the wage inequality is staggering. although i think they key is not to pay the executives less but to pay the workers more. apple can certainly afford it...only they prioritize their profits into cash holdings and returning capital to investors.
Since she got that for six months, we might project that she will get $166 mil for a full year. At the time I retired I was earning about $100,000 a year, and felt very grateful and privileged to get it. Can we say that her contributions to society are 1,660 times greater than mine? Or yours? A question worth pondering.
Who cares how much she make or any other executive makes. If that's what the market calls for, that's what is going to be paid. I think it's great that anyone who does the right things can have the opportunity to make that much money. There's a difference between the higher paid people and the lower paid people. It's been like that since the begging of time and will continue to be like that forever.
Social Security, Medicare, and even the five-day work week were socialist pipe dreams at one time. Call me when the majority of Americans are ready to scrap them.
We can, and should, dream of improving the lives of our fellow humans. We may disagree on the best way to do this, but dismissing ideas out of hand is ridiculous.
Contrary to common belief, most executive jobs are not doable by the average person.
That depends upon what you mean by average. The fact of the matter is there are 100's of thousands of businesses ran by people just as capable but earning far less. Frankly there isn't much difference between a used car dealer and a Fortune 500 executive.
Since she got that for six months, we might project that she will get $166 mil for a full year. At the time I retired I was earning about $100,000 a year, and felt very grateful and privileged to get it. Can we say that her contributions to society are 1,660 times greater than mine? Or yours? A question worth pondering.
You really need to take off the liberal blinders you have on. Much of this is a one time make good compensation package.
the wage inequality is staggering. although i think they key is not to pay the executives less but to pay the workers more. apple can certainly afford it...only they prioritize their profits into cash holdings and returning capital to investors.
Socialist pipe dream. Ridiculous.
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Ah, Social Darwinism is alive and well.
Social Security, Medicare, and even the five-day work week were socialist pipe dreams at one time. Call me when the majority of Americans are ready to scrap them.
We can, and should, dream of improving the lives of our fellow humans. We may disagree on the best way to do this, but dismissing ideas out of hand is ridiculous.
Get rid of all of them if it will help put a stop to the highway to hell we're currently on.
For such a generally progressive company, Apple seems oddly unmoved when it comes to wage disparity between worker bees and queens. Save the whales; screw the shrimp?
If you want the best, you pay the best. It's that simple. Or do you want Apple to hire second rate management?
Social Security, Medicare, and even the five-day work week were socialist pipe dreams at one time. Call me when the majority of Americans are ready to scrap them.
We can, and should, dream of improving the lives of our fellow humans. We may disagree on the best way to do this, but dismissing ideas out of hand is ridiculous.
I want them gone. Social InSecurity and Medicare contribute to the 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities facing this country.
I want them gone. Social InSecurity and Medicare contribute to the 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities facing this country.
So what do you propose we should do with our infirmed elderly? Make Soilent Green?
I can think of a few countries on the planet that still do not provide similar programs for their citizens. Perhaps you should consider moving to one of them.
Who cares how much she make or any other executive makes. If that's what the market calls for, that's what is going to be paid. I think it's great that anyone who does the right things can have the opportunity to make that much money. There's a difference between the higher paid people and the lower paid people. It's been like that since the beginning of time and will continue to be like that forever.
I care. Wealth isn't some abstraction that has no consequence. In a democracy married to a market economy it translates to political power and control over the conditions of my life. Wealth is power, and it is irresponsible and antidemocratic to distribute that power so unequally. It is indicative of pretty severe brainwashing to see the situation dismissed with nothing but an homage to the vagaries of an anthropomorphized market. The very wealthy realize this growing power and are, for the first time in this country, openly articulating antidemocratic political opinions without any hint of embarrassment.
There was no market at the beginning of time. Production for exchange is a relatively recent human development requiring the advent of industrialization to reach its present all encompassing form. It will cease when automation debases capital. Machines cannot produce profit. Capital is a social relationship. Without people seeking payment in exchange for labor power it loses all meaning. Look at music. Once it can be produced for almost nothing per unit consumed, its exchange value drops to 0 and has to be artificially bolstered by campaigns against "stealing" that stretch the definition to protecting revenue streams for a production method it no longer requires. Or in other words, supply increases to the point that natural market prices can no longer sustain anticipated profit rates and must be artificially imposed. And that is not freedom or capitalism. It's extortion taking the appearance of capitalism in order to protect entrenched interests.
I care. Wealth isn't some abstraction that has no consequence. In a democracy married to a market economy it translates to political power and control over the conditions of my life. Wealth is power, and it is irresponsible and antidemocratic to distribute that power so unequally. It is indicative of pretty severe brainwashing to see the situation dismissed with nothing but an homage to the vagaries of an anthropomorphized market. The very wealthy realize this growing power and are, for the first time in this country, openly articulating antidemocratic political opinions without any hint of embarrassment.
No. I'm on my way to making great money and have the potential to make much more. More than I'll ever need or my kids will need. I don't want that taken away from me or anyone else for that matter. I came from nothing. I used to be homeless when I was young. I worked hard in every way possible and now I'm reaping the rewards of my determination, perseverance and hard work. Everyone should have that for them and they do. Some just choose a different path. Mind you, I'm going to give most of my money away to for things I care about but that's my choice not someone else's.
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Contrary to common belief most executive jobs are doable for less than 83mil.
Contrary to common belief, it's not up to "common belief" to determine who gets how much for what.
I must be doing something wrong with my life....
Hey, someone getting at least half a clue!
the wage inequality is staggering. although i think they key is not to pay the executives less but to pay the workers more. apple can certainly afford it...only they prioritize their profits into cash holdings and returning capital to investors.
Socialist pipe dream. Ridiculous.
