Google to discontinue YouTube support on older iOS devices, Apple TVs

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  • Reply 21 of 67
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,769member
    HA! I predict they would go back on what they said. I knew the days of ad-free YouTube were numbered.
    http://time.com/3815196/youtube-paid-subscription-no-ads/
    "YouTube said Wednesday (April 8th) it will soon launch a new subscription-based service that will let users watch videos on the website without annoying ads interrupting the clips.

    The streaming video website, which is owned by Google, reportedly disclosed the planned paid service in an e-mail sent to producers of top video content and obtained by various media outlets."
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  • Reply 22 of 67
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post



    The Usual Suspects defending Google.

    I really don't know why this is so hard for you to understand. YouTube is not a stand alone app. It has to connect to the service. The service has been updated and the old software is no longer compatible. This was announced to developers over a year ago. Whose fault is it if the developers, like Apple, decided not to rewrite their app on the old ?TV? Google didn't write that app, Apple did and Apple decided not to renew it because they never cater to customers with old hardware for more than a couple of years.

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  • Reply 23 of 67
    jbdragonjbdragon Posts: 2,315member

    I think this is all because of their PAID service!!!!   The last thing I'd ever do is PAY for youtube!!!    I'm not going to get on them for not supporting AppleTV 2.  The AppleTV3 has the new and first generation Apple A4 processor.  This is like the Original iPad and then later versions.  The First gen iPad just got dropped pretty quickly by Apple!   Apple really needs a new AppleTV with a App store.  Then we can end of these worthless channels being thrown on my system that I then have to remove because I don't have a freeken Cable subscription and will never get one again.  Not for TV for sure.

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  • Reply 24 of 67
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,769member
    jbdragon wrote: »
    I think this is all because of their PAID service!!!!   The last thing I'd ever do is PAY for youtube!!!
    There's folks here that have said they'd prefer to pay for a service if it meant no ads. I would think Google would get props for moving ever so slightly away from relying so heavily on ads and user monetization and instead charge (and pay royalties) for things like music and video.
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  • Reply 25 of 67
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JBDragon View Post

     

     I'm not going to get on them for not supporting AppleTV 2. 


    Apple writes ALL the software for ?TV. When ?TV 3 received an OS and firmware update ?TV 2 did not. On the new ?TV,  YouTube will work fine because it was written for v3 API by Apple. This is entirely an Apple problem which they have known about for more than a year and decided that they would not bother to support v3 API on the older hardware.

     

    Edit: Interestingly, the YouTube app on the App Store says it is compatible with iOS 6 and above and it is dated March 26, 2015. They clearly stated in the EOL notification that it would only work on iOS 7 +

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  • Reply 26 of 67
    dempsondempson Posts: 62member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nobodyy View Post

     

    Is Apple not updating applications on the ? TV 2?

     

    Has it gotten any of the channel changes they've been making?


    The 2nd generation Apple TV stopped getting software updates before the release of iOS 8 and Apple TV software version 7.0 (September 2014). Its last software update which included security fixes was Apple TV 6.1.2, at the end of June 2014. Its architecture (based on the A4 processor) corresponds to the iPhone 4, which Apple stopped updating at the same time.

     

    I don't know if the 2nd generation Apple TV got any of the channel changes, but I expect a YouTube API change would require a software update, which is very unlikely. I recall "late" software updates for the iPhone 3GS and a similar age iPod Touch to fix a security issue and a FaceTime compatibility issue, but Apple is unlikely to go to special effort to fix a third party service on a device that was superseded just over three years ago.

     

    The 3rd generation Apple TV has had at least six software updates between September 2014 and April 2015 (only counting the ones with security fixes).

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  • Reply 27 of 67
    nobodyynobodyy Posts: 377member
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    Originally Posted by dempson View Post

     

    The 2nd generation Apple TV stopped getting software updates before the release of iOS 8 and Apple TV software version 7.0 (September 2014). Its last software update which included security fixes was Apple TV 6.1.2, at the end of June 2014. Its architecture (based on the A4 processor) corresponds to the iPhone 4, which Apple stopped updating at the same time.

     

    I don't know if the 2nd generation Apple TV got any of the channel changes, but I expect a YouTube API change would require a software update, which is very unlikely. I recall "late" software updates for the iPhone 3GS and a similar age iPod Touch to fix a security issue and a FaceTime compatibility issue, but Apple is unlikely to go to special effort to fix a third party service on a device that was superseded just over three years ago.

