so do you use a 3x4" or an 8x10" for important stuff? cuz it sounds similar to your dads thoughts on 35mm...
On rare occasions, I do still use my old Rollei for shooting medium format film in black and white, but I'll readily admit that I've gotten so used to chimping that it actually scares me to shoot film even though I felt very secure shooting film and almost always got good results back in the day. I'd love to shoot 4x5 or 8x10, but my father's partner sold all the equipment after my father died. It's also really expensive to shoot sheet film these days and you have to special order most of it and wait until Kodak gets enough orders for them to fulfill. Last time I checked, 50 sheets of TMax 400 4x5 was $115. 5x7, 8x10 and other sheet sizes are all special order. 10 sheets of color Porta 400 4x5 is $43.
What I really wanted was one of my father's Cirkut cameras, which you could still get film for 20 years ago, although you can't get it any longer today. All I managed to get from his company was my father's banged up Nikon F3HP with a motor drive and a few prime lenses.
But for most work, I shoot with "full frame" digital and high end lenses (no kit lenses). My first digital was a Nikon D70 and looking back at those images, I could swear the color was better than what I get today with a much more expensive and higher resolution camera. But I'll also concede that carrying all my gear around is a real pain. I'm just really anal about giving up PQ for convenience.
Am I the only person here feeling something is not right? Why would LinX sell itself for only $20 million? The buyer is Apple which sole hundred of millions of iPhones with cameras.
The company compares pictures taken by its camera and iPhone and Galaxy phone. So it is already able to produce the modules? Why would it sell itself for only $20 million?
If Apple does build a GoPro like device, which would be great, I hope they can improve the performance. For instance, the current GoPro is a bit too heavy for some applications.
We Put A GoPro On A Sparrow:
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I wonder if that is an African or a European sparrow.
That is pure, unadulterated camera lens porn. 'nuff said.
We had that discussion in a different thread the other day... no need rehash it...
Would be funny if someone could create a Canon EF-lens to iPhone mount. I'd certainly buy it just for kicks and play with my L lenses on it.
I'm wishing for something along that line of thought.
A small "camera back" for the lens not much bigger then the lens cap, which houses the sensor and an SOC with necessary chips to control the focusing/aperture/shutter electronics and transfer of info and data, either via AC-Wifi or over USB-C tethering.
Add a small electronic viewfinder to the top with a button for zoom, shutter release and maybe dynamic aperture/shutter speed... and you have the equivalent of a modern-day telescope... one that captures pictures to a device in your pocket.
All further controls and software "should be" pulled out of the camera body, and released as a framework to build/integrate desktop and iOS apps.
The 2 main manufacturers Canon and Nikon (Sony) can't do software or UX to save their lives! The camera bodies themselves are superfluous mini-computers for no other reason than to facilitate in-camera processing... which most users do now far better with their phones (consumers); or through a tethered laptop/desktop (pros).
While my "idea" certainly wouldn't be for all types of hi-res pro photography... studio, product, architectural and landscape... basically anything that needs a tripod, would work beautifully.
Note: I use a few apps already to control my own and my clients cameras, mostly in studio settings. They ALL work better and are easier to use than the built-in camera functions. Recently I tech-assisted a photographer and talked him into letting me dictate the settings from the Canon EOS utility, since I was monitoring the shoot and ingesting to Lightroom anyway... why not?... so he could just concentrate on directing and clicking. Worked out well, and we want to do it again. This time using CameraOne instead. Technically, the camera body itself didn't even need to be there.... if there was another alternative to housing the electronics.
We had that discussion in a different thread the other day... no need rehash it...
I'm wishing for something along that line of thought.
A small "camera back" for the lens not much bigger then the lens cap, which houses the sensor and an SOC with necessary chips to control the focusing/aperture/shutter electronics and transfer of info and data, either via AC-Wifi or over USB-C tethering.
Add a small electronic viewfinder to the top with a button for zoom, shutter release and maybe dynamic aperture/shutter speed... and you have the equivalent of a modern-day telescope... one that captures pictures to a device in your pocket.
All further controls and software "should be" pulled out of the camera body, and released as a framework to build/integrate desktop and iOS apps.
