Quite apart from the fact that it's condescending bs (especially towards the 'third' world) it is irrelevant to the points he's making.
Please make an effort to respond intelligently, or go somewhere else to vent your snark.
It maybe condescending but not to the 'third' world where, I'm guessing, both of us came from. If I go back to the home country and do that stürm-und-drang routine going on and on about how I was not able to buy the latest thousand-dollar gadget on the day I was made to believe it would be available (which is the gist of the post), believe you me everyone would stare at me with disbelief and contempt.
I'd say what is condescending to people in the third world is to imply that our problems here are just as burdensome and overwhelming as their problems there. Which is what you do when you assert that drawing a distinction between 1st world and 3rd world problems is somehow 'condescending' to people in the third world.
Now that I think about it.. it wasn't much of launch day at all.. because nothing was launched. No customer went home with an rMB or Apple watch. In reality, it was a "preorder" day. And if this is the method of operation going forward.. then Apple needs to do a better job communicating with customers that on what used to be "launch" day.. the store is only for trials & questions. As others have suggested. This backwards thinking never would have happened up Steve Job's watch. If there's anything that SJ nailed.. was getting the little things right and paying much attention to detail and the customer's experience from purchase to technical support.
HOLY SHIT! ANOTHER CLOSE PERSONAL FRIEND OF STEVE JOBS! ladies and gentlemen...may i present to you -- "Dawekwan", a man who was closer to the deceased Steve Jobs than Jony Ive or Tim Cook! a man who spent so much time w/ this generation's greatest business thinker that it has all rubbed off on him! a man who must surely have his own memoir forthcoming of inside stories on his time w/ Jobs....
what? whats that you say? you...never knew him? had never even met him, or even spent time in the same room? why...then....then you must be...A GHOST WHISPERER! yes, ladies and gentlemen, may i present to you -- a man who CAN READ THE ETHERIAL MIND OF THE DECEASED! please, please people, no crowding of the great "Dawekean", our gentle ghost talker!
The only thing that I have a problem with is when naysayers proclaim Steve Jobs would agree with their naysaying. Whether sincere or not, it's a very, very, very common tactic in the forums, and I will always view it with suspicion. If you're going to invoke the name Steve Jobs to back you up, I'm going to need to see citations.
I am missing it, but what does someone's posting vintage on AppleInsider have to do with whether they know Apple well or not? Are you saying there's a correlation between bloviating on blogs (like you and I do) and knowledge of SJ or Apple!?
I'm saying only fucktools claims to know what a dead man they'd never met thinks or would do. most of the tools on AI are newbie trolls from other sites. this one proves no different.
are you some sort of troll defender now?
Get a grip. Name-calling just makes you sound stupid.
Get a grip. Name-calling just makes you sound stupid.
I've noticed you say the same thing to others -- when they call you out on your absurdity, you say "get a grip", "you sound stupid", etc.
thank you for your concern, but no, I'm not worried about sounding stupid. the defense of a STEVE-JOBS-WOULD-NEVER troll is the only stupid sounding thing i can think of.
ill stand by my abstract "name-calling" -- only fucktools claim to know what a dead man theyve never met would do or think. it's a complete impossibility.
She screwed up her first big shot- they should've had them on display for a week, let people figure out which ones they wanted first and then did an online-only preorder but made sure everyone in the stores knew about it.
The first big failure of Tim was to hire Angela Ahrendts. She doesn't understand Apple. She thinks she is in the runway sitting next to Wintour.
In her life she has ever sold 200 million of 1 or or the line of Burberry's. What a big mess from Tim and this lady. I predict she is out in less than 1 year.
The first big failure of Tim was to hire Angela Ahrendts. She doesn't understand Apple. She thinks she is in the runway sitting next to Wintour. In her life she has ever sold 200 million of 1 or or the line of Burberry's. What a big mess from Tim and this lady. I predict she is out in less than 1 year.
what utter and complete nonsense. unless you're an apple exec in hiding, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. none. other than being female, i can't imagine what you could possible deem to be a failure about her -- she doesnt manufacture the constrained inventory that she cannot sell.
id ask you to ban yourself if your wager was false, but you only have 4 posts to your name. er.
How can you possibly pick her side? The newbie poster was correct- she has this alpha personality that's attractive in the business world but has never backed it up with the smarts. She tries hard, I'll give her that, but mistakes like this can't hide her BS. This was a flat out failure due to a simple lack of foresight and planning, which is the job she gets paid more than you (assuming) or I (for sure) to do. Why defend someone not deserving?
