If accurate, that's a shame for Amazon and Sammy. Of course were their numbers really that high last year? Only Amazon and Sammy can settle this but they choose not to which says a lot.
I don't know about Amazon but in my neck of the woods, I often see specials from various sellers such as:
Buy so and so Samsung flat screen TV and get a free Samsung Galaxy Tab.
Or buy a Galaxy Sx phone and get this Galaxy Tab for free or 1/2 price.
Each and every one of these deals counts as another shipment.
Where can i buy stock in Other Inc. They seem to be dominating the tablet market.
Yep... "Others" certainly moves a lot of units. But that's it... units.
I doubt any of the companies in "Others" made any profit at all. They're most likely white box Chinese vendors and other companies we've never heard of.
If you want to invest in that... go ahead
But seriously... look at #5 on that chart... Amazon shipped 1.7 million tablets last quarter. So that means no individual company in "Others" could have possibly shipped more than 1.7 million units.
Yet combined... "Others" represents over 35 million units.
Best case scenario there are TWENTY companies in the "Others" category. But that's if all twenty of them shipped 1.69 million units each.
That would be a fantasy.
In reality... there are 30 or 40 companies in the "Others" category.
So... who are these companies and what are these tablets they're peddling? And what affect do they have?
The market is saturated. People don't buy tablets every two years like phones.
I don't think its actually saturated but definitely getting more that way.
The market is not the number of quarterly sales, its really the number of units in use and users.
Tablets have a very different upgrade cycle and different jobs to be done (even if some use cases overlap with phone and laptop).
With phones, there is a pretty aggressive 2 year upgrade cycle. Almost all 3S and below are sitting in drawer, most 4 have succumbed to their age and hard living and the 4S' are falling off the user base rapidly (or becoming kids' ipods). Apple may have sold 1Bn iPhones but i would guess that no more that 66% are still in use (which is still a vast user base).
iPads keep on ticking and generally live a less dangerous life. I don't know any iPad 2s that aren't still in useful use (although often handed down). Even iPad 1's still work surprisingly well on OS5.
I would estimate that a much higher proportion of iPads are still in use. What the slower new sales would show is that the overall user base is growing more slowly but it is still growing. This may be a more natural rate of growth in the underlying market for a much more discretionary, longer-lived device until the use cases and jobs to be done develop further.
Much as I enjoy my iPad I have come around to the fact that I am definitely a laptop kind of person. iPhone and laptop. Call me old fashioned.
tablets & laptops are two different use cases. as jobs explained at the keynote, the tablet is a third type of device that sits next to a personal phone and laptop. it excels at different things.
Just seems odd to ridicule and try to discredit IDC when it suits your agenda...
Then use their data and analysis when its suits your agenda.
If they are s**t and shouldn't be trusted, then their numbers shouldn't be used for analysis as a credible source. But if you do use their numbers, it lends credibility to a source that you have tried in the past to discredit.
I think we can compare IDC numbers to its own reports and not to reality. Unless of course their methodology changed.
Much as I enjoy my iPad I have come around to the fact that I am definitely a laptop kind of person. iPhone and laptop. Call me old fashioned.
While I use my MBP far more then my iPad, I use them both for different tasks and I'm far more likely to take my iPad with me when I leave my house, so I see it less of an either-or proposition and more of a both, depending on the task. If I had a lighter, smaller screened MBA, I might think differently.
Where can i buy stock in Other Inc. They seem to be dominating the tablet market.
Yep... "Others" certainly moves a lot of units. But that's it... units.
I doubt any of the companies in "Others" made any profit at all. They're most likely white box Chinese vendors and other companies we've never heard of.
If you want to invest in that... go ahead
But seriously... look at #5 on that chart... Amazon shipped 1.7 million tablets last quarter. So that means no individual company in "Others" could have possibly shipped more than 1.7 million units.
Yet combined... "Others" represents over 35 million units.
Best case scenario there are TWENTY companies in the "Others" category. But that's if all twenty of them shipped 1.69 million units each.
That would be a fantasy.
In reality... there are 30 or 40 companies in the "Others" category.
So... who are these companies and what are these tablets they're peddling? And what affect do they have?
Well... ONE of the "others" is Microsoft, a once bright star that could count on a slavish following of corporate IT managers who know their fortunes relied on a bug-ridden OS that needed to be nursed regularly to half-ass function from one day to the next. Another "other" is HP who is also pushing Microsoft's crap OS and hoping they can stay stay in business long enough to once again become relevant...
Remember, this is IDC we're talking about. Don't expect accuracy
True, so true, but it's close enough to reality to see which way the wind is blowing... a good indicator if you want to know which side of the boat to take a piss...
Well... ONE of the "others" is Microsoft, a once bright star that could count on a slavish following of corporate IT managers who know their fortunes relied on a bug-ridden OS that needed to be nursed regularly to half-ass function from one day to the next. Another "other" is HP who is also pushing Microsoft's crap OS and hoping they can stay stay in business long enough to once again become relevant...
Tablets have their value. I can't imagine being without an iPad anymore. However, I do not feel the need for a frequent upgrade cycle. A new iPad every 3-5 years is more than fine to me. And I find the same reasoning among many other iPad owners. In my opinion slower tablet sales are simply the result of slower upgrade cycles of this category.
Exactly. In my case, it's:
iPhone, once a year;
iPad, once every two years;
MacBook Pro, once every three years;
iMac, ..... Last purchased in 2007.
