I absolutely disagree. They're, in general, a pleasure to drive compared to the non-fancy ones.
That's fine.
I don't believe that driving a Mercedes-Benz is much better than driving a Toyota. Well, at least not in daily commute situation. I've driven both as I've owned both.
I absolutely disagree. They're, in general, a pleasure to drive compared to the non-fancy ones.
I agree... and I've driven some very nice cars... but I've always enjoyed mass transit, although I'd much prefer to be chauffeured... so, whether there was a driver in the front seat or not, I think it would be just great. :-)
I don't believe that driving a Mercedes-Benz is much better than driving a Toyota. Well, at least not in daily commute situation. I've driven both as I've owned both.
The difference between a Honda or Toyota and an MB doesn't really become apparent until you're doing 170 kmh down the autobahn. :-)
Well, if you were aware of it, it seems odd that you made such a lengthy rant about how physical dials were better than a garbage touch screen. Now you have changed your argument to that the controls are stupid and slow. Personally, I prefer to not take my hand off the steering wheel to reach down and adjust the climate controls, when I can just make the adjustments with my right thumb. I haven't noticed the speed of the adjustments being any kind of hardship, and I don't think a physical dial on the steering wheel differs in stupidity in any meaningful way from a physical dial on the dashboard.
You have limited space on your steering wheel. So you either set up the available controls for popular functions and are left going back to the touchscreen for others (which is useless) or you set up a menu system for wheel controls to get more than one function available (which is also stupid because it requires an extra step - select function THEN adjust).
If you study ergonomics in controls you'll find the rotary dial is pretty much the best method for changing settings. Even in a moving car you can still make precise adjustments. Which reminds me of another stupid automotive product - the graphic equalizer for stereos with the vertical sliders. Sure it looks cool, but adjusting sliders in a car is very difficult to do accurately, let alone when a car is moving. But hey, it looks good, so it must be good.
The difference between a Honda or Toyota and an MB doesn't really become apparent until you're doing 170 kmh down the autobahn. :-)
Irrrelevant in my country.
If I lived and drove in Germany, hell yes, I'd rather be driving my old Benz versus my current Toyota, but that is not my reality.
Yes, there is the functionality aspect to a car -- just as there is with a PC when it comes to computing -- but surely, culture and sociology across the world is replete with way more when it comes to the role of an automobile in people's lives. In fact, very few -- if any -- other products come close in terms of cultural and social impact.
It's everything from the sound of the engine, to the feel of the road, to the 'handling', to the plushness and design of the interior, to the smell of a new car, to the instrumentation, to the envy it evokes in neighbors, to the lifestyle it connotes..... the list is long. It's not simply four wheels and a driver that gets you from Point A to B.
Continuing with the computing analogy, I am sure you'd agree that the Mac offered much more than just computing functionality.
I'd be shocked if a car -- just as a phone or a tablet or a watch or a music player -- designed and sold by Apple started and ended with meeting people's needs to have not much more than something merely functional in their lives. I'd leave that to PCs, Android/Samsung, and Toyota/Kia.
You have limited space on your steering wheel. So you either set up the available controls for popular functions and are left going back to the touchscreen for others (which is useless) or you set up a menu system for wheel controls to get more than one function available (which is also stupid because it requires an extra step - select function THEN adjust).
If you study ergonomics in controls you'll find the rotary dial is pretty much the best method for changing settings. Even in a moving car you can still make precise adjustments. Which reminds me of another stupid automotive product - the graphic equalizer for stereos with the vertical sliders. Sure it looks cool, but adjusting sliders in a car is very difficult to do accurately, let alone when a car is moving. But hey, it looks good, so it must be good.
Ha ha- yes the old graphic equalizer . A ridiculous control that seems to have completely disappeared. It was probably more useful in a car however, than anywhere else as the listening environment in a car is often less ideal than in a room in a house.
If I lived and drove in Germany, hell yes, I'd rather be driving my old Benz versus my current Toyota, but that is not my reality.
Irrrelevant? Hardly. It's actually very pertinent to what you are saying. So much so that you are actually agreeing with me... whether you realize it or not.
Marc Newson, who has been working with Apple recently, did a concept car design for Ford in 1999...the 021C.