The 2 main manufacturers Canon and Nikon (Sony) can't do software or UX to save their lives! The camera bodies themselves are superfluous mini-computers for no other reason than to facilitate in-camera processing... which most users do now far better with their phones (consumers); or through a tethered laptop/desktop (pros).
While my "idea" certainly wouldn't be for all types of hi-res pro photography... studio, product, architectural and landscape... basically anything that needs a tripod, would work beautifully.
You mean something like the Olympus Air A01 seen on the end of this setup?:
It connects to a phone via WiFi and that acts as the viewfinder etc.
OMG!!! How did I miss that in all of my blog feeds?!***
Just searched it out and will be preoccupied for the next hour or so.... THANKS A LOT!
**** To be honest I've been quite busy the last few weeks and have marked just about all of my feeds as "read" because they were beyond catching up with. :smokey:
Edit after research: definitely something along these lines, however I still think the lens-hub should be able to be used without a smartphone mount... like a telescope in my "wish upon a star" scenario. Thanks again though for giving hope to my dreams. Someone will do it
Most of the difference comes from light sensitivity. Smartphones can reach high enough resolutions to compete with DSLR for sharpness. If the smartphone moves to a multi-lens setup then it will improve further, it can use multiple sensors and new sensor materials for improved sensitivity. Graphene was tested to be 10x better than current sensors:
Even if DSLRs use the same technology, it can reach a point where people can't tell the difference. It's not that the difference won't be there but it won't matter. If a smartphone gets 10x more sensitive to light and a DSLR then jumps to 50x, people likely won't be able to tell the difference between 10x and 50x output except in very specific tests.
The term 'DSLR-quality' doesn't mean the same quality as the best DSLR just as it isn't a qualifier for the weakest DSLR either. To be DSLR quality, the iPhone only has to be comparable to the weakest DSLR, which isn't a Canon 5D.
OMG!!! How did I miss that in all of my blog feeds?!***
Just searched it out and will be preoccupied for the next hour or so.... THANKS A LOT!
**** To be honest I've been quite busy the last few weeks and have marked just about all of my feeds as "read" because they were beyond catching up with.
Edit after research: definitely something along these lines, however I still think the lens-hub should be able to be used without a smartphone mount... like a telescope in my "wish upon a star" scenario. Thanks again though for giving hope to my dreams. Someone will do it
You're welcome. Not quite sure what you mean by smartphone mount. You can stick the air on a tripod and be using it via a smartphone from across a studio or in the next room. It does use a M4/3 sensor so it isn't FF but you can mount almost any lens via adapters - Nikon, Canon, C mount, OM, Leica, etc, etc. Being an Open Source platform, it shouldn't be too long before someone has software to operate it that runs on OSX, Linux etc.
I wish they wouldn't use tech from Israeli companies. It makes me feel really bad about using Apple products.
Agreed! Ignore comments who stand up for Israeli aggression, there's no justification for that. We all know it's nigh on impossible to completely avoid products made on occupied territory but I would imagine Tim Cook is only concerned about the bottom line and not wanting to get involved in politics. Unless it's speaking out against homophobia that is.
It's already here. If you've ever looked at what has to happen to the pixels captured by a sensor these days, it's quite clear that a lot of computational power has to be behind every photo that is taken.
That is truer than people realize I suspect, even pros at times. Using a Canon DSLR in Av or Tv modes for example is phenomenally powerful, seemingly giving the shooter total control ... but it is over only one aspect of the light. That tiny brain is doing all the calculations for all the other factors. It is something we take for granted now. I often think back to the 1960's and 70's with early SLRs just so I can appreciate how amazing modern camera technology really is. It is only getting better. Very exciting times.
I'm telling you this...9 out of 10 users with entry DSRL for home use don't care crap about the lenses, but use whatever come with the package. Their pictures taken with those DSRL and cheap lenses are craps compared to those by these guys in National Geographic with iPhone 6+.
15 years ago, who would say point and shoot cameras will be killed by phone camera? It did already. With more technologies coming in, we will soon see the death of home use DSRL.
You are correct, the cheap kit lenses that ship are probably no better than and may even be worse than the iPhone's latest and soon to be technology, I suspect the 9 out of 10 may be generous . I like your use of the term Home here although there are some of us at home who are mostly hobbyists now that cling to the high end simply due to past life experiences. I love my Canon bodies and L lenses but also love my iDevice technology. Best of both worlds.
