Your internet connection sucks, or there's a problem with your phone or your watch. First of all - I think that anything t under 10 seconds is acceptable. And I'm sure that plenty of others would agree. I have a 25Mbps internet connection and I was streaming Netflix at the time.
I should upgrade my Internet huh. Maybe you can beg your dad to upgrade your ancient 25 Mbps.
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Originally Posted by spheric
How many apps never bothered to update to retina resolutions? How many of those are still in any way relevant?
Apple blocked non-retina apps from the store, forcing the upgrade. Apple has announced the upcoming blocking of apps based on some behind-the-scenes changes, but not for the Watch.
Face it, the Watch OS 1 third-party app extension model just plain sucks. I just tried to start TripAdvisor... gave up after 20 seconds spinning. United... 5 seconds, Starbucks... 6 seconds. The painfully long third-party launch times defeats the whole purpose of the Watch.
That being said, the first-party apps operate exactly like you want them to with launch times less than a second.
They should never have launched third-party apps in the state it's in. Now, after what 4 months on the market, developers will have to rewrite their apps to run directly on the watch. Guess how many people will do that?
Ok, sounds like someone doesn't know what they're talking about... I have a few third-party apps on my ?WATCH, and while some do suck (to be expected with a new genre of device), most work well. I find apps needing GPS are the worst offenders, but still get the job done.
Would you say that it has become really important to you?
Say, if you were to lose your Apple Watch, would you immediately go and get a new one (like you would an iPhone), get one in a few days, when you get around to it, or never? If you answer that you'd get a new one right away, may I ask what functionality you make the most use of?
Being an ?WATCH owner, I have to answer yes, I would replace mine if lost or damaged in a New York minute! Beyond the fact I love the look and feel of the device (42mm SS/Milanese), I've quickly become reliant on the fitness and health components; it has made me a fitness nut literally overnight. My iPhone also rarely comes out of my pocket now, as I find it much more convenient and efficient to check my wrist for any quick messages, reminders, appointments, and calls that might come in.
Is this convenience mandatory? Probably not; I got by just fine for years with just an iPhone. But does it offer value to my life, and my health? Absolutely!
6) AppleTV.
7) Stocks.
(Third party apps -- incl. NYT, Twitter, calculators, Google News -- suck).
I look at my iPhone a fraction of the time compared to how often I used to. You're seriously underestimating the importance of convenience and connectivity.
Add: Oh, and it's quite beautiful. A fabulous thing on my wrist. But I've been a watch wearer for a very long time.
Yes, yes, you're always correct. With your regular, passive-aggressive, anti-Apple, concern-troll posts in an Apple forum. Nearly 12,500 of them.
:rolleyes:
He's just trying to put Google in the usual good spotlight as always, nothing new here. Give him enough time, and he'll direct-link to the small handful of fashionistas that actually had issues with the ?WATCH, just to make himself look right. But he'll conveniently neglect to mention just how many LOVE the device!
Apple blocked non-retina apps from the store, forcing the upgrade. Apple has announced the upcoming blocking of apps based on some behind-the-scenes changes, but not for the Watch.
Apple introduced the first retina display (iPhone 4) in June 2010.
They blocked non-retina apps and updates starting May 1st, 2013. Anybody not with the program by then wasn't serious about staying on top, anyway. Most had updated by that point.
We'll talk about the watchOS thing again in three years.
Apple introduced the first retina display (iPhone 4) in June 2010.
They blocked non-retina apps and updates starting May 1st, 2013. Anybody not with the program by then wasn't serious about staying on top, anyway. Most had updated by that point.
We'll talk about the watchOS thing again in three years.
Or not.
Agreed... If I see any app in the App Store that doesn't support Retina graphics, or hasn't been updated in ages, do you think I even give it a moment of my time? Apps like that demonstrate the developer behind them is a lazy bum, who couldn't have been bothered to update the app, or a third-party publishing company that didn't get paid by the rights owner to update, both of which signal to me "run".
Apple introduced the first retina display (iPhone 4) in June 2010.
They blocked non-retina apps and updates starting May 1st, 2013. Anybody not with the program by then wasn't serious about staying on top, anyway. Most had updated by that point.
My point exactly. Apple introduced iPhone 6/6+ resolutions in September 2014. It will take until late 2017 to force developers to the 6/6+ resolutions.
Apple introduced App Extension based Watch Apps in April 2015. We're stuck with 5-10 second load times until mid 2018.
Apple understands that when you release an API, it has to remain in place for years. Problem is the original Watch App API is a disaster, and Apple realized it by announcing native apps about 3 months after the original release.
My point exactly. Apple introduced iPhone 6/6+ resolutions in September 2014. It will take until late 2017 to force developers to the 6/6+ resolutions.
Apple introduced App Extension based Watch Apps in April 2015. We're stuck with 5-10 second load times until mid 2018.
Ah, I understand now.
No, we won't.
Because the few thousand apps with those load times available now will fall into disuse on the Watch if they aren't updated, while other alternatives take their place.
Most apps aren't even built for Apple Watch support yet, at all. The vast majority will be on-watch from the start.
A different thing to not have a functional app at all.
You've moved your own goalposts there by saying 10 seconds or less is acceptable. I'd find 2 seconds slow.