And I imagine that's a lot what an Apple car (or van, of course, I'd rather see them do something more like a station wagon) would look like too. At first I wasn't really sold on the idea of Apple building a car, but the more I think about it the more sense it makes. Cars are becoming more and more computerized every year. New car companies are starting to spring up with more frequency, and everyone from BMW to Local Motors are working on electric cars. Apple is also getting pretty experienced in building solar power grids (not that they do it themselves, but it is their own network they are building out via contractors) and that could easily be translated into charging stations for cars. I'd liken Apple's automotive explorations until now most like their Motorola E790 experience. They got into the dash and realized the experience isn't going to be right unless they build the whole thing.
At this point I'm just wondering what the timeline is.
Yes, there is the functionality aspect to a car -- just as there is with a PC when it comes to computing -- but surely, culture and sociology across the world is replete with way more when it comes to the role of an automobile in people's lives. In fact, very few -- if any -- other products come close in terms of cultural and social impact.
It's everything from the sound of the engine, to the feel of the road, to the 'handling', to the plushness and design of the interior, to the smell of a new car, to the instrumentation, to the envy it evokes in neighbors, to the lifestyle it connotes..... the list is long. It's not simply four wheels and a driver that gets you from Point A to B.
Continuing with the computing analogy, I am sure you'd agree that the Mac offered much more than just computing functionality.
I'd be shocked if a car -- just as a phone or a tablet or a watch or a music player -- designed and sold by Apple started and ended with meeting people's needs to have not much more than something merely functional in their lives. I'd leave that to PCs, Android/Samsung, and Toyota/Kia.
Dude, tons of people just don't get it. I'd rather buy an 8 year old BMW than a brand new Toyota, which is exactly what I'm about to do. My wife has a '98 JettaGT and I have a '90 325is. The funny thing is that my car feels 8 years newer than hers! The difference is night and day. The Jetta has been great, but it's time for an upgrade, so '06 E61 here we come.
The same thing goes with food and computers and tools and everything else. Some people value that rock bottom price over everything else, and/or can't or don't want to pick up on all the nuance of what makes it better for the price. Oh well. Let'em have it I say.
Ouch I just snorted my tea in shock ... you are kidding right? I don't think the words 'embrace' and 'Google' will ever be in the same sentence from Apple. Let alone when discussing an OS.
I put most of the trolls on my ignore list for health reasons, perhaps you should too, snorting tea doesn't sound healthy. (I kept Tekstud off the list though for his/her entertainment value). There's no point Apple spending one cent unless they are researching a complete package. Apple long ago learned not to dispose itself at the whim of 'partners'. Apple might not develop an autonomous electric vehicle but will be researching one.
Just make your way to the back of the dealership and the Genius will see you in a moment.
We're gonna need bigger Apple stores.
And laws would need to be changed to allow Apple to be able to sell the cars themselves. Current laws prohit car companies of selling cars directly to customers
And laws would need to be changed to allow Apple to be able to sell the cars themselves. Current laws prohit car companies of selling cars directly to customers
It's one matter for Elon to fight the system but when Apple becomes involved, it'll be another matter.
And laws would need to be changed to allow Apple to be able to sell the cars themselves. Current laws prohit car companies of selling cars directly to customers
That's not true. Tesla sells directly to customers in most states.
You know how you see a show car, and it%u2019s really cool, and then four years later you see the production car, and it sucks? And you go, What happened? They had it! They had it in the palm of their hands! %u2026What happened was, the designers came up with this really great idea. Then they take it to the engineers, and the engineers go, %u2018Nah, we can%u2019t do that. That%u2019s impossible.%u2019 And so it gets a lot worse. Then they take it to the manufacturing people, and they go, %u2018We can%u2019t build that!%u2019 And it gets a lot worse.%u201D
It's been long in coming, but it was inevitable.
Hopefully, Apple won't make their car as buggy as some of their apps though. Our very lives are at risk in a car. But it is exciting to see more companies in silicon valley realizing that giving TESLA a lock on the 100% electric car market isn't good for the common man. I would love to have a 100% electric over a stupid hybrid, but they are simply not affordable for the common man yet. And while Apple tends to charge more than other companies for basic things, perhaps the extra competition would work to drive electric car costs in the realm of "reasonable" within my lifetime. I hope so.