It maybe condescending but not to the 'third' world where, I'm guessing, both of us came from. If I go back to the home country and do that stürm-und-drang routine going on and on about how I was not able to buy the latest thousand-dollar gadget on the day I was made to believe it would be available (which is the gist of the post), believe you me everyone would stare at me with disbelief and contempt.
I'd say what is condescending to people in the third world is to imply that our problems here are just as burdensome and overwhelming as their problems there. Which is what you do when you assert that drawing a distinction between 1st world and 3rd world problems is somehow 'condescending' to people in the third world.
Thanks for the attempt at a thoughtful post (I really mean that, fwiw).
There are a lot of reasonably well-off people or aspirants to good products at a good price with good quality in the 'third' world (which, btw, is a condescending phrase to begin with) who might get annoyed with what they think is a botched product introduction, as there are incredibly poor people in the so-called first world who could never afford a product like this with the welfare and food stamps they live on. It's lazy to make generalizations like you did.
Moreover, the post was a very thoughtful one, and worthy of a thoughtful response, instead of dismissive snark. You don't have to agree with a post, but you can surely make the effort to be a bit more than what comes through as sweeping condescension.
How can you possibly pick her side? The newbie poster was correct- she has this alpha personality that's attractive in the business world but has never backed it up with the smarts. She tries hard, I'll give her that, but mistakes like this can't hide her BS. This was a flat out failure due to a simple lack of foresight and planning, which is the job she gets paid more than you (assuming) or I (for sure) to do. Why defend someone not deserving?
1) do you understand who it is you're talking about? she was a smashing success of a CEO at her previous gig. there is no "BS" behind her, just solid experience. let me know when we're reading profiles about your business successes.
2) as the retail store manager, she has no influence over the amount of inventory available to sell. why does this even need to be explained?
3) reading about things on a rumors site does not an expert you make.
Moreover, the post was a very thoughtful one, and worthy of a thoughtful response, instead of dismissive snark. You don't have to agree with a post, but you can surely make the effort to be a bit more than what comes through as sweeping condescension.
sorry, but i think we've all seen our share of STEVE-JOB-WOULD-NEVER posts on this site and others like it. theres very little credence to them, and they dont deserve thoughtful consideration. its a form of trolling. ghost-trolling.
I've noticed you say the same thing to others -- when they call you out on your absurdity, you say "get a grip", "you sound stupid", etc.
thank you for your concern, but no, I'm not worried about sounding stupid. the defense of a STEVE-JOBS-WOULD-NEVER troll is the only stupid sounding thing i can think of.
ill stand by my abstract "name-calling" -- only fucktools claim to know what a dead man theyve never met would do or think. it's a complete impossibility.
To say 'get a grip' especially to someone who's throwing around rants laden with four letter words -- like the above -- is not name-calling.
When and where did someone decide that any reference to SJ and what he might have thought or said is tantamount to trolling? What makes you think you get to make the rules? Are you really saying that one cannot make a reference to a historical (in tne sense of now passed) figure ever? Under what circumstances can one do that, if at all? Btw, would that also apply to someone living if they have not met him, or have got to know him? Are you saying that all references to any person, living or dead, should meet the "have you met him" test? You've never made a reasonable attribution like that yourself in this forum, ever?
For the compensation she received, this was botched. She is known for wanting to make online and offline seamless. But this launch did not work. Either you have a try on period offline and then you launch it online a few weeks later. Or you have a proper simultaneous launch where the watch is available online and offline at the same time.
Ordering online first and *afterwards* trying it on at a store (when it is essentially no longer available online) is the worse of both worlds. What were they thinking?
She May be good, but she is not apple good yet. I don't think she had any idea of how overwhelm she was going to be.
sorry, but i think we've all seen our share of STEVE-JOB-WOULD-NEVER posts on this site and others like it. theres very little credence to them, and they dont deserve thoughtful consideration. its a form of trolling. ghost-trolling.
That's a totally knee-jerk reaction. Not very different from trolling, in my book
To say 'get a grip' especially to someone who's throwing around rants laden with four letter words -- like the above -- is not name-calling.
When and where did someone decide that any reference to SJ and what he might have thought or said is tantamount to trolling? What makes you think you get to make the rules? Are you really saying that one cannot make a reference to a historical (in tne sense of now passed) figure ever? Under what circumstances can one do that, if at all? Btw, would that also apply to someone living if they have not met him, or have got to know him? Are you saying that all references to any person, living or dead, should meet the "have you met him" test? You've never made a reasonable attribution like that yourself in this forum, ever?
yeah, you got it man -- if you say "[some dead person we cannot ask to verify said statements] WOULD NEVER DO [some thing you wouldnt do]", it is the lowest form of discussion, and is in effect a form of trolling, akin to concern-trolling. it's a lie. it's what the speaker would never do, not the dead person he/she is attributing the comment to.
if it were at least a living person one could go back and ask that person what they would do.
if for example i said, "ABE LINCOLN WOULD NEVER TOLERATE PIRATES!" -- its a completely worthless statement because 1) i have no idea what Abe Lincoln would have done. 2) you can't ask him and validate it.
