Port for battery connectivity to external batteries in modular band?...
I'd say it's to load software on, possibly through a special induction connector given that it's screwed shut on the inside. Every product they make has an external port to be able to load the operating system on. They could install software onto a chip and then assemble the product and seal it up and use a wireless transfer but if something went wrong or they needed to apply a firmware update, wireless transfer might lock them out and they'd have to disassemble the product.
Can't wait to hear complaints about how it's not fixable.
Some people were hoping the internals could be upgraded with successive revisions. This layout suggests that no upgrades will be possible so you just have to buy another one, even at $10k-17k, and sell the old one on eBay or similar. It means that whatever model you get will depreciate around the same levels as their other products from one year to the next so a steel model might be $1000 today but under $400 in 3 years.
Port for battery connectivity to external batteries in modular band?...
I'd say it's to load software on, possibly through a special induction connector given that it's screwed shut on the inside. Every product they make has an external port to be able to load the operating system on. They could install software onto a chip and then assemble the product and seal it up and use a wireless transfer but if something went wrong or they needed to apply a firmware update, wireless transfer might lock them out and they'd have to disassemble the product.
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Can't wait to hear complaints about how it's not fixable.
Some people were hoping the internals could be upgraded with successive revisions. This layout suggests that no upgrades will be possible so you just have to buy another one, even at $10k-17k, and sell the old one on eBay or similar. It means that whatever model you get will depreciate around the same levels as their other products from one year to the next so a steel model might be $1000 today but under $400 in 3 years.
There's no reason the S1 module can't be swapped out to upgrade the watch... newer modules can be more powerful and yet no larger. Apple has it all thought out...
There's no reason the S1 module can't be swapped out to upgrade the watch... newer modules can be more powerful and yet no larger. Apple has it all thought out...
Yeah not being an engineer myself I'm wondering what exactly in the teardown points to no upgrades being possible?
I'd say it's to load software on, possibly through a special induction connector given that it's screwed shut on the inside. Every product they make has an external port to be able to load the operating system on. They could install software onto a chip and then assemble the product and seal it up and use a wireless transfer but if something went wrong or they needed to apply a firmware update, wireless transfer might lock them out and they'd have to disassemble the product.
Some people were hoping the internals could be upgraded with successive revisions. This layout suggests that no upgrades will be possible so you just have to buy another one, even at $10k-17k, and sell the old one on eBay or similar. It means that whatever model you get will depreciate around the same levels as their other products from one year to the next so a steel model might be $1000 today but under $400 in 3 years.
Got the feeling that the higher end models, would deprecate a bit slower and that watches would depreciate slower than phones.
Phone are about 50% of their initial value after 3 years.
I'd guess that the sport one in good condition, which for aluminium is not a given (we will see how durable the casing is in use),
would be worth about the same (maybe a bit more for the esthetic value).
Say, $185-$215 after 3 years.
By the same argument, the steel watch (maybe needs a bit of polishing) could be worth 60-65% ($300-$350).
The gold watch will probbaly be worth 80-90% ($8000-$9000) of its initial price (100-120% if they become collectable) in 3 years.
BTW, you don't need to sell the bands, the $500 band is probably the thing that will retain its value the most and you should certainly keep it and just sell the body. That the great thing with this. Yes, right now you have to spend $1000 for a nice watch, but in the future, the expenses are maybe $550 every 2-3 years. If you can sell the case for $300, the cost per year becomes $250, not much at all.
Got the feeling that the higher end models, would deprecate a bit slower and that watches would depreciate slower than phones.
Phone are about 50% of their initial value after 3 years.
I'd guess that the sport one in good condition, which for aluminium is not a given (we will see how durable the casing is in use),
would be worth about the same (maybe a bit more for the esthetic value).
Say, $185-$215 after 3 years.
By the same argument, the steel watch (maybe needs a bit of polishing) could be worth 60-65% ($300-$350).
The gold watch will probbaly be worth 80-90% ($8000-$9000) of its initial price (100-120% if they become collectable) in 3 years.