Great thread guys. I always love reading the Apple / Photo posts so many smart people on AI.
And you use that L for your "home" DSRL? How many "Home" DSRL user have that kind of lenses? Please, you're talking about Pro or Semi Pro here. I'm talking about home average Joe.
Of course, that was posted early on 'tongue in cheek' as I was pointing out the L white lenses would look great on an iPhone
I've only got into L lenses this last year or two after a lifetime of wondering what the big deal was. Now, in semi retirement I at last know. OMG! :smokey:
You are correct, the cheap kit lenses that ship are probably no better than and may even be worse than the iPhone's latest and soon to be technology
While the kit lenses are nothing special, they really won't hold you back in most cases. This was taken with the 18-55 Canon kit lens, and this shot isn't even possible on an iPhone:
I should have added '..in the hands of the average Joe ...' when i said that.
Awesome image to be sure. That said, the same image taken using a higher end Canon body and lens would have been even better one has to think. I follow Sharleen Chao on Flickr and have for a long time. She progressed from a mid range Canon with kit lenses over the years to a Canon 5D III and L lenses. There is, as we both know, a reason for that. I can recommend her highly BTW.
I should have added '..in the hands of the average Joe ...' when i said that.
Awesome image to be sure. That said, the same image taken using a higher end Canon body and lens would have been even better one has to think. I follow Sharleen Chao on Flickr and have for a long time. She progressed from a mid range Canon with kit lenses over the years to a Canon 5D III and L lenses. There is, as we both know, a reason for that. I can recommend her highly BTW.
Yeah, many photographers amaze me, with any gear. I have a couple niche areas where I do good work, but some people just see things that I had no idea could be captured. I was just happy to get to a skill level where my Rebel was actually holding me back.
That Milky Way image could be improved with a homemade barn-door tracker even more than with a better lens (though you'd want to look at not composing with any terrestrial features at that point).
Am I the only person here feeling something is not right? Why would LinX sell itself for only $20 million? The buyer is Apple which sole hundred of millions of iPhones with cameras.
The company compares pictures taken by its camera and iPhone and Galaxy phone. So it is already able to produce the modules? Why would it sell itself for only $20 million?
I'm guessing that the owners if this company got Apple stock options and very good pay as employees... The options exist so they'd stay with Apple for awhile. Not sure how that's value but it can be worth quite a bit.
Do your research and you will see Israel is a hot bed for tech so forget about not just Apple products, but Microsoft, Intel and almost all other areas of tech from storage to batteries have come from this country.
A country that is modern, democratic, favorable to all ethnicities , sexual orientation, race colour and creed. A country where Palestinians and Israeli Arabs are treated better than Palestinians and Arabs in most other countries in the surrounding areas
..A country that is modern, democratic, favorable to all ethnicities..
As long as you don't mind them destroying your home and putting you out on the street!
It is NOT "DSLR Quality". Typical tech-hype from people banking on people being too ignorant to know better. AI should know better than to give this shop headline cred with such bullsh!t claims.
A 35mm SLR sensor will flat-out always beat some tiny 1/4th of a fingernail-sized sensor. It's plain physics. The large surface area will always be better at collecting the maximum amount of light than some tiny peephole. Couple that with a good lens, again... huge glass to collect light, and it's a no brainer.
I love my iP6+ and it takes wonderful photos. Anything to make those little cameras even better is great for me, and great for everyone. That being said, it is nowhere near the quality I get with my 35mm Canon 5D Mark III on a bad day. Assuming the 35mm segment stops innovating from this point forward, perhaps in 5 years it could be better, but its not going to happen. It will just be 35mm mirrorless cameras or even more high-end dSLR sensors, but that market is not standing still at all.
Next AI headline... "Mini Cooper boasts Lamborghini-like results". Why not AI? It's about as nonsense as your headline.
I agree that bigger sensors = better pictures
This is why I wish that APPLE would make a APC size camera capable of taking either 96 Mega pixels or 24 Mega pixels that would be based on IOS with only two buttons: ON/OFF and Shutter Button. It should come with great autofocus, OIS, Wifi, GPS, BT and Flash builtin.
