To me the biggest flop is the two different chargers. Really??? They couldn't just make one size so if you and your wife have two different sizes you can use the same charger??
Hmm, let's see - the bigger watch has a bigger screen and bigger battery. Induction charging capacity is dependant on surface area - a tiny little thing called the inverse square law.
Bottom line - if you want both watches to charge in th same timeframe, the watch wih a bigger battery is going to need a bigger charger to pass more juice in the same amount of time.
But hey, forget the logical technical reasons - not near as jucy as a consipiricy theory that they are out to jam their customers :no:
How about a charger cable for the office, a chargercable for the car, a chargercabel for the living room, a chargercable for the bedroom, a travel chargercable in case you forget one of them?
Fixed that for you Might want to go watch the presentation, read the specs on the Apple website or heck just pay attention to stories here on AI. Might prevent you from embarassing yourself as bad in the future.
Any body who makes a lot of calls, or listens to a lot of music off the watch is going to need them.
Yawn. Portable devices need charging cables. You don't have USB chargers - wall or car - already in all those locations?
And now with the new MacBook you will need to buy a bunch of proprietary chargescables that 3rd party licenensees will have for half the price of Apple for it as well
Again, a little knowledge can be a valuable thing. The new MacBook is the first that has a detachable cable from the charger - a welcome trend, for Apple in particular.
including a whole bag full of port break-out dongles. Yup, Apple's got the charger business all sorted out.
Too bad your only really substantail point was buried. Then again I bought all kinds of video adapters and USB to ethernet for previous MacBook(s) and never used most of them, an the others so little that honestly I'm not worried about it for me. For those that need to hook up for presentations it will be a pain - but to get the machine that thin, it's a necessary evil. Something has to give.
Want to plug into a VGA connection without a dongle? Enjoy your Windows laptop - it's been like that for well over 10 years so not sure why this is a new issue now. Just a variation on the status quo for Mac laptops for some time now and they still sell in truckloads.
So I may be going out on a limb here in stating that it's not that big a deal. But probably not
you won't get enough watts to make it worth while. trust me -- if you've thought of these things, they have too. its insanity to believe they intentionally gimped v1 in favor of v2. they may not be a v2 if v1 doesnt do well.
I agree that the voltage may not be enough. But, 1) there doesn't need to be a lot for a %age increase of battery life, 2) voltage can be played around with.
Yes, Apple intentionally drops features from their products for future iterations. There are numerous examples, like wireless charging till it came out in Apple watch, NFC in Iphone 6 and Apple watch. There are also software features they implement late.
I'm an Apple fan but I can call them as I see them. That is how they do business and there's nothing wrong about it.
I don't have an ?Watch yet, but I do have an iPad, and and iPhone, and a MacBook, and some bluetooth accessories.
Scattered throughout my house I have multiple USB chargers in all of the places I might want to charge my current devices.
I have a charger for my 30-pin iPad which has a higher capacity than the separated charger for my lightning connector iPhone. I have a charger for my MacBook which is incompatible with both. I also have a separate charger for my bluetooth devices. I also have docks for many of my devices, with dedicated cables. You see I'm not a fan of crawling around the in the floor under furniture to swap out my cables on the wall chargers. It like to just plug the cable into my device, and make the constant charging of my many incompatible devices as easy as possible. And gosh, sometimes I like to charge more than one device at a time. I have hundreds of dollars invested in these many chargers and cables to make mobile life somewhat civilized.
Now in my car, you have a point. I only have so many power access points, yet even there I have two USB charging adapters. I don't charge my iPad in the car typically, so I have one dedicated to my Bluetooth accessory cable, and the other to my lighting cable. But now I'm finally going to have to swap out cables if I get an ?Watch, which means something doesn't get charged at the same time. Unless I buy a new charging port that will accomodate multiple cables.
So yes, for every new Proprietary Apple magnetic puck I have to buy for every location I may want to charge my ?Watch, I will also have to buy a new USB charger to plug it into, so I don't have to crawl around under furniture, or sacrifice charging something else. I only hope Apple or third parties create elegant docks for the watch, so I don't have yet another loose cable contributing to the spaghetti on my nightstand, desktops and counters. The car is already becoming and absolute mess of cables without the addition of the watch.
And we haven't even gotten to traveling. I actually carry a bag of those little usb charging cubes with me because the get lost, stolen, left behind, people borrow them and forget to give them back, etc. And again, a hotel is the last place I want to have to line up all my mobile devices for charging one after another. I need them all charged up at once, ready to go the next morning. And with the ?Watch I will need yet one more proprietary cable to carry around on those trips. That will make four dedicated cables. Actually more than one if traveling with the wife and girlfriend, since I'm sure she's gonna want to charge her watch overnight as well.