Since she got that for six months, we might project that she will get $166 mil for a full year. At the time I retired I was earning about $100,000 a year, and felt very grateful and privileged to get it. Can we say that her contributions to society are 1,660 times greater than mine? Or yours? A question worth pondering.
Ridiculous comparison.
I'd expect a better Watch launch from her... overpaid
It was a GREAT launch. Those who snoozed at ordering lost quick deliveries. Typical of Apple products in high demand.
Who cares how much she make or any other executive makes. If that's what the market calls for, that's what is going to be paid. I think it's great that anyone who does the right things can have the opportunity to make that much money. There's a difference between the higher paid people and the lower paid people. It's been like that since the begging of time and will continue to be like that forever.
Agreed—except for your typo, tsk, tsk. ;-)
I know. Typing fast on my iPhone. Not as easy as my iPad sometimes.
She got rid of name badges at Apple stores. I could do the same bone-headed move for a lot less money.
Social Security, Medicare, and even the five-day work week were socialist pipe dreams at one time. Call me when the majority of Americans are ready to scrap them.
We can, and should, dream of improving the lives of our fellow humans. We may disagree on the best way to do this, but dismissing ideas out of hand is ridiculous.
That depends upon what you mean by average. The fact of the matter is there are 100's of thousands of businesses ran by people just as capable but earning far less. Frankly there isn't much difference between a used car dealer and a Fortune 500 executive.
You really need to take off the liberal blinders you have on. Much of this is a one time make good compensation package.
the wage inequality is staggering. although i think they key is not to pay the executives less but to pay the workers more. apple can certainly afford it...only they prioritize their profits into cash holdings and returning capital to investors.
Socialist pipe dream. Ridiculous.
Ah, Social Darwinism is alive and well.
Social Security, Medicare, and even the five-day work week were socialist pipe dreams at one time. Call me when the majority of Americans are ready to scrap them.
We can, and should, dream of improving the lives of our fellow humans. We may disagree on the best way to do this, but dismissing ideas out of hand is ridiculous.
Get rid of all of them if it will help put a stop to the highway to hell we're currently on.
For such a generally progressive company, Apple seems oddly unmoved when it comes to wage disparity between worker bees and queens. Save the whales; screw the shrimp?
If you want the best, you pay the best. It's that simple. Or do you want Apple to hire second rate management?
I want them gone. Social InSecurity and Medicare contribute to the 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities facing this country.
If anyone were to offer me $83M, I'm sure I would feel an "instant personal connection" with them too.
I want them gone. Social InSecurity and Medicare contribute to the 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities facing this country.
So what do you propose we should do with our infirmed elderly? Make Soilent Green?
I can think of a few countries on the planet that still do not provide similar programs for their citizens. Perhaps you should consider moving to one of them.
Enough of this "wage disparity" whining. If you want more money, go out and earn it. She has.
Exactly. There's opportunity for everyone, you just have to put in the time (if you live in a capitalist country that is).
Stop watching non productive TV.
Stop playing computer games.
Stop lusting over other peoples money, and start thinking how to make money yourself.
Stop posting on forums!
Take that risk, and if you fail, repeat until successful!
Simple.
Exactly. There's opportunity for everyone, you just have to put in the time (if you live in a capitalist country that is).
Stop watching non productive TV.
Stop playing computer games.
Stop lusting over other peoples money, and start thinking how to make money yourself.
Stop posting on forums!
Take that risk, and if you fail, repeat until successful!
Simple.
Agreed
Who cares how much she make or any other executive makes. If that's what the market calls for, that's what is going to be paid. I think it's great that anyone who does the right things can have the opportunity to make that much money. There's a difference between the higher paid people and the lower paid people. It's been like that since the beginning of time and will continue to be like that forever.
I care. Wealth isn't some abstraction that has no consequence. In a democracy married to a market economy it translates to political power and control over the conditions of my life. Wealth is power, and it is irresponsible and antidemocratic to distribute that power so unequally. It is indicative of pretty severe brainwashing to see the situation dismissed with nothing but an homage to the vagaries of an anthropomorphized market. The very wealthy realize this growing power and are, for the first time in this country, openly articulating antidemocratic political opinions without any hint of embarrassment.
There was no market at the beginning of time. Production for exchange is a relatively recent human development requiring the advent of industrialization to reach its present all encompassing form. It will cease when automation debases capital. Machines cannot produce profit. Capital is a social relationship. Without people seeking payment in exchange for labor power it loses all meaning. Look at music. Once it can be produced for almost nothing per unit consumed, its exchange value drops to 0 and has to be artificially bolstered by campaigns against "stealing" that stretch the definition to protecting revenue streams for a production method it no longer requires. Or in other words, supply increases to the point that natural market prices can no longer sustain anticipated profit rates and must be artificially imposed. And that is not freedom or capitalism. It's extortion taking the appearance of capitalism in order to protect entrenched interests.
I care. Wealth isn't some abstraction that has no consequence. In a democracy married to a market economy it translates to political power and control over the conditions of my life. Wealth is power, and it is irresponsible and antidemocratic to distribute that power so unequally. It is indicative of pretty severe brainwashing to see the situation dismissed with nothing but an homage to the vagaries of an anthropomorphized market. The very wealthy realize this growing power and are, for the first time in this country, openly articulating antidemocratic political opinions without any hint of embarrassment.
No. I'm on my way to making great money and have the potential to make much more. More than I'll ever need or my kids will need. I don't want that taken away from me or anyone else for that matter. I came from nothing. I used to be homeless when I was young. I worked hard in every way possible and now I'm reaping the rewards of my determination, perseverance and hard work. Everyone should have that for them and they do. Some just choose a different path. Mind you, I'm going to give most of my money away to for things I care about but that's my choice not someone else's.