In camera storage should be at least 64 GB, 128 GB or 256 GB with at least 4GB RAM . The camera should also support 4K video. In addition it should have 3x optical Zoom with 4x digital Zoom. With a 4.7 in screen it could provide touch based apps for controlling settings before pictures and for post processing. As Apple has done before focus on ease of operation. The only ports would be USB 3.1 Type C, Audio IN, and Audio OUT. Ideally it would go for no more than $2,000.00.
That being said this deal could end up being as significant as AuthenTec or may not play out like the GT Advanced deal.
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so do you use a 3x4" or an 8x10" for important stuff?
On rare occasions, I do still use my old Rollei for shooting medium format film in black and white, but I'll readily admit that I've gotten so used to chimping that it actually scares me to shoot film even though I felt very secure shooting film and almost always got good results back in the day. I'd love to shoot 4x5 or 8x10, but my father's partner sold all the equipment after my father died. It's also really expensive to shoot sheet film these days and you have to special order most of it and wait until Kodak gets enough orders for them to fulfill. Last time I checked, 50 sheets of TMax 400 4x5 was $115. 5x7, 8x10 and other sheet sizes are all special order. 10 sheets of color Porta 400 4x5 is $43.
What I really wanted was one of my father's Cirkut cameras, which you could still get film for 20 years ago, although you can't get it any longer today. All I managed to get from his company was my father's banged up Nikon F3HP with a motor drive and a few prime lenses.
But for most work, I shoot with "full frame" digital and high end lenses (no kit lenses). My first digital was a Nikon D70 and looking back at those images, I could swear the color was better than what I get today with a much more expensive and higher resolution camera. But I'll also concede that carrying all my gear around is a real pain. I'm just really anal about giving up PQ for convenience.
Am I the only person here feeling something is not right? Why would LinX sell itself for only $20 million? The buyer is Apple which sole hundred of millions of iPhones with cameras.
The company compares pictures taken by its camera and iPhone and Galaxy phone. So it is already able to produce the modules? Why would it sell itself for only $20 million?
I wonder if that is an African or a European sparrow.
so do you use a 3x4" or an 8x10" for important stuff?
What a lot of people don't realise is that full frame digital (35mm equivalent sensor) is the new medium format.
I have a camera with a sensor 1/4 the size of a FF DSLR and I know from using it to scan 35mm slides that it outperforms that medium by quite a bit.
We had that discussion in a different thread the other day... no need rehash it...
I'm wishing for something along that line of thought.
A small "camera back" for the lens not much bigger then the lens cap, which houses the sensor and an SOC with necessary chips to control the focusing/aperture/shutter electronics and transfer of info and data, either via AC-Wifi or over USB-C tethering.
Add a small electronic viewfinder to the top with a button for zoom, shutter release and maybe dynamic aperture/shutter speed... and you have the equivalent of a modern-day telescope... one that captures pictures to a device in your pocket.
All further controls and software "should be" pulled out of the camera body, and released as a framework to build/integrate desktop and iOS apps.
The 2 main manufacturers Canon and Nikon (Sony) can't do software or UX to save their lives! The camera bodies themselves are superfluous mini-computers for no other reason than to facilitate in-camera processing... which most users do now far better with their phones (consumers); or through a tethered laptop/desktop (pros).
While my "idea" certainly wouldn't be for all types of hi-res pro photography... studio, product, architectural and landscape... basically anything that needs a tripod, would work beautifully.
Note: I use a few apps already to control my own and my clients cameras, mostly in studio settings. They ALL work better and are easier to use than the built-in camera functions. Recently I tech-assisted a photographer and talked him into letting me dictate the settings from the Canon EOS utility, since I was monitoring the shoot and ingesting to Lightroom anyway... why not?... so he could just concentrate on directing and clicking. Worked out well, and we want to do it again. This time using CameraOne instead. Technically, the camera body itself didn't even need to be there.... if there was another alternative to housing the electronics.
We had that discussion in a different thread the other day... no need rehash it...
I'm wishing for something along that line of thought.
A small "camera back" for the lens not much bigger then the lens cap, which houses the sensor and an SOC with necessary chips to control the focusing/aperture/shutter electronics and transfer of info and data, either via AC-Wifi or over USB-C tethering.
Add a small electronic viewfinder to the top with a button for zoom, shutter release and maybe dynamic aperture/shutter speed... and you have the equivalent of a modern-day telescope... one that captures pictures to a device in your pocket.