So no need to FIX my statement, or assist withh my reading skills. I, and most people who don't carry around a single USB block charger to swap out all their proprietary cables in all the places they might regularly charge their devices, will want to buy a new dedicated charger for each new cable they purchase to ease the pain of plugging in four mobile devices every night wherever they might choose to charge them. Thus, increasing the cost of each cable I buy and boosting the profits for Apple.
So yes, for every new Proprietary Apple magnetic puck I have to buy for every location I may want to charge my ?Watch
Other than your nightstand where are you really going to be charging it? Unless the battery life is significantly worse than they are predicting (and usually battery life for most people is better than their estimates) dropping it off on your nightstand is going to be more than sufficient.
I suppose people are going out of their way to figure out ways this thing can fail so they may not feel as silly when it does absolutely fine despite the "conventional wisdom" - seems silly to me.
One thing I heartily agree with you on - if Apple doesn't produce a stand that can sit on my nightstand, I'm hoping some enterprising third party creates something like the holders that they have used in the demo rooms post-haste. I have an elevation dock for my iPhone and love it (even if the iPhone 6 is more sticky unless you file down the grooves in the lightning cable) - when I come home the phone goes in the dock and syncs to my cordless phones in my home via bluetooth. Being able to drop the watch on a holder at night when I go to bed and have it automatically charge will serve the same purpose.
18 hours is fine for me, since I don't wear my watch when I'm sleeping, it's no big deal to charge it at night.
What I hate though, is Apples current trend of describing things that don't last 24 hours as "all day".
Active day versus when the owner is unconscious; versus "24 hours"., makes sense to me. I rarely pull all nighters any more.
It's a blurry thing as everyone's use pattern is different. Like Amazon's Paperwhite" described as having "8 weeks" of battery life. Then down in the fine print there's the "when used 30 minutes per day"... Going for the sizzle of that "8 weeks" rather than the steak (and a decent one at that) of 28 hours of reading time. So maybe Amazon's user survey has their device being used that 30 minutes per day on average, in which case the headline is accurate enough?
Other than your nightstand where are you really going to be charging it? Unless the battery life is significantly worse than they are predicting (and usually battery life for most people is better than their estimates) dropping it off on your nightstand is going to be more than sufficient.
I suppose people are going out of their way to figure out ways this thing can fail so they may not feel as silly when it does absolutely fine despite the "conventional wisdom" - seems silly to me.
One thing I heartily agree with you on - if Apple doesn't produce a stand that can sit on my nightstand, I'm hoping some enterprising third party creates something like the holders that they have used in the demo rooms post-haste. I have an elevation dock for my iPhone and love it (even if the iPhone 6 is more sticky unless you file down the grooves in the lightning cable) - when I come home the phone goes in the dock and syncs to my cordless phones in my home via bluetooth. Being able to drop the watch on a holder at night when I go to bed and have it automatically charge will serve the same purpose.
Yesterday I saw a kickstarter of a stand that had dual charging positions: one for the iPhone and a stand for the watch so the display on that was also visible from the front. looked clever.
This watch has become more and more intriguing to me. I may have to force myself to not buy the first iteration and wait for round two, but I really want to see one in person.
If Apple actually do this, they're dumb. But, I don't believe so. For iPhone 3-6+, different battery sizes, same charger. There's no fricking reason that Apple would make 2 different chargers with different capacities, seriously.
The detail might be whether for the two different case sizes they used the same inductive area.
So yes, for every new Proprietary Apple magnetic puck I have to buy for every location I may want to charge my ?Watch, I will also have to buy a new USB charger to plug it into, so I don't have to crawl around under furniture, or sacrifice charging something else. I only hope Apple or third parties create elegant docks for the watch, so I don't have yet another loose cable contributing to the spaghetti on my nightstand, desktops and counters. The car is already becoming and absolute mess of cables without the addition of the watch.
You have already posted many, many (many) times that you hate the design of the watch and will not be buying it (fine, your choice). But then quit the non-stop bitching and whining about price, accessories, battery life, functionality, design etc - for a device you have no intentions of buying!
It takes a certain kind of sociopath to constantly troll & post on an internet forum devoted to a company you dislike, about products you dislike, run by leadership you dislike.
and newsflash -- you won't need your iPhone on you to make apple pay purchases. your cards are in the secure enclave of the watch and transmitted over the watch's NFC antenna...not the phone's. which is useful when you're out for a jog w/o your phone (i never run w/ my phone) and want to buy a water afterward.
and much easier to wave my wrist over an airport sensor then fish for my phone in one hand.
Just be careful with the joggers passing you having an airport sensor charging you a jogging fee.
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Hmm, let's see - the bigger watch has a bigger screen and bigger battery. Induction charging capacity is dependant on surface area - a tiny little thing called the inverse square law.