BTW, you don't need to sell the bands, the $500 band is probably the thing that will retain its value the most and you should certainly keep it and just sell the body. That the great thing with this. Yes, right now you have to spend $1000 for a nice watch, but in the future, the expenses are maybe $550 every 2-3 years. If you can sell the case for $300, the cost per year becomes $250, not much at all.
In what shape will the battery be after three years of daily charging? And how will the hardware cope with smartwatch software three years from now? The value of a smartwatch derives mostly from its capabilities as a miniature computer, and all computer hardware eventually become obsolete.
Interesting guess. Considering the position of the port, may be some possibility for this.
For sleep tracking I imagine a comfortable band with minimal electronics and battery that you would wear through the night. When you attach it the data would be transferred to the watch.
this is unacceptable. Where's the floppy drive so I can load CricketDraw? Come on Apple...don't you guys realize that some of us are stuck in the past!
Why do people keep asking for swappable/upgradable hardware on Apple Watch? Is your Omega or Rolex upgradable? How about your iPhone?
Exactly and let us not forget how expensive those watches are to maintain. It costs me $500 for a Rolex dealer to service my watch, that means change the crystal and clean the watch. The costs add up from there for any replacement parts or repairs plus labor. My last service came in at around $1,000.
There's no reason the S1 module can't be swapped out to upgrade the watch... newer modules can be more powerful and yet no larger. Apple has it all thought out...
That has always been what I assumed would be the case. Although I have yet to read anything to back that theory up. have you?
The EU will declare that this is actually a portable device (ala MP3 players and cell phones) that must comply with the directive that all such devices must have a standard USB charging port for interchangeability, after which all such 'Watch' devices not using mechanical gears must also have a USB charging port.
Are you insulting ifixit? Their tear down guides and support forums have saved me hundreds of dollars in repair fees, so I'm not understanding what your beef with them might possibly be.
I can't speak for others but for me they served a great purpose back in another era. When we did pull our Macs to pieces and change parts out. Today's Apple products by enlarge are different, just as looking under the hood of a modern car is compared to the old days when anyone could strip down an engine with a few tools. In those days cars were highly unreliable, today's are extremely reliable for the most part but not for the average Joe to tinker with. The same is true of Apple gear. So the problem with iFixit is they criticize this and give low marks (and fodder for Apple haters) simply because they are from the era of changing your own spark plugs to stretch the car metaphor another mile. This is why many of us are poking fun. They try to make the strength of Apple's new designs seem like weaknesses and it is no different from the corner garage grease monkey moaning that a 2015 BMW engine is crap because he is not able to fiddle with the carburetor manually.
The EU will declare that this is actually a portable device (ala MP3 players and cell phones) that must comply with the directive that all such devices must have a standard USB charging port for interchangeability, after which all such 'Watch' devices not using mechanical gears must also have a USB charging port.
They just posted this "Apple Watch found to be compliant with Qi wireless charging standard" so I guess we are OK without one in Europe
Got the feeling that the higher end models, would deprecate a bit slower and that watches would depreciate slower than phones.
It's all down to the upgrade cycle. Mac Pros retain their value better because of the slow upgrade cycle. If upgrades come every year then depreciation rates should be similar to Macs/iPhones (about 25% per year or so).
I'd guess that the sport one in good condition, which for aluminium is not a given (we will see how durable the casing is in use),
would be worth about the same (maybe a bit more for the esthetic value).
Say, $185-$215 after 3 years.
I think it would drop a little more because the choice would be between a 3 year old Sport model for ~$200 and a brand new one with new straps and warranty for $350.
The gold watch will probbaly be worth 80-90% ($8000-$9000) of its initial price (100-120% if they become collectable) in 3 years.
There's no way these are going to appreciate in value. They'll have a brand new gold model in 3 years. Depreciation can be lessened due to the limited availability but I could still see a used one going for under $6k in 3 years.
BTW, you don't need to sell the bands, the $500 band is probably the thing that will retain its value the most and you should certainly keep it and just sell the body. That the great thing with this. Yes, right now you have to spend $1000 for a nice watch, but in the future, the expenses are maybe $550 every 2-3 years. If you can sell the case for $300, the cost per year becomes $250, not much at all.