All further controls and software "should be" pulled out of the camera body, and released as a framework to build/integrate desktop and iOS apps.
The 2 main manufacturers Canon and Nikon (Sony) can't do software or UX to save their lives! The camera bodies themselves are superfluous mini-computers for no other reason than to facilitate in-camera processing... which most users do now far better with their phones (consumers); or through a tethered laptop/desktop (pros).
While my "idea" certainly wouldn't be for all types of hi-res pro photography... studio, product, architectural and landscape... basically anything that needs a tripod, would work beautifully.
You mean something like the Olympus Air A01 seen on the end of this setup?:
It connects to a phone via WiFi and that acts as the viewfinder etc.
OMG!!! How did I miss that in all of my blog feeds?!***
Just searched it out and will be preoccupied for the next hour or so.... THANKS A LOT!
**** To be honest I've been quite busy the last few weeks and have marked just about all of my feeds as "read" because they were beyond catching up with. :smokey:
Edit after research: definitely something along these lines, however I still think the lens-hub should be able to be used without a smartphone mount... like a telescope in my "wish upon a star" scenario. Thanks again though for giving hope to my dreams. Someone will do it
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/10/smartphone-camera-vs-dslr/2/
and here's a video test with the iPhone 6:
[VIDEO]
Most of the difference comes from light sensitivity. Smartphones can reach high enough resolutions to compete with DSLR for sharpness. If the smartphone moves to a multi-lens setup then it will improve further, it can use multiple sensors and new sensor materials for improved sensitivity. Graphene was tested to be 10x better than current sensors:
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/157082-graphene-sensor-is-1000-times-more-sensitive-to-light-could-enable-ultra-low-light-photography
Even if DSLRs use the same technology, it can reach a point where people can't tell the difference. It's not that the difference won't be there but it won't matter. If a smartphone gets 10x more sensitive to light and a DSLR then jumps to 50x, people likely won't be able to tell the difference between 10x and 50x output except in very specific tests.
The term 'DSLR-quality' doesn't mean the same quality as the best DSLR just as it isn't a qualifier for the weakest DSLR either. To be DSLR quality, the iPhone only has to be comparable to the weakest DSLR, which isn't a Canon 5D.
OMG!!! How did I miss that in all of my blog feeds?!***
Just searched it out and will be preoccupied for the next hour or so.... THANKS A LOT!
**** To be honest I've been quite busy the last few weeks and have marked just about all of my feeds as "read" because they were beyond catching up with.
Edit after research: definitely something along these lines, however I still think the lens-hub should be able to be used without a smartphone mount... like a telescope in my "wish upon a star" scenario. Thanks again though for giving hope to my dreams. Someone will do it
You're welcome. Not quite sure what you mean by smartphone mount. You can stick the air on a tripod and be using it via a smartphone from across a studio or in the next room. It does use a M4/3 sensor so it isn't FF but you can mount almost any lens via adapters - Nikon, Canon, C mount, OM, Leica, etc, etc. Being an Open Source platform, it shouldn't be too long before someone has software to operate it that runs on OSX, Linux etc.
I wish they wouldn't use tech from Israeli companies. It makes me feel really bad about using Apple products.
Agreed! Ignore comments who stand up for Israeli aggression, there's no justification for that. We all know it's nigh on impossible to completely avoid products made on occupied territory but I would imagine Tim Cook is only concerned about the bottom line and not wanting to get involved in politics. Unless it's speaking out against homophobia that is.
That is truer than people realize I suspect, even pros at times. Using a Canon DSLR in Av or Tv modes for example is phenomenally powerful, seemingly giving the shooter total control ... but it is over only one aspect of the light. That tiny brain is doing all the calculations for all the other factors. It is something we take for granted now. I often think back to the 1960's and 70's with early SLRs just so I can appreciate how amazing modern camera technology really is. It is only getting better. Very exciting times.
You are correct, the cheap kit lenses that ship are probably no better than and may even be worse than the iPhone's latest and soon to be technology, I suspect the 9 out of 10 may be generous
Great thread guys. I always love reading the Apple / Photo posts so many smart people on AI.