If I'm going to own a car, I want to enjoy the experience of driving the car. I don't care much for an automated chauffeur.
I want both. I want to drive my 66 Lincoln convertible in the summer, but daily to and from work: f**k that noise. Let me sleep longer or do something while I'm on my way to work without the hassle of traffic and driving.
No more drunk drivers. No more old people pressing the wrong pedal. It has to happen.
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I absolutely disagree. They're, in general, a pleasure to drive compared to the non-fancy ones.
That's fine.
I don't believe that driving a Mercedes-Benz is much better than driving a Toyota. Well, at least not in daily commute situation. I've driven both as I've owned both.
I absolutely disagree. They're, in general, a pleasure to drive compared to the non-fancy ones.
I agree... and I've driven some very nice cars... but I've always enjoyed mass transit, although I'd much prefer to be chauffeured... so, whether there was a driver in the front seat or not, I think it would be just great. :-)
That's fine.
I don't believe that driving a Mercedes-Benz is much better than driving a Toyota. Well, at least not in daily commute situation. I've driven both as I've owned both.
The difference between a Honda or Toyota and an MB doesn't really become apparent until you're doing 170 kmh down the autobahn. :-)
The difference between a Honda or Toyota and an MB doesn't really become apparent until you're doing 170 kmh down the autobahn. :-)
Irrrelevant in my country.
If I lived and drove in Germany, hell yes, I'd rather be driving my old Benz versus my current Toyota, but that is not my reality.
You have limited space on your steering wheel. So you either set up the available controls for popular functions and are left going back to the touchscreen for others (which is useless) or you set up a menu system for wheel controls to get more than one function available (which is also stupid because it requires an extra step - select function THEN adjust).
If you study ergonomics in controls you'll find the rotary dial is pretty much the best method for changing settings. Even in a moving car you can still make precise adjustments. Which reminds me of another stupid automotive product - the graphic equalizer for stereos with the vertical sliders. Sure it looks cool, but adjusting sliders in a car is very difficult to do accurately, let alone when a car is moving. But hey, it looks good, so it must be good.
The difference between a Honda or Toyota and an MB doesn't really become apparent until you're doing 170 kmh down the autobahn. :-)
Irrrelevant in my country.
If I lived and drove in Germany, hell yes, I'd rather be driving my old Benz versus my current Toyota, but that is not my reality.
Yes, there is the functionality aspect to a car -- just as there is with a PC when it comes to computing -- but surely, culture and sociology across the world is replete with way more when it comes to the role of an automobile in people's lives. In fact, very few -- if any -- other products come close in terms of cultural and social impact.
It's everything from the sound of the engine, to the feel of the road, to the 'handling', to the plushness and design of the interior, to the smell of a new car, to the instrumentation, to the envy it evokes in neighbors, to the lifestyle it connotes..... the list is long. It's not simply four wheels and a driver that gets you from Point A to B.
Continuing with the computing analogy, I am sure you'd agree that the Mac offered much more than just computing functionality.
I'd be shocked if a car -- just as a phone or a tablet or a watch or a music player -- designed and sold by Apple started and ended with meeting people's needs to have not much more than something merely functional in their lives. I'd leave that to PCs, Android/Samsung, and Toyota/Kia.
Irrrelevant in my country.
If I lived and drove in Germany, hell yes, I'd rather be driving my old Benz versus my current Toyota, but that is not my reality.
Irrrelevant? Hardly. It's actually very pertinent to what you are saying. So much so that you are actually agreeing with me... whether you realize it or not.
Marc Newson, who has been working with Apple recently, did a concept car design for Ford in 1999...the 021C.
And I imagine that's a lot what an Apple car (or van, of course, I'd rather see them do something more like a station wagon) would look like too. At first I wasn't really sold on the idea of Apple building a car, but the more I think about it the more sense it makes. Cars are becoming more and more computerized every year. New car companies are starting to spring up with more frequency, and everyone from BMW to Local Motors are working on electric cars. Apple is also getting pretty experienced in building solar power grids (not that they do it themselves, but it is their own network they are building out via contractors) and that could easily be translated into charging stations for cars. I'd liken Apple's automotive explorations until now most like their Motorola E790 experience. They got into the dash and realized the experience isn't going to be right unless they build the whole thing.
