Future Apple Watches could include platinum models - report

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  • Reply 21 of 36
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    Originally Posted by iaeen View Post



    The problem with this is, platinum is used with a .9 to .95 purity in jewelry. In fact, I think that, by law, you have to have .9 purity to be allowed to use a platinum hallmark and advertise a piece of jewelry as platinum.



    I wonder if Apple can make the low density ceramic with that little room to work with.



    EASY AS APPLE PIE.  After all, the original Powerbook G4 of 2001 was noted for its PLATINUM casing.

     

    1. The Apple Watch IS NOT JEWELRY.  It is a computer that you wear.  As such it doesn't have to follow the laws regarding jewelry. Bicycles with platinum tubes also don't have to follow the law for jewelry because they aren't jewelry.

     

    2. PLATINUM is also a color. 

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  • Reply 22 of 36
    solipsismysolipsismy Posts: 5,099member
    jameskatt2 wrote: »
    1. The Apple Watch IS NOT JEWELRY.  It is a computer that you wear.  As such it doesn't have to follow the laws regarding jewelry.

    Sure it is, and it sure does. Apple even filed for a Class 14 rating that specifically covers jewelry. It does not cover CE. Make no mistake, ?Watch is as firmly planted in the CE world as it is in the jewelry world.
    2. PLATINUM is also a color. 

    No one talking about ?Watch being gold or platinum are referring to the color and not the metal.
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  • Reply 23 of 36
    As far as metals that go into Jewelry, both pure Gold and Platinum are really soft...too soft to be used as a watch. Jewler's put 10% Iridium into Platinum to give it strength, they also put different amounts of Copper, Silver, Nickel and Zinc to give Gold strength depending on the Color of Gold they want.

    Another way to make the material harder is to Work-Harden, mechanically, the Alloy when they form the case...this would also make it resistant to wear....It will be interesting to hear what they tell the public about what makes their watch Alloy so different from normal 18K or jeweler's Platinum.

    The one question is how much value will the "formally owned" watches hold and how much technology will make them obsolete year after year.
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  • Reply 24 of 36
    solipsismysolipsismy Posts: 5,099member
    larrymagoo wrote: »
    As far as metals that go into Jewelry, both pure Gold and Platinum are really soft...too soft to be used as a watch. Jewler's put 10% Iridium into Platinum to give it strength, they also put different amounts of Copper, Silver, Nickel and Zinc to give Gold strength depending on the Color of Gold they want.

    Another way to make the material harder is to Work-Harden, mechanically, the Alloy when they form the case...this would also make it resistant to wear....It will be interesting to hear what they tell the public about what makes their watch Alloy so different from normal 18K or jeweler's Platinum.

    The one question is how much value will the "formally owned" watches hold and how much technology will make them obsolete year after year.

    Did you see Apple has a patent for using ceramic which makes it harder, lighter, and allows for a lot less gold by volume while still maintaining the 18-kt gold rating?
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  • Reply 25 of 36
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    EASY AS APPLE PIE.  After all, the original Powerbook G4 of 2001 was noted for its PLATINUM casing.


    You mean the PowerBook G4 Titanium? Not platinum.

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  • Reply 26 of 36
    eightzeroeightzero Posts: 3,209member
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    You mean the PowerBook G4 Titanium? Not platinum.


    Oohh....a titanium apple watch. Cool!

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  • Reply 27 of 36
    icoco3icoco3 Posts: 1,474member
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    I was hoping that LM was what they were using to alloy the gold, but that doesn't seem to be the case, unfortunately.


     

    That is my shot in the dark stock.  Cheap to buy and if it ever goes anywhere, retirement fund...hehe

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  • Reply 28 of 36
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    Certainly, but Apple's big trick with the gold is using a lot less of it (on a mass basis) due to the low density of their alloy. The result I think will be that later today, we will learn that Apple is going to sell their gold watch for significantly less than other gold watches on the market. I don't think they will be able to do the same thing with platinum.



    But the Edition is 18 carat gold. Regardless of how their alloy mixes, 18 carat means 3/4 pure gold. 3/4 is a relatively high density.

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  • Reply 29 of 36
    icoco3icoco3 Posts: 1,474member
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    The one question is how much value will the "formally owned" watches hold and how much technology will make them obsolete year after year.

     

    Would be nice to see if they will have the ability to replace the "guts" of the watch so you can upgrade to newer technology when released while keeping the older case.

     

    This could also remove the secondary market for used watches as the old guts are taken in trade.  More new watches sold going forward.

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  • Reply 30 of 36
    solipsismysolipsismy Posts: 5,099member
    mazecookie wrote: »

    But the Edition is 18 carat gold. Regardless of how their alloy mixes, 18 carat means 3/4 pure gold. 3/4 is a relatively high density.

    Yeah, 75% by weight, not by volume. Because the ceramic composite is much less dense than other materials it means by volume a lot less gold can be used while still maintainjng an 18-kt rating.
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  • Reply 31 of 36
    iaeeniaeen Posts: 588member
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    But the Edition is 18 carat gold. Regardless of how their alloy mixes, 18 carat means 3/4 pure gold. 3/4 is a relatively high density.




    Density and mass fraction are two different things.

     

    For example, if they made 10k gold alloyed with led that is  very dense they might need 2oz to make a part. That would have a total gold content of about 0.83oz. If they made the part out of a special 18k alloy that has half the density, you would only need 1oz of material to make the same part. That would only have a gold content of 0.75oz despite the material containing a higher mass fraction of gold.

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  • Reply 32 of 36
    konqerrorkonqerror Posts: 685member
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    I'm not looking into investing in gold.

     

    I'm looking into investing in a 1st generation Apple product that will be quite rare.  If the watch is $10,000+ there will be very few sold for the 1st generation.  And very few that will be in mint/unopenned box.

     

    My plan is to buy a gold watch and not open it.  Store it for 5-10 years and then sell it for 5-10x more than I bought it for.


     

    You know what the rarest first-gen Apple product is? The Apple Network Server. How about the Twentieth Anniversary Mac? Apple IIIs are all over eBay. I've found Lisas in trash heaps.

     

    The only Apple product that ever appreciated with time is the Apple I.

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  • Reply 33 of 36
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Originally Posted by Mobius View Post

    What future Apple watches?



    You know, the ones after the ones that don’t exist.

     

    Personally, I’m holding out for the rose iridium model. How dare anything on my wrist not be rarer than what anyone else has!

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  • Reply 34 of 36
    cornchipcornchip Posts: 1,954member
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    Platinum is thought to be a better metal for jewelry/watches.  When in reality, Platinum is a very dense mental but is also more malleable than 14k gold.  Platinum will scratch easier than other metals and is much heavier.  Platinum jewelry is 95% pure platinum and 14k gold has 58.5%, other alloys in 14k will make in stronger.  Now white gold will be stronger than yellow gold because of the nickle added to give it a white look. Than white gold is Rhodium (a form of Platinum) finished to bring out that bright white look.  As a former jeweler, I always advised my customers to stick with white gold over platinum and put the extra money in the diamonds/gemstones. 

     

    With the way Apple is using Liquidmetal to strengthen their alloys, I can't wait to see LQMT shoot up!! 


     

    Who said they were using Liquidmetal?

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  • Reply 35 of 36
    Time to invest in platinum.
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