Of course, that was posted early on 'tongue in cheek' as I was pointing out the L white lenses would look great on an iPhone
I've only got into L lenses this last year or two after a lifetime of wondering what the big deal was. Now, in semi retirement I at last know. OMG! :smokey:
You are correct, the cheap kit lenses that ship are probably no better than and may even be worse than the iPhone's latest and soon to be technology
While the kit lenses are nothing special, they really won't hold you back in most cases. This was taken with the 18-55 Canon kit lens, and this shot isn't even possible on an iPhone:
https://500px.com/photo/64955209/milky-way-over-mt-cimone-by-marco-stoppazzini
I should have added '..in the hands of the average Joe ...' when i said that.
Awesome image to be sure. That said, the same image taken using a higher end Canon body and lens would have been even better one has to think. I follow Sharleen Chao on Flickr and have for a long time. She progressed from a mid range Canon with kit lenses over the years to a Canon 5D III and L lenses. There is, as we both know, a reason for that. I can recommend her highly BTW.
I should have added '..in the hands of the average Joe ...' when i said that.
Awesome image to be sure. That said, the same image taken using a higher end Canon body and lens would have been even better one has to think. I follow Sharleen Chao on Flickr and have for a long time. She progressed from a mid range Canon with kit lenses over the years to a Canon 5D III and L lenses. There is, as we both know, a reason for that. I can recommend her highly BTW.
Yeah, many photographers amaze me, with any gear. I have a couple niche areas where I do good work, but some people just see things that I had no idea could be captured. I was just happy to get to a skill level where my Rebel was actually holding me back.
That Milky Way image could be improved with a homemade barn-door tracker even more than with a better lens (though you'd want to look at not composing with any terrestrial features at that point).
Am I the only person here feeling something is not right? Why would LinX sell itself for only $20 million? The buyer is Apple which sole hundred of millions of iPhones with cameras.
The company compares pictures taken by its camera and iPhone and Galaxy phone. So it is already able to produce the modules? Why would it sell itself for only $20 million?
I'm guessing that the owners if this company got Apple stock options and very good pay as employees... The options exist so they'd stay with Apple for awhile. Not sure how that's value but it can be worth quite a bit.
Do your research and you will see Israel is a hot bed for tech so forget about not just Apple products, but Microsoft, Intel and almost all other areas of tech from storage to batteries have come from this country.
A country that is modern, democratic, favorable to all ethnicities , sexual orientation, race colour and creed. A country where Palestinians and Israeli Arabs are treated better than Palestinians and Arabs in most other countries in the surrounding areas
..A country that is modern, democratic, favorable to all ethnicities..
As long as you don't mind them destroying your home and putting you out on the street!
It is NOT "DSLR Quality". Typical tech-hype from people banking on people being too ignorant to know better. AI should know better than to give this shop headline cred with such bullsh!t claims.
A 35mm SLR sensor will flat-out always beat some tiny 1/4th of a fingernail-sized sensor. It's plain physics. The large surface area will always be better at collecting the maximum amount of light than some tiny peephole. Couple that with a good lens, again... huge glass to collect light, and it's a no brainer.
I love my iP6+ and it takes wonderful photos. Anything to make those little cameras even better is great for me, and great for everyone. That being said, it is nowhere near the quality I get with my 35mm Canon 5D Mark III on a bad day. Assuming the 35mm segment stops innovating from this point forward, perhaps in 5 years it could be better, but its not going to happen. It will just be 35mm mirrorless cameras or even more high-end dSLR sensors, but that market is not standing still at all.
Next AI headline... "Mini Cooper boasts Lamborghini-like results". Why not AI? It's about as nonsense as your headline.
I agree that bigger sensors = better pictures
This is why I wish that APPLE would make a APC size camera capable of taking either 96 Mega pixels or 24 Mega pixels that would be based on IOS with only two buttons: ON/OFF and Shutter Button. It should come with great autofocus, OIS, Wifi, GPS, BT and Flash builtin.
In camera storage should be at least 64 GB, 128 GB or 256 GB with at least 4GB RAM . The camera should also support 4K video. In addition it should have 3x optical Zoom with 4x digital Zoom. With a 4.7 in screen it could provide touch based apps for controlling settings before pictures and for post processing. As Apple has done before focus on ease of operation. The only ports would be USB 3.1 Type C, Audio IN, and Audio OUT. Ideally it would go for no more than $2,000.00.
That being said this deal could end up being as significant as AuthenTec or may not play out like the GT Advanced deal.