I used iOS from 1.1.3. I downloaded 2.0 the day it came out (once the iPocalypse ended...) iOS 8 is buggier. It's random bugs too, which is the most annoying.
iOS 2 or 3 (I don't remember which) had a runaway CPU issue that would cause the original iPhone to get incredibly hot to the touch, and drain the battery at an alarming rate. Kind of like an old Windows laptop running Firefox and Flash.
The iOS 8 bugs I saw are mostly UI glitches, but the absolute worst was a bug that caused Apple Maps to immediately crash after launch, and any app that used Maps data such as adding an event to your calendar would cause that app to also crash. The solution (via Apple's foruns) was to reset the iPhone (not reboot, but essentially wipe all your plist files out), causing your iPhone to go back to the day you turned it on for the first time (the "Hello" screen). Your data and apps are intact, but you have to go through and set up your iPhone again, register your fingerprints and re-add/re-authorize your Apple Pay credit cards again, as well as sign on you iTunes, iCloud, Visual Voicemail etc. Really not convenient. If I wanted to put up with that kind of shitty DIY user experience, I can always switch to Android, or punch myself in the face.
And that kind of bug still exists.
For instance, I like to create events from Mail, because it then provides a link to the email in the event. However, if you try adding travel time, the location will disappear. You have to add that information separately in the Calendar app. Also, if writing a note for an event, the keyboard hides the text after a line or so, and there is no way to scroll. Again, you have to write the note in the main Calendar app.
If you try creating a new event before your calendars have updated, sometimes the edit window becomes very narrow and cuts off half the text. You have to wait for the calendars to finish syncing to get the proper edit window.
These are basic errors in first party Apple apps that have been there since iOS 8.0 and have still not been fixed.
It pains me to ask this but where's the evidence for "an apparently successful public beta program for OS X Yosemite"? It may have been popular to distribute a pre-release version but the state of Yosemite when it was released does not suggest to me that it was actually beta tested, never mind successfully. I'm sorry to say this but it brought a variety of serious bugs that smack of a lack of thorough testing at the alpha stage.
A beta test program involves more than rolling out an early version of the software, it also needs the feedback to be collated, a set of fixes be created and then disseminated (and repeat until bug reports start to decline). There is no evidence of widespread testing/fixing in the functionality of WiFi and Bluetooth stacks that had such a variety of faults at launch and still don't work well according to many (and personally in the case of BT). Why did Mail (broken and then supposedly fixed in Mavericks) not work well for a variety of set-ups? Why is multi-screen working, fixing it being a major feature of Mavericks, still not working predictably?
I like a lot of the stuff that Apple is putting into Mac OS X but the coherency, consistency and reliability of the OS has taken a nose-dive of late. It's getting a lot more like the Windows experience of "it often works" and "you have to do it in this order". I do hope Mac OS 10.11 is about fixing and finishing what we have, not more features.
On balance, as Yosemite is markedly more stable than iOS 8, I'm inclined to see this as a wise move.
Yosemite works really well on my 2013 rMBP. I did my homework before upgrading, reviewing the most common issues and what to do if I encountered them, but in the end, I had a positive upgrade experience. It was painless, and is running without issue.
On balance, as Yosemite is markedly more stable than iOS 8, I'm inclined to see this as a wise move.
Yosemite works really well on my 2013 rMBP. I did my homework before upgrading, reviewing the most common issues and what to do if I encountered them, but in the end, I had a positive upgrade experience. It was painless, and is running without issue.
Same here, pretty much.
I noticed a marked improvement with the latest update. I occasionally have the odd app quit, but considering I have a 2008 iMac, I'm not too fussed. I like having 12 or 13 apps open at once, so it probably stretches my 4GB of RAM to breaking point.
With some here the response is that Apple is perfect.
Find me one fucking quote in this thread of anything even RESEMBLING that statement. Hell, find me one quote on this entire forum, going back years, of anyone saying that. Just ONE. Otherwise, stop lying. Stating that something is not as bad as the sensationalists make it out to be, is not the same as stating it's "perfect".
I don't think Apple is perfect but my issues with iOS and Yosemite have been minimal. Remembering the crap I used to put up with via Microsoft and Nokia the Apple problems are totally insignificant. Have to love the ecosystem.
<div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/184882/rumor-apple-may-open-ios-pre-releases-to-average-consumers-in-expanded-public-beta-program-u/40#post_2679304" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false">Quote:<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>singularity</strong> <a href="/t/184882/rumor-apple-may-open-ios-pre-releases-to-average-consumers-in-expanded-public-beta-program-u/40#post_2679304"><img alt="View Post" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /><br /><br />With some here the response is that Apple is perfect.</div></div><p> </p><p>Find me one fucking quote in this thread of anything even RESEMBLING that statement. Hell, find me one quote on this entire forum, going back years, of anyone saying that. Just ONE. Otherwise, stop lying. Stating that something is not as bad as the sensationalists make it out to be, is not the same as stating it's "perfect". </p>
You really need to take a chill pill.
