Apple concept would require users to input health data to keep using their iPhone

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  • Reply 21 of 52

    I understand the concept and the user impact Apple wants to achieve.

    I have an issue with degrees of "control", I will tolerate only so much.

    I love Apple products, have many and understand the functionality of their eco system.

  • Reply 22 of 52
    solipsismysolipsismy Posts: 5,099member
    sog35 wrote: »
    You will be able to opt out.

    I wouldn't assume this would be enabled by default. If this ever comes to pass it will surely be opt-in.
  • Reply 23 of 52
    knowitallknowitall Posts: 1,648member
    That's a negative take on things. As long as the initial 'vink' is voluntary the user decides.
    Speaking of which, we need the removal of several mandatory popups like very annoying battery power level alerts.
    We also need customization of the swipe up window, it would for example be nice to put selection of wifi and Bluetooth sources on it.
    (This invention of mine is free by the way.)
  • Reply 24 of 52
    adybadyb Posts: 203member
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    Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

     

     

    Benjamin Frost location: London..............

     

    makes sense now.


     

    Hang on - don't tar all of us Brits with the same brush!!! 

  • Reply 25 of 52
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    Originally Posted by Benjamin Frost View Post

     
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    Originally Posted by pmz View Post



    Clearly, this is a kind of opt-in thing that someone could choose to use for the sake of encouragement. Its not a bad idea at all. For health goals, and other things. Its like when people opt-in to the black list for casinos to help their gambling problem.



    No, Apple is not going to ship iPhones that have this turned on by default.




    Proof?

     

    Read the Patent.

     

    http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=/netahtml/PTO/search-adv.html&r=1&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&S1=(apple.AS.+AND+20150326.PD.)&OS=an/apple+and+pd/3/26/2015&RS=(AN/apple+AND+PD/20150326)

     

    It clearly outlines that this forced method of data collection is intended to be for user created reminders

  • Reply 26 of 52
    "REQUIRE users to input health data to KEEP using their iPhone"

    Oh man I bet Samsung is praying Apple to be that stupid to implement that.
  • Reply 27 of 52
    bdkennedy1bdkennedy1 Posts: 1,459member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

     

    You will be able to opt out.




    Then what's the point?

  • Reply 28 of 52
    softekysofteky Posts: 135member
    We already have streaming video apps that take control of your iOS device that force the user to watch sponsored content before playing the chosen video.

    We put up with those useless click-through screens that few people read, before getting into our applications, or indeed, before even being allowed to use our phones.

    Fingerprinting is mandatoryl before being able to use Apple-Pay.

    What about the notion that it may be dangerous to use certain health related apps that have not been provided key up-front information (or regular calibration)?

    Sure, we might be able to vote with our feet in some cases, like not using those video feeds or shunning Apple-Pay, but if we want the functionality we generally have to put up with what might be considered negative aspects of the technology.

    All I'm saying is that, of course, the mandatory aspects can be taken to extremes, but the concept of limiting user-choice has its place and is fundamental in certain circumstances.
  • Reply 29 of 52
    leonardleonard Posts: 528member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Phone-UI-Guy View Post

     

     

    Read the Patent.

     

    http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=/netahtml/PTO/search-adv.html&r=1&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&S1=(apple.AS.+AND+20150326.PD.)&OS=an/apple+and+pd/3/26/2015&RS=(AN/apple+AND+PD/20150326)

     

    It clearly outlines that this forced method of data collection is intended to be for user created reminders




    These guys don't read Patents.  They just read the rumors (this is a rumor site not a news site) and assume everything is truth.

     

    Of course this is going to be an opt-in thing.  It's probably designed for example for diabetics, as a reminder for their insulin test.

     

    As well, as someone pointed out above.  It's only a patent.  Appleinsider is adding a bunch of assumptions that Apple will use this in their iPhone.  It may never happen.  It may be redesigned.   

  • Reply 30 of 52
    leonardleonard Posts: 528member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bdkennedy1 View Post

     



    Then what's the point?




    The point is customer choice.

     

    Not everyone is a diabetic and will want insulin reminders.

     

    Not everyone is fat and will want "you need to go for a walk" or "you need to weigh yourself" reminders.

  • Reply 31 of 52
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    Originally Posted by DougD View Post



    Give me a break I sure don't want Big Brother Apple mandates

     

     

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Benjamin Frost View Post



    Apple's embrace of the liberal nanny state is now complete.



       FUD

  • Reply 32 of 52
    jfc1138jfc1138 Posts: 3,090member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Benjamin Frost View Post



    Apple's embrace of the liberal nanny state is now complete.



    The Nanny sate would be if this were the Heritage Foundation's "Mandatory Personal Responsibility" sort of feature, something that a user can simply choose to turn on or off?

     

    Notsomuch.

  • Reply 33 of 52
    jfc1138jfc1138 Posts: 3,090member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bdkennedy1 View Post

     



    Then what's the point?




    Choice.

  • Reply 34 of 52
    jfc1138jfc1138 Posts: 3,090member
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    Originally Posted by NolaMacGuy View Post

     

     

    good thing it's not a feature of any apple devices ive ever used.




    Because you're incapable of making a choice for yourself and figuring out how to turn an option On or Off?

  • Reply 35 of 52
    mjtomlinmjtomlin Posts: 2,574member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DougD View Post



    Give me a break I sure don't want Big Brother Apple mandates



    The fact that this post got 3 "Thumbs Up" demonstrates just how ignorant some people choose to remain. It takes very little thought process to understand that these "required" inputs are set up by YOU, and have nothing to do with what Apple "mandates."

     

    People may have very good intentions when taking the first step, but can be dismissive when it's time to do the work. The point of this invention is to give people the CHOICE of not allowing themselves to fall by the wayside. This is the best known way of developing habits or even unlearning bad habits.

     

    Jumping to the conclusion that Apple just wants to force you to do something is asinine. A little education (reading) can go a long in your understanding of things.

  • Reply 36 of 52
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SolipsismY View Post





    I wouldn't assume this would be enabled by default. If this ever comes to pass it will surely be opt-in.



    It would have to be. Children use iPhones and they can't be responsible for that information.

  • Reply 37 of 52
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,924member
    God no!

    Edit: it could be abused or circumstances might suddenly change.
  • Reply 38 of 52
    So here not Benjamin Frost, but me.

    Check location - it is New York City.

    Not liberal.

    Does this make sense to you now?
  • Reply 39 of 52

    Dudes!  Terrific idea!!!  So glad to see Apple doesn't care about sales anymore.  Presumably this is something you can decide not to do.  Fits in well with betterwork.com quantified work, though.  Very stoked to join my fellow slavies in the enforced use of future Apple products.  "It just works" will be changed to "you had better get back to work", in future.

  • Reply 40 of 52
    jfc1138jfc1138 Posts: 3,090member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DogCowabunga View Post

     

    Dudes!  Terrific idea!!!  So glad to see Apple doesn't care about sales anymore.  Presumably this is something you can decide not to do.  Fits in well with betterwork.com quantified work, though.  Very stoked to join my fellow slavies in the enforced use of future Apple products.  "It just works" will be changed to "you had better get back to work", in future.




    Because offering people more choices as to how to aid themselves isn't a sales positive?

     

    On what planet is  more choice not a positive?

     

    And that "enforced" drivel is just that: the only one doing the "forcing" will be yourself! Not the device manufacturer.

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