That's a totally knee-jerk reaction. Not very different from trolling, in my book
theres nothing knee-jerk about that sentiment at all. it's not an emotional response to something new, which is what knee-jerk means. it's the conclusion that I've come to after many years of reading utter nonsense by people who then attribute it to a source that cannot be verified.
Couldn't agree more. Apple has always had hiccups with launches, and that is par for the course. In fact, it's part of the fun.
In this case, in an effort to look and be more civilized (although I honestly don't see what the big deal is, since those who line up do so became they want to), things were moved online. Fair enough. Unfortunately there was almost nothing online for the promised date even a minute or two after the store opening. That was incredibly frustrating for a lot of folks. Even those who got in within the minute (like I did) were told to wait until June for our first choice (black SS/back clasp). That was a bit surprising. Early deliveries were essentially something weasely like a two week window.
It's not the end of the world, and probably trivial in the larger scheme of things, but I think Apple could have done better. Much better.
Apple could not do better than suppliers LG and AAC and who knows who else.
Same with that retina screen on the MacBook. My impression is that it is a new backplane technology, in contrast to what this AI article says. In other words, we know too little to say what the issue is on constrained supply.
I went into my local Apple store today (Tuesday) to try on a Watch just to make sure what I had preordered was going to be what I really want. I had a lovely experience; the Apple rep took over 30 minutes (they weren't that busy) to let me try on a few different bands and chatted about the watch and Apple things in general.
Of interest, the stainless steel Watch is not as heavy as I anticipated - it felt quite light in fact - compared to my other normal stainless steel watches I have at home. Playing with the new User Interface: it is obvious that some practice time will be required to intuitively know what gesture or button press or deep press on the screen or crown twist I need to do to advance to the next place where I want to go. However, I'm itching to try running a Keynote presentation from the watch - that should look like magic when doing a presentation!
After seeing a preorder doppelgänger sitting on my wrist, I left the store feeling totally satisfied that I had made the right choice in my online preorder, so now I can just relax and wait for the watch to arrive.
One curious conversation I overheard from the guy ahead of me at the watch display who was talking with the Apple rep: apparently IBM employees may get a discount on their watch purchases!
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Quite apart from the fact that it's condescending bs (especially towards the 'third' world) it is irrelevant to the points he's making.
Please make an effort to respond intelligently, or go somewhere else to vent your snark.
It maybe condescending but not to the 'third' world where, I'm guessing, both of us came from. If I go back to the home country and do that stürm-und-drang routine going on and on about how I was not able to buy the latest thousand-dollar gadget on the day I was made to believe it would be available (which is the gist of the post), believe you me everyone would stare at me with disbelief and contempt.
I'd say what is condescending to people in the third world is to imply that our problems here are just as burdensome and overwhelming as their problems there. Which is what you do when you assert that drawing a distinction between 1st world and 3rd world problems is somehow 'condescending' to people in the third world.
HOLY SHIT! ANOTHER CLOSE PERSONAL FRIEND OF STEVE JOBS! ladies and gentlemen...may i present to you -- "Dawekwan", a man who was closer to the deceased Steve Jobs than Jony Ive or Tim Cook! a man who spent so much time w/ this generation's greatest business thinker that it has all rubbed off on him! a man who must surely have his own memoir forthcoming of inside stories on his time w/ Jobs....
what? whats that you say? you...never knew him? had never even met him, or even spent time in the same room? why...then....then you must be...A GHOST WHISPERER! yes, ladies and gentlemen, may i present to you -- a man who CAN READ THE ETHERIAL MIND OF THE DECEASED! please, please people, no crowding of the great "Dawekean", our gentle ghost talker!
you seem to be quite sympathic to the "STEVE JOBS WOULD NEVER!" trolls on this site. curious.
this is the proper response to Steve-Jobs-trolls.
Get a grip. Name-calling just makes you sound stupid.
I've noticed you say the same thing to others -- when they call you out on your absurdity, you say "get a grip", "you sound stupid", etc.
thank you for your concern, but no, I'm not worried about sounding stupid. the defense of a STEVE-JOBS-WOULD-NEVER troll is the only stupid sounding thing i can think of.
ill stand by my abstract "name-calling" -- only fucktools claim to know what a dead man theyve never met would do or think. it's a complete impossibility.
She screwed up her first big shot- they should've had them on display for a week, let people figure out which ones they wanted first and then did an online-only preorder but made sure everyone in the stores knew about it.
