You don't seem nearly as bothered by Facebook doing just what you erroneously thought Google was doing. You "guess they could update their docs"? That's it? Then why sound so up in arms over Google then?
I'm not up in arms about either. Both achieve levels of creepiness in their data collection, data mining and privacy invasion that would have been unacceptable in another time.
But you missed my sarcasm. My suggestion that FB update their docs was with my tongue planted firmly in my cheek. Updating their docs on what 3rd parties are allowed to do with be toothless but would also be useless in any expectation that FB themselves wouldn't continue to do exactly what the nominally prohibited others from doing. Just giving a sternly worded "no" wouldn't necessarily stop others and it certainly wouldn't stop them.
I've always had a 6 digit passcode, how is this new? If I swipe to login, it brings up a numeric keypad, as long as my passcode is all numbers. What's changed?
6 digits will now be the minimum required if you have TouchID and iOS 9+. Up to now a four-digit passcode was acceptable but you could of course use more as you have.
6 digits will now be the minimum required if you have TouchID and iOS 9+. Up to now a four-digit passcode was acceptable but you could of course use more as you have.
I'll take big grain of salt on their statements about privacy, especially in light of them pulling stunts like intentionally circumventing do not track flags or hoovering data from wifi hotspots around the world.
Privacy is in Europe a much hotter item than in the US. As such the European Commission is actually looking quite in detail what Google (and Facebook and others) are doing in terms of privacy.
The Commission forced Google to implement the right to be forgotten policy and this policy is checked on a regular basis.
Can somebody test whether you can now upload regular files via Safari from iCloud Drive or Dropbox. I hope so if files can be attached to email now. Thnks a lot. That would be real beginning of proclaimed post PC era! At least in Apple camp.
I've always had a 6 digit passcode, how is this new? If I swipe to login, it brings up a numeric keypad, as long as my passcode is all numbers. What's changed?
It's new in that if forces a minimum of six characters. With four, many, if not most, people would just use the four.
Okay I guess I'm not as freaked out about advertising as other people are. Since when did advertising become evil? If someone is going to serve me up an ad I'd rather it be relevant and something I'm interested in than just some random ad for a product/service/content that I could care less about. Maybe I'm really naïve but I don't think Microsoft Google and Facebook are using data for nefarious purposes. And if their machine learning in the cloud can make devices smarter and services more useful I'm willing to accept that privacy trade off. I've been using Google search for years and my privacy has not been compromised once. I don't consider security and privacy necessarily the same thing. I think Apple's Proactive could be in the cloud AND be completely secure. Apparently Apple doesn't agree. Yet they're fine with us storing photos and documents in the cloud and using iCloud to do backups of our devices. Why is Apple worried about machine learning on iCloud?
We're trying to explain the difference to you. Apple doesn't have access to those photos, emails, messages, etc. Both Microsoft and Google do. Do you really like the idea that all of the photos on your machine, wherever they are, and whatever they are, will be uploaded to Photos in Google's servers, where Google can look at them, and possibly even have advertisers look at them? I don't. Possibly you have personal photos there, or photos of your kids, why would you think it's ok for Microsoft or Google to have unfettered access to those?
Another thing I don't like about Google, and I don't know if Microsoft works the same way, but while you agree to give all of your info to Google when you ok the Google contract when signing for a Google account, people who message or e-mail you who don't have that account, also find their messages and emails saved by Google, and available to them for use. That's not even legal, but they do it anyway. So unless there's a class action suit about that, they will continue keeping files from peop,e who never agreed for them to do that.
Apple doesn't do that either.
Your privacy is always compromised with Google, you just aren't aware of it.
That's not Google's "excuse". For many people all of that learning is providing them a better experience. Google Photos app launched to mostly positive reviews. Both WSJ and Walt Mossberg recommended it over Apple's app. John Gruber said it best: privacy should be icing on the cake not the main feature. And for me, because Apple's business model is not about making money via ads, I trust them even more with my data. Quite honestly I think Apple is behind in the area of machine learning/AI and I think they want to change the subject so the focus is on privacy (and that Apple respects your privacy whereas Google and Facebook want to sell everything about you to anyone and everyone) instead. I think it's bogus. As long as my data is secure on iCloud Apple can learn all they want about me.
Gruber didn't mean it the way you are misquoting him to mean. He meant that most people don't think about privacy, only the services they are getting, and so, Apple is marketing privacy as a major feature, whereas most people don't care as much.
And sure, it is an excuse for Google to come out with a new service. The only reason they do so is to have new ways to get your private info. Photos gives them the opportunity to get something they weren't getting reliably before. Jogn Dvorak, in PCMag said that all your photos are uploaded to one flat storage area, with no real way to search it. Not very good. I like app,es way better, with dates, p,aces, and my ability to create albums.
