Sloppy work of the banks of course, you can expect that.
And thats the point, Apple should have expected that also and made the verification process two way in all cases. (I understand that Apple expected this, but they didn't make it mandatory.)
Now, you can dispute that this is feasible, but I'm convinced it is.
GTFO troll. Joined July2012 and only have 4 posts. And all negative.
Delightful response. Better to simply say "troll!" than to actually engage in a discussion, eh?
There's no trolling in what I've written in this discussion, nor in any other on this site.
Please, tell me what's so utterly negative or troll-ish about my responses? Let's see..
7/23/2012 - Reaction to a substantial change in how app purchases work, particularly when there are kids involved. Not wanting my kid to rack up a bunch of app purchases within a 15-minute window of when I agreed to get an app is trolling somehow?
You don't know what trolling is. Plus, not everyone comments constantly. Some people comment only when they feel they have something to say that would contribute to the discussion, as opposed to folks who prefer to simply engage in ad hominem discourse.
after articles like this, i am finding myself liking these DED pieces more. yes there is a slant- there ALWAYS is a slant in any writing. but good for you for calling out sloppy journ-o-blogging. it might not stop them from writing malarky, but at least people can find out a little more here.
I too so much appreciate the deep dive on this topic - very well done DED, and I hope (like I often do) that your logic and exposure gets shared in a big way. THANK YOU.
I don't need to try one - the manufacturer pointed out the key deficiency. If the watch is only good for 1 day before needing a recharge, as was stated during the announcement event, it's a dead fish, for us. Since they came right out and said it's good for 1 day, there wasn't any need to overthink/over-analyze.
"Oops, can't use my watch today, I forgot to charge it last night. Again."
If it was a 3-day, 5-day or 1-week lifespan on the battery, it would be perfectly usable, and a great product. A watch that's dead after 1 day isn't a great product. It's a so-so overall product with some really great tech inside.
It's the same mantra as previous products. I didn't buy an iPad v1 because it was bulky and lacked the key feature I'd be interested in for a tablet (front facing camera). I didn't buy an iPhone v1 because it had slow wireless data, no app ecosystem, and very little third-party integration. Today, there's an iPhone 6 in my pocket and an iPad Air in my bag. When they refine a product and really get it right (which takes 1-3 revisions), it's beyond compare. In a space where there's no driving need to replace an existing device, like the smart watch space, it's a non-starter, for me at least.
So buy v2 then; why are you boring everyone with your distaste?
Incidentally, Apple did not state 1 day battery life in the announcement, all information about battery has been gleaned from subsequent interviews and informal comments.
Delightful response. Better to simply say "troll!" than to actually engage in a discussion, eh?
There's no trolling in what I've written in this discussion, nor in any other on this site.
Please, tell me what's so utterly negative or troll-ish about my responses? Let's see..
7/23/2012 - Reaction to a substantial change in how app purchases work, particularly when there are kids involved. Not wanting my kid to rack up a bunch of app purchases within a 15-minute window of when I agreed to get an app is trolling somehow?
You don't know what trolling is. Plus, not everyone comments constantly. Some people comment only when they feel they have something to say that would contribute to the discussion, as opposed to folks who prefer to simply engage in ad hominem discourse.
You started off saying that you don't need to try an unannounced product before making a decision about its usability. You then followed that up with talking points typically used by trolls, while simultaneously ignoring that your phone and notebooks typically require daily charging, too. If you can change those every day, then why not ?Watch?
It seems to me there are really only two answers that fit: 1) You are making a trollish comment that is simply meant to deride this thread by adding nothing of substance by actually trying to "engage in a discussion," or 2) you see something called "watch" attached to a wrist which you instantly assume requires having the same amount of battery life as a traditional watch. Why would anyone expect that from CE?
It's not like people don't understand that using MS Word requires power on your notebook where as a pen and paper don't. Simpler tools simply don't need to be powered the same way. That should be an obvious statement and yet we keep seeing ridiculous comments about what ?Watch should do, so while you may be sincere in your comments and in no way trolling, they sure come across as myopic.