Yeah if they keep the connector size the same then keeping the straps will help lower the upgrade cost.
Exactly and let us not forget how expensive those watches are to maintain. It costs me $500 for a Rolex dealer to service my watch, that means change the crystal and clean the watch. The costs add up from there for any replacement parts or repairs plus labor. My last service came in at around $1,000.
It makes sense considering what it takes to open one up but it seems a bit much to pay $229 to service a $349 watch. You're only going to end up with a used watch after the service so you'd be better off selling it as spares and buying a brand new one.
I guarantee that the gold and stainless models will have the option to upgrade the internals.
Its going to be expensive - probably north of $300
Quite a bit north I suspect. Keep going until you see snow on the ground. Their service fee for the gold one is $3599. No way a full upgrade would be less than that, which is pointless because the value difference between a new one and the old one would be comparable.
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I'd say it's to load software on, possibly through a special induction connector given that it's screwed shut on the inside. Every product they make has an external port to be able to load the operating system on. They could install software onto a chip and then assemble the product and seal it up and use a wireless transfer but if something went wrong or they needed to apply a firmware update, wireless transfer might lock them out and they'd have to disassemble the product.
Some people were hoping the internals could be upgraded with successive revisions. This layout suggests that no upgrades will be possible so you just have to buy another one, even at $10k-17k, and sell the old one on eBay or similar. It means that whatever model you get will depreciate around the same levels as their other products from one year to the next so a steel model might be $1000 today but under $400 in 3 years.
Port for battery connectivity to external batteries in modular band?...
I'd say it's to load software on, possibly through a special induction connector given that it's screwed shut on the inside. Every product they make has an external port to be able to load the operating system on. They could install software onto a chip and then assemble the product and seal it up and use a wireless transfer but if something went wrong or they needed to apply a firmware update, wireless transfer might lock them out and they'd have to disassemble the product.
Can't wait to hear complaints about how it's not fixable.
Some people were hoping the internals could be upgraded with successive revisions. This layout suggests that no upgrades will be possible so you just have to buy another one, even at $10k-17k, and sell the old one on eBay or similar. It means that whatever model you get will depreciate around the same levels as their other products from one year to the next so a steel model might be $1000 today but under $400 in 3 years.
There's no reason the S1 module can't be swapped out to upgrade the watch... newer modules can be more powerful and yet no larger. Apple has it all thought out...
Yeah not being an engineer myself I'm wondering what exactly in the teardown points to no upgrades being possible?
Yeah not being an engineer myself I'm wondering what exactly in the teardown points to no upgrades being possible?
In another article they mention that they had to destroy a few things to get the S1 out
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I have to have the full version of Microsoft office or this thing is completely useless.
Throw in a CAD program and we just might have something....
I'd say it's to load software on, possibly through a special induction connector given that it's screwed shut on the inside. Every product they make has an external port to be able to load the operating system on. They could install software onto a chip and then assemble the product and seal it up and use a wireless transfer but if something went wrong or they needed to apply a firmware update, wireless transfer might lock them out and they'd have to disassemble the product.
Some people were hoping the internals could be upgraded with successive revisions. This layout suggests that no upgrades will be possible so you just have to buy another one, even at $10k-17k, and sell the old one on eBay or similar. It means that whatever model you get will depreciate around the same levels as their other products from one year to the next so a steel model might be $1000 today but under $400 in 3 years.
Got the feeling that the higher end models, would deprecate a bit slower and that watches would depreciate slower than phones.
Phone are about 50% of their initial value after 3 years.
I'd guess that the sport one in good condition, which for aluminium is not a given (we will see how durable the casing is in use),
would be worth about the same (maybe a bit more for the esthetic value).
Say, $185-$215 after 3 years.
By the same argument, the steel watch (maybe needs a bit of polishing) could be worth 60-65% ($300-$350).
The gold watch will probbaly be worth 80-90% ($8000-$9000) of its initial price (100-120% if they become collectable) in 3 years.
BTW, you don't need to sell the bands, the $500 band is probably the thing that will retain its value the most and you should certainly keep it and just sell the body. That the great thing with this. Yes, right now you have to spend $1000 for a nice watch, but in the future, the expenses are maybe $550 every 2-3 years. If you can sell the case for $300, the cost per year becomes $250, not much at all.