Bottom line - if you want both watches to charge in th same timeframe, the watch wih a bigger battery is going to need a bigger charger to pass more juice in the same amount of time.
But hey, forget the logical technical reasons - not near as jucy as a consipiricy theory that they are out to jam their customers :no:
Fixed that for you Might want to go watch the presentation, read the specs on the Apple website or heck just pay attention to stories here on AI. Might prevent you from embarassing yourself as bad in the future.
Yawn. Portable devices need charging cables. You don't have USB chargers - wall or car - already in all those locations?
Again, a little knowledge can be a valuable thing. The new MacBook is the first that has a detachable cable from the charger - a welcome trend, for Apple in particular.
Too bad your only really substantail point was buried. Then again I bought all kinds of video adapters and USB to ethernet for previous MacBook(s) and never used most of them, an the others so little that honestly I'm not worried about it for me. For those that need to hook up for presentations it will be a pain - but to get the machine that thin, it's a necessary evil. Something has to give.
Want to plug into a VGA connection without a dongle? Enjoy your Windows laptop - it's been like that for well over 10 years so not sure why this is a new issue now. Just a variation on the status quo for Mac laptops for some time now and they still sell in truckloads.
So I may be going out on a limb here in stating that it's not that big a deal. But probably not
can you make secure, tokenized purchases with it? can you check into your airport with it?
Who cares about secure purchases with a watch, when one has an iPhone?
18 hours is just not good enough. Every Friday I get up at 6h30 am and go to sleep at 3h30am Saterday morning, that's 21 hours,
18 hours is just not good enough. Every Friday I get up at 6h30 am and go to sleep at 3h30am Saterday morning, that's 21 hours,
It depends on usage; if your usage doesn't match what they said, it could last longer (or less). Just like a smart phone.
Also, this is for the small watch. The larger watch will last longer. I'd say at least 33% longer.
you won't get enough watts to make it worth while. trust me -- if you've thought of these things, they have too. its insanity to believe they intentionally gimped v1 in favor of v2. they may not be a v2 if v1 doesnt do well.
I agree that the voltage may not be enough. But, 1) there doesn't need to be a lot for a %age increase of battery life, 2) voltage can be played around with.
Yes, Apple intentionally drops features from their products for future iterations. There are numerous examples, like wireless charging till it came out in Apple watch, NFC in Iphone 6 and Apple watch. There are also software features they implement late.
I'm an Apple fan but I can call them as I see them. That is how they do business and there's nothing wrong about it.
If I were you I'd wait for Apple watch 2.
I don't have an ?Watch yet, but I do have an iPad, and and iPhone, and a MacBook, and some bluetooth accessories.
Scattered throughout my house I have multiple USB chargers in all of the places I might want to charge my current devices.
I have a charger for my 30-pin iPad which has a higher capacity than the separated charger for my lightning connector iPhone. I have a charger for my MacBook which is incompatible with both. I also have a separate charger for my bluetooth devices. I also have docks for many of my devices, with dedicated cables. You see I'm not a fan of crawling around the in the floor under furniture to swap out my cables on the wall chargers. It like to just plug the cable into my device, and make the constant charging of my many incompatible devices as easy as possible. And gosh, sometimes I like to charge more than one device at a time. I have hundreds of dollars invested in these many chargers and cables to make mobile life somewhat civilized.
Now in my car, you have a point. I only have so many power access points, yet even there I have two USB charging adapters. I don't charge my iPad in the car typically, so I have one dedicated to my Bluetooth accessory cable, and the other to my lighting cable. But now I'm finally going to have to swap out cables if I get an ?Watch, which means something doesn't get charged at the same time. Unless I buy a new charging port that will accomodate multiple cables.
So yes, for every new Proprietary Apple magnetic puck I have to buy for every location I may want to charge my ?Watch, I will also have to buy a new USB charger to plug it into, so I don't have to crawl around under furniture, or sacrifice charging something else. I only hope Apple or third parties create elegant docks for the watch, so I don't have yet another loose cable contributing to the spaghetti on my nightstand, desktops and counters. The car is already becoming and absolute mess of cables without the addition of the watch.
And we haven't even gotten to traveling. I actually carry a bag of those little usb charging cubes with me because the get lost, stolen, left behind, people borrow them and forget to give them back, etc. And again, a hotel is the last place I want to have to line up all my mobile devices for charging one after another. I need them all charged up at once, ready to go the next morning. And with the ?Watch I will need yet one more proprietary cable to carry around on those trips. That will make four dedicated cables. Actually more than one if traveling with the wife and girlfriend, since I'm sure she's gonna want to charge her watch overnight as well.