So you would be happy with 1 week of battery life. Great! We all want more battery life in everything all the time. What's your point? Make the battery 7x larger to accommodate for that, assuming it is really only good for 1 day? But wait, you can't say 7 days unless you also make it wearable whilst sleeping and then you would want sleep monitoring. Surely that would result in at least a battery 8x the current size? Did you figure what that would do to the size and weight of the device? Did you figure how that would affect usability?
No. Did you go the other way then? Meaning, did you simply reduce the performance and features until that same battery could last a full 168 hours on the wrist? I'm guessing you didn't? Why not? Why simply disparage a yet unreleased product 1) with no official specs on usage, and 2) no independent testing to see how long it will last?
Finally, why not simply consider all possibles at this point, which include seeing if the utility is good enough that its worth having to charge much more frequently than a traditional watch? I never would have paid $800 for a new flip phone every year but I'll gladly do it with an iPhone because of the utility, just as I'll gladly pay for a modern notebook in which to write despite it needing to be charged daily when a traditional typewriter is both power-free and results in a printed work. No Mac has a printer built-in.
There simply isn't enough info right now — Tim Cook definitely did increase security — for any of us to make a personal decision based on fact so when someone comes in just a couple hours before that information is to be given to say "I don't need to try one" and "It's got some pretty serious shortcomings," with you suggesting that in 3 to 4 years from know you may consider it again, it doesn't sounds like you're being openminded at all.
You even state in one reply that the responses you're receiving aren't leaving anything open to discussion, but where did you leave it open with absolute statements about ?Watch despite never trying it and this being an editorial about ?Pay fraud. Can you not see how you set yourself for these retorts?
I don't need to try one - the manufacturer pointed out the key deficiency. If the watch is only good for 1 day before needing a recharge, as was stated during the announcement event, it's a dead fish, for us.
There is no perfect product, even the ones you came around to are deficient in some manner.
If something offers real value, it may be worth adopting new habits for (nightly recharging), rather than simply stamping one's feet in a false sense of resolve. But you won't know unless you keep an open mind. Me, I can't wait to see what they show off... history, in the making. Again.
Apple is the smart, likable kid in class who most of the kids admire and aspire to be like. Then there are the insecure, jealous bullies who knock the smart kid at every opportunity.
However, on your final point.. "I can't wait to see what they write about Apple Watch tomorrow."
Here's the thing about the Apple Watch. It's got some pretty serious shortcomings, much like the original iPad did. The iPad v1 was pretty thick and heavy, not to mention the lack of a camera for facetime/skype/other video conferencing tools. The iPad 2 remediated all of those, and sold WAY more than the iPad v1. Heck, 1 quarter of iPad 2 was almost as much as all of iPad v1 sales.
Similarly, while yes, the Apple Watch has some pretty great stuff under the hood, it's got major disadvantages. The chief among these is battery life. My wife was dying to get an Apple Watch when the rumors first started flying around before the previous event. Then the event happened, and to her, the device became only half as useful as it once was. What's missing? Well, she uses her fitbit as a silent alarm to wake up in the morning, for which I'm grateful on those rare days when I get to sleep in later than 6. In order to have an effective silent alarm, the battery life of the device must be greater than 1 day. Apple Watch, by their own admission, has a useful life of 1 day, and we're supposed to charge it at night.
So much like the iPad and iPhone before it, the initial version will only be half or so of what we really want. And so, we won't buy it. Many will, but we will not, as there's not much point in throwing away money on a device that doesn't do the core things we're looking for.
Will it get better? Almost certainly. Will we end up with an Apple Watch? Some day, probably the 3rd or 4th version.
How'd you get an advanced release of the Watch? Not a major shortcoming at all. I hate wearing a watch while sleeping.