You're like a lot of other naive people about your privacy, it's too bad.
"You" are lumped in with a group of other internet users with similar interests and demographics. You aren't being singled out by name as far as I can tell from reading about it. The one exception might be retargeting, something Apple also now does. In both cases it's still using an anonymized you as the target AFAIK.
Except that's not really true. If it was, then there would be no way for Google to offer targeted advertising to their clients, which they do, as it's their greatest revenue source. Most of this data isn't useful if it's entirely anonymized. Google reads your emails to find out what you are doing, so they can make suggestions. Geeze! They state this themselves.
I suppose you don't remember the speech Eric Schmitt made several years ago, where he stated that soon; "Google will know more about you than you know about yourself, and make decisions for you before you know you want to make them." It was called "creepy" when he said it. Before he left Microsoft, Ballmer said the same thing about Microsoft.
Note that Google does not allow advertising directed to "sensitive categories" of internet viewers, nor do they allow collecting data about them either. What does Google consider "sensitive" information? The following are examples specifically mentioned by Google:
-interest or participation in adult activities (including alcohol, gambling, adult dating, pornography, etc.)
-sexual behavior or orientation, such as sexual orientation inferred from a user's visit to a particular website
-racial or ethnic information, such as from sites or apps that collect affirmative racial or ethnic identification from visitors
-political affiliation (other than the public registration information of United States voters), such as from sites or apps that solicit or store people's affirmative political stances
-trade union membership or affiliation, such as a user's visit to a trade union's site or app
-religion or religious belief, such as from sites or apps that collect people's affirmative information on religion or religious beliefs
-negative financial status or situation, such as information indicating that a user has a low credit rating or high debt load
-health or medical information, such as from sites or apps that market to a specific health-related group
-status as a child under 13
-the commission or alleged commission of any crime, such as information indicating that a user has a criminal record
Things aren't as bad as you're making them out to be. Yeah there's information that we all would consider personal. Just not as personal as you think. There's far worse players.
Whether or not they allow that for advertising is even besides the point. The fact that they admit storing all of that info, which is what they're doing by implication, is disturbing enough.
And they aren't trustworthy. When they first bought Nest, they said that no information from the thermostat would be kept by Google, but later, they reneged, and admitted that yes, your data from Nest would be transmitted to Google, and kept by them. Why do they need our heating and cooling info? Well, because they will know more about our habits. Do we really want them to know more about our private lives. Private lives that we aren't meaning to transmit anywhere?
Given all you should "globally" know about computing, not taking the side of anything except being factual, a very disingenuous post....
#1. It's Cortana not "Cortina" - or is that just an intentional diss?
#2. Bing (much to MS' chagrin) is hardly a major revenue center for MS, let alone a profit one. More a business line they've felt constrained not to totally cede to Google.
#3. In trying to recover from the Sinofsky/Win 8 disaster, MS is incentivizing current users of 7 and 8 to get to 10 for free on the machines they're on, but Windows is in no way becoming a free product - not to OEM's (except likely/possibly on "tablets under 8 inches" as now), businesses or individuals going forward.
Although Windows and Office for Windows - after having carried the company for so long (along with Win Server) - are becoming less important profit centers.
#4. Re your assertion "with Win 10, there will be advertising in the OS itself, embedded in many functions, and you can't get rid of it"... ....source please? I follow all three of the "big three" with interest (as I use all three - Macs, Windows and various things Google) and I've heard no such thing.
#5. You're generally conflating MS' biz model with Google's when in fact MS is more like half way between GOOG and AAPL - or at least distinct - in terms of how it makes money and how much it seeks to monetize customer data.
Whoa! Don't get yourself tied up in knots about a typo. If you can make an interpretation over a typo, I suppose you can read things into other words that aren't there.
Microsoft has been desperately trying to unseat Google with Bing for years. Now, with Win 8 and Win 10, Bing is in the OS for everything, so it's being used more. Sure, they're trying to make a profit. Otherwise they wouldn't offer it. Whether it's been successful or not isn't a reason to ignore what they're doing.
A number of writers in the Windows space have predicted that Microsoft will continue the free offer after it's over after the first year, that's very possibly correct. And yes, as they give the OS away for tablets, and other smaller devices, something they've never done before, more and more of it sis becoming free. Microsoft has been talking as Windows being software as a service,
You say you follow the big three, but you don't follow them enough, obviously. Here's one article about some of the this other attic,es delve into deeper functions where this resides.. Others get into the details of how embedded it really is, but now that you will read this article, you can "follow" it further yourself:
Sure, Microsoft is somewhere between Apple and Google. But the fact that there's are major services from Microsoft that depend on advertising, and the date from you to make that advertising profitable, is all that matters.
