a more PC-like timeframe, keeping their device for many years before replacing it, unlike the typical two-year upgrade cycle with smartphones.

     

    Yup.  I still have my first-gen iPad mini from Nov. 2012.

    Runs great, still gets long battery life.

  • Reply 30 of 57
    pazuzupazuzu Posts: 1,728member
    apple ][ wrote: »

    And I guess that I'm not a laptop kind of person, because I haven't bought a new one in many years, and I don't really have any plans to buy one anytime soon either. In that same period though, I've bought a bunch of iPads.

    Are you a viewer not a doer?
  • Reply 31 of 57
    pfisherpfisher Posts: 758member
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    Originally Posted by kustardking View Post

     
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    Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

     

    iPad sales did not shrink.  The fact is the 6+ is a mini tablet.

     

     

     

    I'll say it again:  iPad and iPhone unit sales should be combined because the line between the iPadMini and 6+ is so thin.

     

     

     

    Total iOS devices (iPad+iPhone)



    Q1-2014 - 77.0 million



    Q1-2015 - 95.8 million



    Unit growth - 24%







    Total iOS Revenue



    Q1-2014 - 44 Billion



    Q1-2015 - 60 Billion



    Revenue growth - 37%







    Average Selling price iOS devices



    Q1-2014 - $570



    Q1-2015 - $627



    Selling price increase - 10%


     




    i*PHONE* 6+ is not a tablet, it's a phone, and it's phone-sized. iPad mini is a tablet, can't make calls, and it's hella bigger. What do the numbers look like when you put the devices in the correct categories?

     

    My tablet can make calls. It's called an iPhone 6+.

  • Reply 32 of 57
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    My tablet can make calls. It's called an iPhone 6+.

     

    Haha - OK then! Well, let's go official rather than kick it back and forth. To make sure we're not imposing our own ideas when we make claims of market share, revenues, and growth for device categories, what does Apple call the iPhone 6+?
  • Reply 33 of 57
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
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    Originally Posted by pazuzu View Post



    Are you a viewer not a doer?



    I am definitely a doer, a bigtime doer. I am at my desktop when doing.

  • Reply 34 of 57
    mazda 3smazda 3s Posts: 1,613member

    Aren't IDC and Gartners numbers and analysis routinely panned here by AI's editorial staff, yet here this report is being taking a face value because it makes a great headline to pick on Amazon. Can't have it both ways...

  • Reply 35 of 57
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
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    Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post

     

    Aren't IDC and Gartners numbers and analysis routinely panned here by AI's editorial staff, yet here this report is being taking a face value because it makes a great headline to pick on Amazon. Can't have it both ways...




    I don't take it at face value. They're probably underestimating the decline in Kindle Fires.

  • Reply 36 of 57
    mazda 3smazda 3s Posts: 1,613member
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    I don't take it at face value. They're probably underestimating the decline in Kindle Fires.




    Hah, that very well could be true! <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />

     

    Just seems odd to ridicule and try to discredit IDC when it suits your agenda...

    Then use their data and analysis when its suits your agenda.

     

    If they are s**t and shouldn't be trusted, then their numbers shouldn't be used for analysis as a credible source. But if you do use their numbers, it lends credibility to a source that you have tried in the past to discredit.

  • Reply 37 of 57
    koopkoop Posts: 337member
    I guess that's one way to see it. "Hey we're sucking but look at THESE guys over here!".

    Another way to see it is that PC's, Laptops, Macs are probably not dying anytime soon. The Post-PC world is on hold for a little while.

    I actually believe PC's/Macs will converge into tablets and replace the limited OS with something full featured. Not unlike the Surface tablets.
  • Reply 38 of 57
    Now I have the iPhone 6+ I don't use my iPad mini so much. But the phone's screen size and pixel density is not exploited that well yet in iOS - in Calendar and Pages for example. I'd like to see more of the kind of features you get in the iPad implementation of the OS.
  • Reply 39 of 57
    thedbathedba Posts: 762member
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    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post



    Remember, this is IDC we're talking about. Don't expect accuracy

    Spot on!

    When you see that "Other" is at 46%, then you know that IDC's numbers are more or less made up. 

    I think I read somewhere that they take up all the mobile processor shipments from various foundries along with 3G/4G chip shipments and try to make their numbers match up.

    The only numbers that we can be sure about are the ones on that first row. Everything else is guesswork by IDC analysts.  

  • Reply 40 of 57
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,842moderator
    mazda 3s wrote: »

    Hah, that very well could be true! :lol:

    Just seems odd to ridicule and try to discredit IDC when it suits your agenda...
    Then use their data and analysis when its suits your agenda.

    If they are s**t and shouldn't be trusted, then their numbers shouldn't be used for analysis as a credible source. But if you do use their numbers, it lends credibility to a source that you have tried in the past to discredit.

    I see this a bit differently. I see IDC as always doing their best to skew the data against Apple (due to their customer base being a lot of Apple's competitors). So when some report of theirs looks bad for Apple, you can safely bet things aren't quite so bad. And when some report of theirs doesn't look so bad for Apple relative to others, that likely likewise implies things are even worse for those others. You can trust that they always skew in the same direction.
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