Thanks for peeling back the curtain on this series of industry attacks; excellent article.
By paying attention to the rise of Apple over the years and all the fabricated flaps along the way, it's been a masters course in the art of message manipulation that you can extrapolate to the entire universe of modern media in whatever field that has opposing forces/vested interests.
So buy v2 then; why are you boring everyone with your distaste?
Incidentally, Apple did not state 1 day battery life in the announcement, all information about battery has been gleaned from subsequent interviews and informal comments.
Actually, Tim Cook has said that you'll get 1 day out of it.
How'd you get an advanced release of the Watch? Not a major shortcoming at all. I hate wearing a watch while sleeping.
How's that? I never said I had an advanced release of the Apple Watch. I'm just going on what Tim Cook has publicly stated the battery life of the thing is.
When one of your goals for the device on your wrist is a silent alarm to wake you, battery life of > 1 day is pretty important, so that's a pretty major shortcoming in my view.
There simply isn't enough info right now — Tim Cook definitely did increase security — for any of us to make a personal decision based on fact so when someone comes in just a couple hours before that information is to be given to say "I don't need to try one" and "It's got some pretty serious shortcomings," with you suggesting that in 3 to 4 years from know you may consider it again, it doesn't sounds like you're being openminded at all.
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Lots of info is clear enough, like for example the dimensions of the AW.
When the watch was announced I decided to buy a watch that matched my feature list better: it had to be solar powered and be readable outdoors even in direct sunlight.
Lots of info is clear enough, like for example the dimensions of the AW.
When the watch was announced I decided to buy a watch that matched my feature list better: it had to be solar powered and be readable outdoors even in direct sunlight.
Well if you're criteria was based solely on its look, then I agree there is more then enough info to make such a superficial decision not to buy it.
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Sure. And physicians supposedly heal themselves.
Sloppy work of the banks of course, you can expect that.
And thats the point, Apple should have expected that also and made the verification process two way in all cases. (I understand that Apple expected this, but they didn't make it mandatory.)
Now, you can dispute that this is feasible, but I'm convinced it is.
GTFO troll. Joined July2012 and only have 4 posts. And all negative.
Delightful response. Better to simply say "troll!" than to actually engage in a discussion, eh?
There's no trolling in what I've written in this discussion, nor in any other on this site.
Please, tell me what's so utterly negative or troll-ish about my responses? Let's see..
7/23/2012 - Reaction to a substantial change in how app purchases work, particularly when there are kids involved. Not wanting my kid to rack up a bunch of app purchases within a 15-minute window of when I agreed to get an app is trolling somehow?
8/28/2012 - confirming AT&T speeds.
Today - Pointing out the achilles heel in the first generation Apple Watch, as was also done by Tim Cook himself. (Source: http://www.macrumors.com/2014/10/28/tim-cook-on-apple-watch/)
You don't know what trolling is. Plus, not everyone comments constantly. Some people comment only when they feel they have something to say that would contribute to the discussion, as opposed to folks who prefer to simply engage in ad hominem discourse.
Incidentally, Apple did not state 1 day battery life in the announcement, all information about battery has been gleaned from subsequent interviews and informal comments.
You started off saying that you don't need to try an unannounced product before making a decision about its usability. You then followed that up with talking points typically used by trolls, while simultaneously ignoring that your phone and notebooks typically require daily charging, too. If you can change those every day, then why not ?Watch?
It seems to me there are really only two answers that fit: 1) You are making a trollish comment that is simply meant to deride this thread by adding nothing of substance by actually trying to "engage in a discussion," or 2) you see something called "watch" attached to a wrist which you instantly assume requires having the same amount of battery life as a traditional watch. Why would anyone expect that from CE?
It's not like people don't understand that using MS Word requires power on your notebook where as a pen and paper don't. Simpler tools simply don't need to be powered the same way. That should be an obvious statement and yet we keep seeing ridiculous comments about what ?Watch should do, so while you may be sincere in your comments and in no way trolling, they sure come across as myopic.