Got the feeling that the higher end models, would deprecate a bit slower and that watches would depreciate slower than phones.
Phone are about 50% of their initial value after 3 years.
I'd guess that the sport one in good condition, which for aluminium is not a given (we will see how durable the casing is in use),
would be worth about the same (maybe a bit more for the esthetic value).
Say, $185-$215 after 3 years.
By the same argument, the steel watch (maybe needs a bit of polishing) could be worth 60-65% ($300-$350).
The gold watch will probbaly be worth 80-90% ($8000-$9000) of its initial price (100-120% if they become collectable) in 3 years.
BTW, you don't need to sell the bands, the $500 band is probably the thing that will retain its value the most and you should certainly keep it and just sell the body. That the great thing with this. Yes, right now you have to spend $1000 for a nice watch, but in the future, the expenses are maybe $550 every 2-3 years. If you can sell the case for $300, the cost per year becomes $250, not much at all.
In what shape will the battery be after three years of daily charging? And how will the hardware cope with smartwatch software three years from now? The value of a smartwatch derives mostly from its capabilities as a miniature computer, and all computer hardware eventually become obsolete.
For sleep tracking I imagine a comfortable band with minimal electronics and battery that you would wear through the night. When you attach it the data would be transferred to the watch.
Gotta run Flash too!
this is unacceptable. Where's the floppy drive so I can load CricketDraw? Come on Apple...don't you guys realize that some of us are stuck in the past!
Exactly and let us not forget how expensive those watches are to maintain. It costs me $500 for a Rolex dealer to service my watch, that means change the crystal and clean the watch. The costs add up from there for any replacement parts or repairs plus labor. My last service came in at around $1,000.
That has always been what I assumed would be the case. Although I have yet to read anything to back that theory up. have you?
I can't speak for others but for me they served a great purpose back in another era. When we did pull our Macs to pieces and change parts out. Today's Apple products by enlarge are different, just as looking under the hood of a modern car is compared to the old days when anyone could strip down an engine with a few tools. In those days cars were highly unreliable, today's are extremely reliable for the most part but not for the average Joe to tinker with. The same is true of Apple gear. So the problem with iFixit is they criticize this and give low marks (and fodder for Apple haters) simply because they are from the era of changing your own spark plugs to stretch the car metaphor another mile. This is why many of us are poking fun. They try to make the strength of Apple's new designs seem like weaknesses and it is no different from the corner garage grease monkey moaning that a 2015 BMW engine is crap because he is not able to fiddle with the carburetor manually.
They just posted this "Apple Watch found to be compliant with Qi wireless charging standard" so I guess we are OK without one in Europe
An Omega or Rolex isn't technologically outdated in a year. The iPhone doesn't cost $17000.
It's all down to the upgrade cycle. Mac Pros retain their value better because of the slow upgrade cycle. If upgrades come every year then depreciation rates should be similar to Macs/iPhones (about 25% per year or so).
I think it would drop a little more because the choice would be between a 3 year old Sport model for ~$200 and a brand new one with new straps and warranty for $350.
There's no way these are going to appreciate in value. They'll have a brand new gold model in 3 years. Depreciation can be lessened due to the limited availability but I could still see a used one going for under $6k in 3 years.
Yeah if they keep the connector size the same then keeping the straps will help lower the upgrade cost.
Apple's service charges are pretty high too:
http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/04/10/apple-watch-repair-costs-applecare-plans-try-on-experiences-detailed-as-preorders-mount
https://support.apple.com/kb/index?page=servicefaq&geo=US&product=applewatch&select=ADVANCE_REPLACEMENT
It makes sense considering what it takes to open one up but it seems a bit much to pay $229 to service a $349 watch. You're only going to end up with a used watch after the service so you'd be better off selling it as spares and buying a brand new one.
Quite a bit north I suspect. Keep going until you see snow on the ground. Their service fee for the gold one is $3599. No way a full upgrade would be less than that, which is pointless because the value difference between a new one and the old one would be comparable.