     

    The 3rd generation Apple TV has had at least six software updates between September 2014 and April 2015 (only counting the ones with security fixes).




    Ah there's the answer. I wasn't aware the ATV 2 stopped receiving updates. Now that makes sense. 

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  • Reply 28 of 67
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    I can understand this, (/s) ... it's not as if Google's clients don't all have the latest version of Android is it?

    ROFL

    Stand by for Google's resident troll advocate, Gatorguy, to post links to prove Android user update ...

    It doesn't say anything about Android phones being affected.
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  • Reply 29 of 67
    eriamjheriamjh Posts: 1,847member

    "When you stand still, the rest of the world passes you by."

     

    It was bound to happen.

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  • Reply 30 of 67
    MacPromacpro Posts: 19,873member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    It doesn't say anything about Android phones being affected.

    Yes, sorry that was a bit obtuse ... I meant, I was assuming the older Android ones would still work ... as if not that's the majority!
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  • Reply 31 of 67

    I dislike this forced obsolescence. Typical evil google.

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  • Reply 32 of 67
    larryalarrya Posts: 608member
    Here's why this seems like bad news to me:

    1) it confirms the reasoning of conspiracy theorists who always ascribe profit motives as to why phone x cannot do y instead of thinking about technological and performance limitations.
    2) people (ok, I can only speak for myself) don't replace appliances like they do phones, especially subsidized phones. Yes, 4-years is completely appropriate, even generous, for phone support, but this is not a phone that I plan on replacing every two years.
    3) Apple wants people to hand over a lot of money (outside of the Sport version) for a watch, and if it is only supported for 4-years, its marketing as high quality, timeless jewelry is undermined.
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  • Reply 33 of 67
    jpellinojpellino Posts: 713member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TechProd1gy View Post



    If you are holding onto devices longer than 3 years then I cannot imagine this being that important to you. Aren't some of the devices in question 6 years old? Move along. Move along.



    Huh.  I have a late 2009 MacBook that runs 10.10.x just fine.  I routinely run Apple hardware for 5 years - 3 on AppleCare and two on Novenas.  So machine age per se is not a deal breaker.  My AppleTV Gen2 that runs everything else that a Gen3 does, only at 720 and without BT AirPlay.  Nothing of either of those spec differences seems to lock out YouTube.  Not sure why having older models means native YouTube is unimportant.  

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  • Reply 34 of 67
    jpellinojpellino Posts: 713member

    Trying hard to imagine what they could be changing in YouTube's API that is beyond an AppleTV Gen2.  API 3 seems to be a superset of 2... sounds like it's time to follow the money.  

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  • Reply 35 of 67
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    I dislike this forced obsolescence. Typical evil google.

    How many devices are running iOS 6 or under?
    400
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  • Reply 36 of 67
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    It doesn't say anything about Android phones being affected.

    YouTube relies on the Google play services plugin. Its a bandaid Google did yo keep all androids on relatively the same software APIs despite the lack of timely updates
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  • Reply 37 of 67
    calicali Posts: 3,494member
    I'm waiting for an Apple alternative to YouTube.

    YouTube is crap and finding the content you need can be like finding a needle in a haystack.
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  • Reply 38 of 67
    Say it ain't so, We are going to have to AirPlay YouTube from our iPhones, iPads or iMac to our 2nd generation Apple TV, it's a cold hard world out there.
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  • Reply 39 of 67
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    Say it ain't so, We are going to have to AirPlay YouTube from our iPhones, iPads or iMac to our 2nd generation Apple TV, it's a cold hard world out there.


    Mirroring is available with iPhone 4s or later; iPad 2 or later; iPad mini; iPod touch (5th generation); and iMac (Mid 2011 or newer), Mac mini (Mid 2011 or newer), MacBook Air (Mid 2011 or newer), MacBook Pro (Early 2011 or newer), and Mac Pro (Late 2013) with OS X Mountain Lion or later.
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  • Reply 40 of 67
    davendaven Posts: 782member
    [B][/B]Many Panasonic and Sony TVs will no longer be supported. This Google makes a strong case as why you should not bother with smart TVs. They get obsoleted relatively quickly. You are better off buying a mid-range TV and an external media box.

    I wonder if my rooted ATV2 will still be able to show YouTube using XBMC?
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