At this point I'm just wondering what the timeline is.
Yes, there is the functionality aspect to a car -- just as there is with a PC when it comes to computing -- but surely, culture and sociology across the world is replete with way more when it comes to the role of an automobile in people's lives. In fact, very few -- if any -- other products come close in terms of cultural and social impact.
It's everything from the sound of the engine, to the feel of the road, to the 'handling', to the plushness and design of the interior, to the smell of a new car, to the instrumentation, to the envy it evokes in neighbors, to the lifestyle it connotes..... the list is long. It's not simply four wheels and a driver that gets you from Point A to B.
Continuing with the computing analogy, I am sure you'd agree that the Mac offered much more than just computing functionality.
I'd be shocked if a car -- just as a phone or a tablet or a watch or a music player -- designed and sold by Apple started and ended with meeting people's needs to have not much more than something merely functional in their lives. I'd leave that to PCs, Android/Samsung, and Toyota/Kia.
Dude, tons of people just don't get it. I'd rather buy an 8 year old BMW than a brand new Toyota, which is exactly what I'm about to do. My wife has a '98 JettaGT and I have a '90 325is. The funny thing is that my car feels 8 years newer than hers! The difference is night and day. The Jetta has been great, but it's time for an upgrade, so '06 E61 here we come.
The same thing goes with food and computers and tools and everything else. Some people value that rock bottom price over everything else, and/or can't or don't want to pick up on all the nuance of what makes it better for the price. Oh well. Let'em have it I say.
Ouch I just snorted my tea in shock ... you are kidding right? I don't think the words 'embrace' and 'Google' will ever be in the same sentence from Apple. Let alone when discussing an OS.
I put most of the trolls on my ignore list for health reasons, perhaps you should too, snorting tea doesn't sound healthy. (I kept Tekstud off the list though for his/her entertainment value). There's no point Apple spending one cent unless they are researching a complete package. Apple long ago learned not to dispose itself at the whim of 'partners'. Apple might not develop an autonomous electric vehicle but will be researching one.
And laws would need to be changed to allow Apple to be able to sell the cars themselves. Current laws prohit car companies of selling cars directly to customers
And laws would need to be changed to allow Apple to be able to sell the cars themselves. Current laws prohit car companies of selling cars directly to customers
It's one matter for Elon to fight the system but when Apple becomes involved, it'll be another matter.
That's not true. Tesla sells directly to customers in most states.
http://www.engadget.com/2014/07/17/tesla-motors-us-sales/
Good grief! Sorry to hear that. Certainly hope you are getting better and you can recover fully.
It's great flooring it in Germany. The number of roads where that is allowed are getting fewer though.
You know how you see a show car, and it%u2019s really cool, and then four years later you see the production car, and it sucks? And you go, What happened? They had it! They had it in the palm of their hands! %u2026What happened was, the designers came up with this really great idea. Then they take it to the engineers, and the engineers go, %u2018Nah, we can%u2019t do that. That%u2019s impossible.%u2019 And so it gets a lot worse. Then they take it to the manufacturing people, and they go, %u2018We can%u2019t build that!%u2019 And it gets a lot worse.%u201D
It's been long in coming, but it was inevitable.
Hopefully, Apple won't make their car as buggy as some of their apps though. Our very lives are at risk in a car. But it is exciting to see more companies in silicon valley realizing that giving TESLA a lock on the 100% electric car market isn't good for the common man. I would love to have a 100% electric over a stupid hybrid, but they are simply not affordable for the common man yet. And while Apple tends to charge more than other companies for basic things, perhaps the extra competition would work to drive electric car costs in the realm of "reasonable" within my lifetime. I hope so.
If I'm going to own a car, I want to enjoy the experience of driving the car. I don't care much for an automated chauffeur.
I want both. I want to drive my 66 Lincoln convertible in the summer, but daily to and from work: f**k that noise. Let me sleep longer or do something while I'm on my way to work without the hassle of traffic and driving.
No more drunk drivers. No more old people pressing the wrong pedal. It has to happen.