The first big failure of Tim was to hire Angela Ahrendts. She doesn't understand Apple. She thinks she is in the runway sitting next to Wintour.
In her life she has ever sold 200 million of 1 or or the line of Burberry's. What a big mess from Tim and this lady. I predict she is out in less than 1 year.
what utter and complete nonsense. unless you're an apple exec in hiding, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. none. other than being female, i can't imagine what you could possible deem to be a failure about her -- she doesnt manufacture the constrained inventory that she cannot sell.
id ask you to ban yourself if your wager was false, but you only have 4 posts to your name. er.
Thanks for the attempt at a thoughtful post (I really mean that, fwiw).
There are a lot of reasonably well-off people or aspirants to good products at a good price with good quality in the 'third' world (which, btw, is a condescending phrase to begin with) who might get annoyed with what they think is a botched product introduction, as there are incredibly poor people in the so-called first world who could never afford a product like this with the welfare and food stamps they live on. It's lazy to make generalizations like you did.
Moreover, the post was a very thoughtful one, and worthy of a thoughtful response, instead of dismissive snark. You don't have to agree with a post, but you can surely make the effort to be a bit more than what comes through as sweeping condescension.
1) do you understand who it is you're talking about? she was a smashing success of a CEO at her previous gig. there is no "BS" behind her, just solid experience. let me know when we're reading profiles about your business successes.
2) as the retail store manager, she has no influence over the amount of inventory available to sell. why does this even need to be explained?
3) reading about things on a rumors site does not an expert you make.
sorry, but i think we've all seen our share of STEVE-JOB-WOULD-NEVER posts on this site and others like it. theres very little credence to them, and they dont deserve thoughtful consideration. its a form of trolling. ghost-trolling.
To say 'get a grip' especially to someone who's throwing around rants laden with four letter words -- like the above -- is not name-calling.
When and where did someone decide that any reference to SJ and what he might have thought or said is tantamount to trolling? What makes you think you get to make the rules? Are you really saying that one cannot make a reference to a historical (in tne sense of now passed) figure ever? Under what circumstances can one do that, if at all? Btw, would that also apply to someone living if they have not met him, or have got to know him? Are you saying that all references to any person, living or dead, should meet the "have you met him" test? You've never made a reasonable attribution like that yourself in this forum, ever?
C'mon....
She May be good, but she is not apple good yet. I don't think she had any idea of how overwhelm she was going to be.
That's a totally knee-jerk reaction. Not very different from trolling, in my book
yeah, you got it man -- if you say "[some dead person we cannot ask to verify said statements] WOULD NEVER DO [some thing you wouldnt do]", it is the lowest form of discussion, and is in effect a form of trolling, akin to concern-trolling. it's a lie. it's what the speaker would never do, not the dead person he/she is attributing the comment to.
if it were at least a living person one could go back and ask that person what they would do.
if for example i said, "ABE LINCOLN WOULD NEVER TOLERATE PIRATES!" -- its a completely worthless statement because 1) i have no idea what Abe Lincoln would have done. 2) you can't ask him and validate it.
theres nothing knee-jerk about that sentiment at all. it's not an emotional response to something new, which is what knee-jerk means. it's the conclusion that I've come to after many years of reading utter nonsense by people who then attribute it to a source that cannot be verified.
Apple could not do better than suppliers LG and AAC and who knows who else.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Apple-Watch-production-hampered-by-shortages-related-to-the-Taptic-Engine-and-the-OLED-screen_id68308
Same with that retina screen on the MacBook. My impression is that it is a new backplane technology, in contrast to what this AI article says. In other words, we know too little to say what the issue is on constrained supply.
I went into my local Apple store today (Tuesday) to try on a Watch just to make sure what I had preordered was going to be what I really want. I had a lovely experience; the Apple rep took over 30 minutes (they weren't that busy) to let me try on a few different bands and chatted about the watch and Apple things in general.
Of interest, the stainless steel Watch is not as heavy as I anticipated - it felt quite light in fact - compared to my other normal stainless steel watches I have at home. Playing with the new User Interface: it is obvious that some practice time will be required to intuitively know what gesture or button press or deep press on the screen or crown twist I need to do to advance to the next place where I want to go. However, I'm itching to try running a Keynote presentation from the watch - that should look like magic when doing a presentation!
After seeing a preorder doppelgänger sitting on my wrist, I left the store feeling totally satisfied that I had made the right choice in my online preorder, so now I can just relax and wait for the watch to arrive.
One curious conversation I overheard from the guy ahead of me at the watch display who was talking with the Apple rep: apparently IBM employees may get a discount on their watch purchases!