Whether or not they allow that for advertising is even besides the point. The fact that they admit storing all of that info, which is what they're doing by implication, is disturbing enough.
:???: Where did Google admit they store that type of information or even imply they do? On the contrary the normal inference from their policy should have been that Google ignores sensitive data and makes no use of it whatsoever and certainly not for ads.. That stipulation extends to companies who wish to continue using Google advertising services.
I would hope you're not making it up as you go along and there really is some rational thought process behind your claim that Google is collecting and storing it for whatever purpose based on their rules prohibiting sensitive data collection and use. I look forward to hearing it.
When they first bought Nest, they said that no information from the thermostat would be kept by Google, but later, they reneged, and admitted that yes, your data from Nest would be transmitted to Google, and kept by them.
I don't remember ever reading that myself. Do you have a source perhaps since Nest's privacy policy says something different than your claim? Gosh, who to believe? https://nest.com/privacy-faq/
Nest accounts and Google accounts are not linked unless you yourself do so. Unless Nest lies about it. Maybe the opt-in "Works with Nest Program" confused you?
Shift Button Fix is a winner for me. Never understood why they chose to ignore basic GUI like this.
Any way to eek out that last percentage of usable juice is fine by me. Two clicks and a button swipe seems fair enough to me as far as navigation to it as well.
Gruber didn't mean it the way you are misquoting him to mean. He meant that most people don't think about privacy, only the services they are getting, and so, Apple is marketing privacy as a major feature, whereas most people don't care as much.
And sure, it is an excuse for Google to come out with a new service. The only reason they do so is to have new ways to get your private info. Photos gives them the opportunity to get something they weren't getting reliably before. Jogn Dvorak, in PCMag said that all your photos are uploaded to one flat storage area, with no real way to search it. Not very good. I like app,es way better, with dates, p,aces, and my ability to create albums.
You're like a lot of other naive people about your privacy, it's too bad.
No he did mean it the way I'm suggesting. Focus on offering best in class services and privacy should be the icing on the cake not the main selling point. Right now we have too many people who seem to think just "good enough" from Apple is OK. I don't. Both the WSJ and Walt Mossberg think Google's photos app is better than what Apple is currently offering. One of the reasons is because they do analyze the photographs to provide you a better search experience. And like I said I've been using Google.com for years and have not had my privacy compromised once. So I go to a website and see an ad for some thing I recently searched on. Who cares? I'd rather see that then a lot of the stupid ads seen on most websites.
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I'm sure some Jobs sycophants are upset over iOS getting anything close to a file system.
You don't seem nearly as bothered by Facebook doing just what you erroneously thought Google was doing. You "guess they could update their docs"? That's it? Then why sound so up in arms over Google then?
I'm not up in arms about either. Both achieve levels of creepiness in their data collection, data mining and privacy invasion that would have been unacceptable in another time.
But you missed my sarcasm. My suggestion that FB update their docs was with my tongue planted firmly in my cheek. Updating their docs on what 3rd parties are allowed to do with be toothless but would also be useless in any expectation that FB themselves wouldn't continue to do exactly what the nominally prohibited others from doing. Just giving a sternly worded "no" wouldn't necessarily stop others and it certainly wouldn't stop them.
I'm sure some Jobs sycophants are upset over iOS getting anything close to a file system.
Nah. They'll remember that Jobs tried to buy Dropbox and recognize that this is just an extension of that game plan.
6 digits will now be the minimum required if you have TouchID and iOS 9+. Up to now a four-digit passcode was acceptable but you could of course use more as you have.
Ahh, that makes sense. Thanks.
I'll take big grain of salt on their statements about privacy, especially in light of them pulling stunts like intentionally circumventing do not track flags or hoovering data from wifi hotspots around the world.
Privacy is in Europe a much hotter item than in the US. As such the European Commission is actually looking quite in detail what Google (and Facebook and others) are doing in terms of privacy.
The Commission forced Google to implement the right to be forgotten policy and this policy is checked on a regular basis.
Thnks a lot. That would be real beginning of proclaimed post PC era! At least in Apple camp.
It's new in that if forces a minimum of six characters. With four, many, if not most, people would just use the four.
We're trying to explain the difference to you. Apple doesn't have access to those photos, emails, messages, etc. Both Microsoft and Google do. Do you really like the idea that all of the photos on your machine, wherever they are, and whatever they are, will be uploaded to Photos in Google's servers, where Google can look at them, and possibly even have advertisers look at them? I don't. Possibly you have personal photos there, or photos of your kids, why would you think it's ok for Microsoft or Google to have unfettered access to those?