Yep, the haters pounce on the iPad sales decline as proof that Apple is doomed. They conveniently forget the fact that other tablet manufacturers fared even worse. Apple sold more tablets than anyone else except of course “other.”
They willfully looked the other way when methodical testing revealed that the HTC One m8 was easier to bend than the iPhone 6 Plus.
Much as I enjoy my iPad I have come around to the fact that I am definitely a laptop kind of person. iPhone and laptop. Call me old fashioned.
My laptop took a dive about a year ago. I already had an iPad so I switched to that for email, web browsing, and writing. I was going to get a laptop to replace my iffy laptop but ended up buying a refurbished mini mac instead and hooked it up to my TV. At this point, I don't know if I'll ever get a new laptop. However, I'm retired so my wants are different then the wants of many other people.
Indeed.
I think the long and the short of it is that if you need to do a lot of writing on the move, you probably still want a laptop. I don't, so an iMac and iPad (and iPhone) do me.
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It's 3 months in a qtr.
If accurate, that's a shame for Amazon and Sammy. Of course were their numbers really that high last year? Only Amazon and Sammy can settle this but they choose not to which says a lot.
I don't know about Amazon but in my neck of the woods, I often see specials from various sellers such as:
Buy so and so Samsung flat screen TV and get a free Samsung Galaxy Tab.
Or buy a Galaxy Sx phone and get this Galaxy Tab for free or 1/2 price.
Each and every one of these deals counts as another shipment.
Yep... "Others" certainly moves a lot of units. But that's it... units.
I doubt any of the companies in "Others" made any profit at all. They're most likely white box Chinese vendors and other companies we've never heard of.
If you want to invest in that... go ahead
But seriously... look at #5 on that chart... Amazon shipped 1.7 million tablets last quarter. So that means no individual company in "Others" could have possibly shipped more than 1.7 million units.
Yet combined... "Others" represents over 35 million units.
Best case scenario there are TWENTY companies in the "Others" category. But that's if all twenty of them shipped 1.69 million units each.
That would be a fantasy.
In reality... there are 30 or 40 companies in the "Others" category.
So... who are these companies and what are these tablets they're peddling? And what affect do they have?
The market is saturated. People don't buy tablets every two years like phones.
I don't think its actually saturated but definitely getting more that way.
The market is not the number of quarterly sales, its really the number of units in use and users.
Tablets have a very different upgrade cycle and different jobs to be done (even if some use cases overlap with phone and laptop).
With phones, there is a pretty aggressive 2 year upgrade cycle. Almost all 3S and below are sitting in drawer, most 4 have succumbed to their age and hard living and the 4S' are falling off the user base rapidly (or becoming kids' ipods). Apple may have sold 1Bn iPhones but i would guess that no more that 66% are still in use (which is still a vast user base).
iPads keep on ticking and generally live a less dangerous life. I don't know any iPad 2s that aren't still in useful use (although often handed down). Even iPad 1's still work surprisingly well on OS5.
I would estimate that a much higher proportion of iPads are still in use. What the slower new sales would show is that the overall user base is growing more slowly but it is still growing. This may be a more natural rate of growth in the underlying market for a much more discretionary, longer-lived device until the use cases and jobs to be done develop further.
sounds like a logical fallacy : hey, Amazon who happens to be 80% smaller than Apple is doing much worse, so we are okay.
I also see some confirmation bias here, IDC is always right -- especially when it suits AI reporter's agenda !!!
Much as I enjoy my iPad I have come around to the fact that I am definitely a laptop kind of person. iPhone and laptop. Call me old fashioned.
tablets & laptops are two different use cases. as jobs explained at the keynote, the tablet is a third type of device that sits next to a personal phone and laptop. it excels at different things.
I think we can compare IDC numbers to its own reports and not to reality. Unless of course their methodology changed.
While I use my MBP far more then my iPad, I use them both for different tasks and I'm far more likely to take my iPad with me when I leave my house, so I see it less of an either-or proposition and more of a both, depending on the task. If I had a lighter, smaller screened MBA, I might think differently.
Well... ONE of the "others" is Microsoft, a once bright star that could count on a slavish following of corporate IT managers who know their fortunes relied on a bug-ridden OS that needed to be nursed regularly to half-ass function from one day to the next. Another "other" is HP who is also pushing Microsoft's crap OS and hoping they can stay stay in business long enough to once again become relevant...
True, so true, but it's close enough to reality to see which way the wind is blowing... a good indicator if you want to know which side of the boat to take a piss...
Well that's 2 of the 40
Exactly. In my case, it's:
iPhone, once a year;
iPad, once every two years;
MacBook Pro, once every three years;
iMac, ..... Last purchased in 2007.
Those times are doubled for the average person.
They willfully looked the other way when methodical testing revealed that the HTC One m8 was easier to bend than the iPhone 6 Plus.
Your right, that makes it even better.
Much as I enjoy my iPad I have come around to the fact that I am definitely a laptop kind of person. iPhone and laptop. Call me old fashioned.
My laptop took a dive about a year ago. I already had an iPad so I switched to that for email, web browsing, and writing. I was going to get a laptop to replace my iffy laptop but ended up buying a refurbished mini mac instead and hooked it up to my TV. At this point, I don't know if I'll ever get a new laptop. However, I'm retired so my wants are different then the wants of many other people.
Indeed.
I think the long and the short of it is that if you need to do a lot of writing on the move, you probably still want a laptop. I don't, so an iMac and iPad (and iPhone) do me.