Any statement made that could be construed to be against Apple or situation and there will be many commentators that will defend Apple to the hilt. It's almost as if some people take it personally?
You should go back to Android since you expect perfection
I agree that the go-to answer to "Reset" your phone when you experience an error is a lazy solution and a real big hassle to have to re-configure everything. There is almost always a much more surgical way to fix a specific problem but it seems like nobody at Apple wants to do the troubleshooting to figure out what it is or the write up to instruct users how to fix their problem without having to reset everything on their phone. The carriers are even worse! They sometimes don't even want to listen to what your problem is until AFTER you've gone ahead and reset all settings.
As for iOS8 bugs, I've experienced intermittent issues on both my iPhone 6+ and my iPad Air 2. Minor things like the occasional springboard reset or the screen orientation getting stuck and not changing when the device is rotated. The springboard resets occurs about once every 2 weeks - so it's certainly not a big issue and I'm happy to put up with these minor, intermittent problems. I certainly wouldn't describe the issues I've encountered as "unacceptable" nor would I describe iOS8 as "rock solid" - but without hesitation, I would emphatically describe it as "robust, efficient, fast - and far far better than anything else that exists on the planet"! (except perhaps the iOS 9 code in development!)
With some here the response is that Apple is perfect.
A few minor bugs is something I'd describe as "very stable". I wouldn't use the term "rock solid" unless there were no noticeable bugs. And on the flip side, there is definitely nothing I've heard or experienced with iOS 8 that warrants a label of "unacceptable". Expectations of perfection in any OS is unrealistic and will only lead to a lifetime of disappointment.
I haven't had any of those issues either. I'm curious what sort of troubleshooting steps [@]TheWhiteFalcon[/@] has done, like starting from a fresh installation WITHOUT using any saved backup to restore settings or trying this with a different device.
You shouldn't have to go through those steps. If your OS requires users to wipe their device and start 100% fresh, setting all their preferences again, all to potentially fix bugs, then your software has issues and should not have been released
You shouldn't have to go through those steps. If your OS requires users to wipe their device and start 100% fresh, setting all their preferences again, all to potentially fix bugs, then your software has issues and should not have been released
Your "shouldn't have to" comment is silly and naive. There are bugs in virtually all SW, hence they get point updates to resolve these issues without adding features. While it would be great if everything was perfect all the time, that isn't the case. If you have an issue then find a resolution, but don't lay down in a fetal position holding your legs repeating, "it never should have been released, it never should have been released."
I have so many issues with copy/paste especially text selection which is incredibly wonky. And if I try and paste something when composing a message on this site I often times have to long press 5 or 6 times to get the menu to pop up and stay up to where I can tap on 'paste'. Also prior to IOS 8 you used to be able to long press on an image and copy the image URL. Now most sites, outside of maybe Twitter, when you long press on an image the only thing you can do is save it to photos. I had none of those problems with IOS 7.
I just think copy and paste is broken on all iOS devices. I try not to use it. If I was responding to your post on a Mac i would edit it but since this is an iPhone its just impossible.
Back to software quality. I'm on iOS 8.1.3 which is as solid as a rock (for me). If Apple released software as solid as its .1 releases then all would be fine and dandy. Unfortunately it's locked to a hardware schedule and I don't think that works. The .0 releases are buggy.
Your "shouldn't have to" comment is silly and naive. There are bugs in virtually all SW, hence they get point updates to resolve these issues without adding features. While it would be great if everything was perfect all the time, that isn't the case. If you have an issue then find a resolution, but don't lay down in a fetal position holding your legs repeating, "it never should have been released, it never should have been released."
Maybe he wasn't in a foetal position but was just making a fairly sane point. While software always has bugs it should never be so buggy as to be unusable.
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And that kind of bug still exists.
For instance, I like to create events from Mail, because it then provides a link to the email in the event. However, if you try adding travel time, the location will disappear. You have to add that information separately in the Calendar app. Also, if writing a note for an event, the keyboard hides the text after a line or so, and there is no way to scroll. Again, you have to write the note in the main Calendar app.
If you try creating a new event before your calendars have updated, sometimes the edit window becomes very narrow and cuts off half the text. You have to wait for the calendars to finish syncing to get the proper edit window.
These are basic errors in first party Apple apps that have been there since iOS 8.0 and have still not been fixed.
The soft reboots are the worst.