Another thing I don't like about Google, and I don't know if Microsoft works the same way, but while you agree to give all of your info to Google when you ok the Google contract when signing for a Google account, people who message or e-mail you who don't have that account, also find their messages and emails saved by Google, and available to them for use. That's not even legal, but they do it anyway. So unless there's a class action suit about that, they will continue keeping files from peop,e who never agreed for them to do that.
Apple doesn't do that either.
Your privacy is always compromised with Google, you just aren't aware of it.
Gruber didn't mean it the way you are misquoting him to mean. He meant that most people don't think about privacy, only the services they are getting, and so, Apple is marketing privacy as a major feature, whereas most people don't care as much.
And sure, it is an excuse for Google to come out with a new service. The only reason they do so is to have new ways to get your private info. Photos gives them the opportunity to get something they weren't getting reliably before. Jogn Dvorak, in PCMag said that all your photos are uploaded to one flat storage area, with no real way to search it. Not very good. I like app,es way better, with dates, p,aces, and my ability to create albums.
You're like a lot of other naive people about your privacy, it's too bad.
Except that's not really true. If it was, then there would be no way for Google to offer targeted advertising to their clients, which they do, as it's their greatest revenue source. Most of this data isn't useful if it's entirely anonymized. Google reads your emails to find out what you are doing, so they can make suggestions. Geeze! They state this themselves.
I suppose you don't remember the speech Eric Schmitt made several years ago, where he stated that soon; "Google will know more about you than you know about yourself, and make decisions for you before you know you want to make them." It was called "creepy" when he said it. Before he left Microsoft, Ballmer said the same thing about Microsoft.
Creepy is the least way I would describe it.
Whether or not they allow that for advertising is even besides the point. The fact that they admit storing all of that info, which is what they're doing by implication, is disturbing enough.
And they aren't trustworthy. When they first bought Nest, they said that no information from the thermostat would be kept by Google, but later, they reneged, and admitted that yes, your data from Nest would be transmitted to Google, and kept by them. Why do they need our heating and cooling info? Well, because they will know more about our habits. Do we really want them to know more about our private lives. Private lives that we aren't meaning to transmit anywhere?
"exponentially"?
I think it's going to be exactly 100 times more difficult.
Whoa! Don't get yourself tied up in knots about a typo. If you can make an interpretation over a typo, I suppose you can read things into other words that aren't there.
Microsoft has been desperately trying to unseat Google with Bing for years. Now, with Win 8 and Win 10, Bing is in the OS for everything, so it's being used more. Sure, they're trying to make a profit. Otherwise they wouldn't offer it. Whether it's been successful or not isn't a reason to ignore what they're doing.
A number of writers in the Windows space have predicted that Microsoft will continue the free offer after it's over after the first year, that's very possibly correct. And yes, as they give the OS away for tablets, and other smaller devices, something they've never done before, more and more of it sis becoming free. Microsoft has been talking as Windows being software as a service,
You say you follow the big three, but you don't follow them enough, obviously. Here's one article about some of the this other attic,es delve into deeper functions where this resides.. Others get into the details of how embedded it really is, but now that you will read this article, you can "follow" it further yourself:
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/204595-lock-screen-ads-on-windows-10-bring-us-closer-to-a-nightmarish-capitalist-dystopia
Sure, Microsoft is somewhere between Apple and Google. But the fact that there's are major services from Microsoft that depend on advertising, and the date from you to make that advertising profitable, is all that matters.
Gone.
Custom numeric code could be 4 digits, no?
I would hope you're not making it up as you go along and there really is some rational thought process behind your claim that Google is collecting and storing it for whatever purpose based on their rules prohibiting sensitive data collection and use. I look forward to hearing it.
I don't remember ever reading that myself. Do you have a source perhaps since Nest's privacy policy says something different than your claim? Gosh, who to believe?
https://nest.com/privacy-faq/
Nest accounts and Google accounts are not linked unless you yourself do so. Unless Nest lies about it. Maybe the opt-in "Works with Nest Program" confused you?
Any way to eek out that last percentage of usable juice is fine by me. Two clicks and a button swipe seems fair enough to me as far as navigation to it as well.
No he did mean it the way I'm suggesting. Focus on offering best in class services and privacy should be the icing on the cake not the main selling point. Right now we have too many people who seem to think just "good enough" from Apple is OK. I don't. Both the WSJ and Walt Mossberg think Google's photos app is better than what Apple is currently offering. One of the reasons is because they do analyze the photographs to provide you a better search experience. And like I said I've been using Google.com for years and have not had my privacy compromised once. So I go to a website and see an ad for some thing I recently searched on. Who cares? I'd rather see that then a lot of the stupid ads seen on most websites.