So no need to FIX my statement, or assist withh my reading skills. I, and most people who don't carry around a single USB block charger to swap out all their proprietary cables in all the places they might regularly charge their devices, will want to buy a new dedicated charger for each new cable they purchase to ease the pain of plugging in four mobile devices every night wherever they might choose to charge them. Thus, increasing the cost of each cable I buy and boosting the profits for Apple.
Other than your nightstand where are you really going to be charging it? Unless the battery life is significantly worse than they are predicting (and usually battery life for most people is better than their estimates) dropping it off on your nightstand is going to be more than sufficient.
I suppose people are going out of their way to figure out ways this thing can fail so they may not feel as silly when it does absolutely fine despite the "conventional wisdom" - seems silly to me.
One thing I heartily agree with you on - if Apple doesn't produce a stand that can sit on my nightstand, I'm hoping some enterprising third party creates something like the holders that they have used in the demo rooms post-haste. I have an elevation dock for my iPhone and love it (even if the iPhone 6 is more sticky unless you file down the grooves in the lightning cable) - when I come home the phone goes in the dock and syncs to my cordless phones in my home via bluetooth. Being able to drop the watch on a holder at night when I go to bed and have it automatically charge will serve the same purpose.
To have something to complain about? I agree, makes no sense other than to manufacture a problem when there really isn't one.
18 hours is fine for me, since I don't wear my watch when I'm sleeping, it's no big deal to charge it at night.
What I hate though, is Apples current trend of describing things that don't last 24 hours as "all day".
Active day versus when the owner is unconscious; versus "24 hours"., makes sense to me. I rarely pull all nighters any more.
It's a blurry thing as everyone's use pattern is different. Like Amazon's Paperwhite" described as having "8 weeks" of battery life. Then down in the fine print there's the "when used 30 minutes per day"... Going for the sizzle of that "8 weeks" rather than the steak (and a decent one at that) of 28 hours of reading time. So maybe Amazon's user survey has their device being used that 30 minutes per day on average, in which case the headline is accurate enough?
Other than your nightstand where are you really going to be charging it? Unless the battery life is significantly worse than they are predicting (and usually battery life for most people is better than their estimates) dropping it off on your nightstand is going to be more than sufficient.
I suppose people are going out of their way to figure out ways this thing can fail so they may not feel as silly when it does absolutely fine despite the "conventional wisdom" - seems silly to me.
One thing I heartily agree with you on - if Apple doesn't produce a stand that can sit on my nightstand, I'm hoping some enterprising third party creates something like the holders that they have used in the demo rooms post-haste. I have an elevation dock for my iPhone and love it (even if the iPhone 6 is more sticky unless you file down the grooves in the lightning cable) - when I come home the phone goes in the dock and syncs to my cordless phones in my home via bluetooth. Being able to drop the watch on a holder at night when I go to bed and have it automatically charge will serve the same purpose.
Yesterday I saw a kickstarter of a stand that had dual charging positions: one for the iPhone and a stand for the watch so the display on that was also visible from the front. looked clever.
18 hours is just not good enough. Every Friday I get up at 6h30 am and go to sleep at 3h30am Saterday morning, that's 21 hours,
Subtract showering, pooping and having sex time, it's around 18 hrs.
If Apple actually do this, they're dumb. But, I don't believe so. For iPhone 3-6+, different battery sizes, same charger. There's no fricking reason that Apple would make 2 different chargers with different capacities, seriously.
The detail might be whether for the two different case sizes they used the same inductive area.
The detail might be whether for the two different case sizes they used the same inductive area.
Now, case size is more reasonable since the diameters are different.
So yes, for every new Proprietary Apple magnetic puck I have to buy for every location I may want to charge my ?Watch, I will also have to buy a new USB charger to plug it into, so I don't have to crawl around under furniture, or sacrifice charging something else. I only hope Apple or third parties create elegant docks for the watch, so I don't have yet another loose cable contributing to the spaghetti on my nightstand, desktops and counters. The car is already becoming and absolute mess of cables without the addition of the watch.
You have already posted many, many (many) times that you hate the design of the watch and will not be buying it (fine, your choice). But then quit the non-stop bitching and whining about price, accessories, battery life, functionality, design etc - for a device you have no intentions of buying!
It takes a certain kind of sociopath to constantly troll & post on an internet forum devoted to a company you dislike, about products you dislike, run by leadership you dislike.
so your answer is....no, no it can't.
and newsflash -- you won't need your iPhone on you to make apple pay purchases. your cards are in the secure enclave of the watch and transmitted over the watch's NFC antenna...not the phone's. which is useful when you're out for a jog w/o your phone (i never run w/ my phone) and want to buy a water afterward.
and much easier to wave my wrist over an airport sensor then fish for my phone in one hand.
Just be careful with the joggers passing you having an airport sensor charging you a jogging fee.