So you would be happy with 1 week of battery life. Great! We all want more battery life in everything all the time. What's your point? Make the battery 7x larger to accommodate for that, assuming it is really only good for 1 day? But wait, you can't say 7 days unless you also make it wearable whilst sleeping and then you would want sleep monitoring. Surely that would result in at least a battery 8x the current size? Did you figure what that would do to the size and weight of the device? Did you figure how that would affect usability?
No. Did you go the other way then? Meaning, did you simply reduce the performance and features until that same battery could last a full 168 hours on the wrist? I'm guessing you didn't? Why not? Why simply disparage a yet unreleased product 1) with no official specs on usage, and 2) no independent testing to see how long it will last?
Finally, why not simply consider all possibles at this point, which include seeing if the utility is good enough that its worth having to charge much more frequently than a traditional watch? I never would have paid $800 for a new flip phone every year but I'll gladly do it with an iPhone because of the utility, just as I'll gladly pay for a modern notebook in which to write despite it needing to be charged daily when a traditional typewriter is both power-free and results in a printed work. No Mac has a printer built-in.
There simply isn't enough info right now — Tim Cook definitely did increase security — for any of us to make a personal decision based on fact so when someone comes in just a couple hours before that information is to be given to say "I don't need to try one" and "It's got some pretty serious shortcomings," with you suggesting that in 3 to 4 years from know you may consider it again, it doesn't sounds like you're being openminded at all.
You even state in one reply that the responses you're receiving aren't leaving anything open to discussion, but where did you leave it open with absolute statements about ?Watch despite never trying it and this being an editorial about ?Pay fraud. Can you not see how you set yourself for these retorts?
There is no perfect product, even the ones you came around to are deficient in some manner.
If something offers real value, it may be worth adopting new habits for (nightly recharging), rather than simply stamping one's feet in a false sense of resolve. But you won't know unless you keep an open mind. Me, I can't wait to see what they show off... history, in the making. Again.
(And what's this "us" business?)
How'd you get an advanced release of the Watch? Not a major shortcoming at all. I hate wearing a watch while sleeping.
Thanks for peeling back the curtain on this series of industry attacks; excellent article.
By paying attention to the rise of Apple over the years and all the fabricated flaps along the way, it's been a masters course in the art of message manipulation that you can extrapolate to the entire universe of modern media in whatever field that has opposing forces/vested interests.
I really enjoy reading well written and reasoned pieces like this. Keeps me coming to AI.
Good journalism. Thanks.
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Ohhhhh I get it!! March 9th is near!!!
So buy v2 then; why are you boring everyone with your distaste?
Incidentally, Apple did not state 1 day battery life in the announcement, all information about battery has been gleaned from subsequent interviews and informal comments.
Actually, Tim Cook has said that you'll get 1 day out of it.(And what's this "us" business?)
Us, as in my family.
How'd you get an advanced release of the Watch? Not a major shortcoming at all. I hate wearing a watch while sleeping.
How's that? I never said I had an advanced release of the Apple Watch. I'm just going on what Tim Cook has publicly stated the battery life of the thing is.
When one of your goals for the device on your wrist is a silent alarm to wake you, battery life of > 1 day is pretty important, so that's a pretty major shortcoming in my view.
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There simply isn't enough info right now — Tim Cook definitely did increase security — for any of us to make a personal decision based on fact so when someone comes in just a couple hours before that information is to be given to say "I don't need to try one" and "It's got some pretty serious shortcomings," with you suggesting that in 3 to 4 years from know you may consider it again, it doesn't sounds like you're being openminded at all.
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Lots of info is clear enough, like for example the dimensions of the AW.
When the watch was announced I decided to buy a watch that matched my feature list better: it had to be solar powered and be readable outdoors even in direct sunlight.
Well if you're criteria was based solely on its look, then I agree there is more then enough info to make such a superficial decision not to buy it.