It pains me to ask this but where's the evidence for "an apparently successful public beta program for OS X Yosemite"? It may have been popular to distribute a pre-release version but the state of Yosemite when it was released does not suggest to me that it was actually beta tested, never mind successfully. I'm sorry to say this but it brought a variety of serious bugs that smack of a lack of thorough testing at the alpha stage.
A beta test program involves more than rolling out an early version of the software, it also needs the feedback to be collated, a set of fixes be created and then disseminated (and repeat until bug reports start to decline). There is no evidence of widespread testing/fixing in the functionality of WiFi and Bluetooth stacks that had such a variety of faults at launch and still don't work well according to many (and personally in the case of BT). Why did Mail (broken and then supposedly fixed in Mavericks) not work well for a variety of set-ups? Why is multi-screen working, fixing it being a major feature of Mavericks, still not working predictably?
I like a lot of the stuff that Apple is putting into Mac OS X but the coherency, consistency and reliability of the OS has taken a nose-dive of late. It's getting a lot more like the Windows experience of "it often works" and "you have to do it in this order". I do hope Mac OS 10.11 is about fixing and finishing what we have, not more features.
Yosemite works really well on my 2013 rMBP. I did my homework before upgrading, reviewing the most common issues and what to do if I encountered them, but in the end, I had a positive upgrade experience. It was painless, and is running without issue.
Same here, pretty much.
I noticed a marked improvement with the latest update. I occasionally have the odd app quit, but considering I have a 2008 iMac, I'm not too fussed. I like having 12 or 13 apps open at once, so it probably stretches my 4GB of RAM to breaking point.
This year or next, a 5k beckons. ????
With some here the response is that Apple is perfect.
Find me one fucking quote in this thread of anything even RESEMBLING that statement. Hell, find me one quote on this entire forum, going back years, of anyone saying that. Just ONE. Otherwise, stop lying. Stating that something is not as bad as the sensationalists make it out to be, is not the same as stating it's "perfect".
I don't think Apple is perfect but my issues with iOS and Yosemite have been minimal. Remembering the crap I used to put up with via Microsoft and Nokia the Apple problems are totally insignificant. Have to love the ecosystem.
Any statement made that could be construed to be against Apple or situation and there will be many commentators that will defend Apple to the hilt. It's almost as if some people take it personally?
I agree that the go-to answer to "Reset" your phone when you experience an error is a lazy solution and a real big hassle to have to re-configure everything. There is almost always a much more surgical way to fix a specific problem but it seems like nobody at Apple wants to do the troubleshooting to figure out what it is or the write up to instruct users how to fix their problem without having to reset everything on their phone. The carriers are even worse! They sometimes don't even want to listen to what your problem is until AFTER you've gone ahead and reset all settings.
As for iOS8 bugs, I've experienced intermittent issues on both my iPhone 6+ and my iPad Air 2. Minor things like the occasional springboard reset or the screen orientation getting stuck and not changing when the device is rotated. The springboard resets occurs about once every 2 weeks - so it's certainly not a big issue and I'm happy to put up with these minor, intermittent problems. I certainly wouldn't describe the issues I've encountered as "unacceptable" nor would I describe iOS8 as "rock solid" - but without hesitation, I would emphatically describe it as "robust, efficient, fast - and far far better than anything else that exists on the planet"! (except perhaps the iOS 9 code in development!)
A few minor bugs is something I'd describe as "very stable". I wouldn't use the term "rock solid" unless there were no noticeable bugs. And on the flip side, there is definitely nothing I've heard or experienced with iOS 8 that warrants a label of "unacceptable". Expectations of perfection in any OS is unrealistic and will only lead to a lifetime of disappointment.
You shouldn't have to go through those steps. If your OS requires users to wipe their device and start 100% fresh, setting all their preferences again, all to potentially fix bugs, then your software has issues and should not have been released
Your "shouldn't have to" comment is silly and naive. There are bugs in virtually all SW, hence they get point updates to resolve these issues without adding features. While it would be great if everything was perfect all the time, that isn't the case. If you have an issue then find a resolution, but don't lay down in a fetal position holding your legs repeating, "it never should have been released, it never should have been released."
I just think copy and paste is broken on all iOS devices. I try not to use it. If I was responding to your post on a Mac i would edit it but since this is an iPhone its just impossible.
Back to software quality. I'm on iOS 8.1.3 which is as solid as a rock (for me). If Apple released software as solid as its .1 releases then all would be fine and dandy. Unfortunately it's locked to a hardware schedule and I don't think that works. The .0 releases are buggy.
Maybe he wasn't in a foetal position but was just making a fairly sane point. While software always has bugs it should never be so buggy as to be unusable.
Apple are missing a trick by not hiring you as a evangelist.
Thank goodness.
Hope I will get it run.