Yeah - I did. My original comments were based on what I thought would be acceptable just thinking about it. When i revised it to 10 seconds, it was after I sat down with a stopwatch and sat watching the spinning wait indicator. 6 seconds didn't seem that bad at all - especially since the same apps on the phone itself take several seconds before allowing interaction while they reach out to the Internet to bring down the latest data. So - if 6 was not bad at all, 10 would certainly be bearable. In any case, the argument was not for what makes an app pleasant to use - the original poster claimed that the existing load times made third party apps completely unusable and therefore they shouldn't have been included at all. In fact - he claimed the entire watch was a fail and shouldn't have been released just because of the load times! I'm saying that I'd much rather have the 3rd party capabilities and wait a few extra seconds, as opposed to not having them at all! Sure I'd like them to be faster - but it's not really as bad as he tries to make it seem!
I should upgrade my Internet huh. Maybe you can beg your dad to upgrade your ancient 25 Mbps
My point wasn't that my internet was super-fast. Quite the opposite. I only have 25Mbps to start with and was using at least 6-8 of that for HD streaming yet my watch was still able to load the apps orders of magnitude faster than what you claimed. So how do you explain the difference? Is it simply that you lied in your original post? Or are there technical reasons for the differences we're seeing?
You sidestepped all of the valid points I've made in my previous posts and replied with something completely unrelated. Clearly following a page right out of the Troller handbook...
Surely you realized that the load times were clearly unacceptable right from your first use of the watch and you were able to return it for a full refund? But the if that were true - how were you able to make that video yesterday? Obviously you've kept the watch - so obviously the load times are not the show-stopper you try to make them out to be....
if you dont post links to back up your assertion, youre just another random guy on the web making shit up to match your preferred narrative. again.
The OP asked that I not post links, preferring to do his own checking I suppose. You can easily do the same by typing "Fashion world reaction to Apple Watch" in your favorite search bar and see if you find mixed reactions as I mentioned. If I made it up it should be readily apparent and I encourage you to call me out on it if so. As it stands you're a bit premature to say it was "made up sh#t".
(Paired to an iPhone 6, sitting right outside the camera view. At home on Wifi. Video taken on a different phone. Cut it off immediately before it showed my location.)
If you don't accept that third-party apps suck, you've been brainwashed.
I am sure there are quite a few third-party apps that suck. However, in the two that I use daily up here in Canada are MLB At Bat and Sportsnet. I keep At Bat running so as I glance at my wrist I can see an updated score for my beloved Blue Jays. Also, I receive my notifications from these apps within seconds of the score changing in real time in any of the games I am following. I feel that the third-party developers get out what they put into making these apps. I can tell you that MLB has done a fantastic job. All day while at work I don't have to pull out my iPhone (a very frowned-upon practice at my place of occupation), but a quick glance at my wrist and I can see how they're doing. This watch has been so amazing for me so far. I have also been taking full advantage of texting and making phone calls from my wrist. So terrific. And for the record, the battery has lasted me all day every day so far. ????????
Apple introduced App Extension based Watch Apps in April 2015. We're stuck with 5-10 second load times until mid 2018.
keep trolling--i mean, dreaming, son. that wont happen.
Problem is the original Watch App API is a disaster, and Apple realized it by announcing native apps about 3 months after the original release.
you seem ignorant of reality, here -- when AW was announced they also stated native apps would come later in the year. it's not a course correction in the slightest and everyone (but you, eivdently) was aware of this. dur durrrr...
The OP asked that I not post links, preferring to do his own checking I suppose. You can easily do the same by typing "Fashion world reaction to Apple Watch" in your favorite search bar and see if you find mixed reactions as I mentioned. If I made it up it should be readily apparent and I encourage you to call me out on it if so. As it stands you're a bit premature to say it was "made up sh#t".
Be sure to tell me what you find.
nope. the rules of engagement are clear and plain -- if you make a claim, you back it up. i dont care what anybody else told you (tho i dont believe he did anyway). youre blowing hard about a mixed reaction in the fashion world, yet you refuse to post up solid data to back that assertion up. that means, until the moment you do so, youre just making shit up to match your known behavior pattern. nothing new to see here...
. Its a given that all tech will evolve into better tech as manufacturing techniques and technology itself evolves. That is not to say that the benefits of our current tech levels are to be ignored. Adoption drives technology! If everyone waited for flying cars to be perfected before engaging the current technology, we'd still be riding in buck wagons!
I have worn my Apple Watch for the past 6 weeks, and it has fulfilled my wildest requirements in every area except the 3rd party apps... and it seems that is soon to be remedied. So Wow! AW is one mf my best purchases.... ever!
nope. the rules of engagement are clear and plain -- if you make a claim, you back it up. i dont care what anybody else told you (tho i dont believe he did anyway). youre blowing hard about a mixed reaction in the fashion world, yet you refuse to post up solid data to back that assertion up. that means, until the moment you do so, youre just making shit up to match your known behavior pattern. nothing new to see here...
Why are you afraid to look for yourself? Unless of course you did and didn't like the result. If you're going to claim I made it up then back it up.
The FACT that 3rd party apps need help is undeniable. This fail is being attended to as we speak/type. However I, for one would have been grossly disappointed to have purchased my watch WITHOUT 3rd party apps.... even in their current anemic state.
Apple is beginning to cut the umbilical with watchOS 2. This fall, the Watch will gain an expanded ability to connect to known Wi-Fi networks independently;
I think I missed something ... did Apple announce watchOS 2 would be released this Fall?
Has a 2nd Gen OS ever been released in less than a year from the previous release?
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Your internet connection sucks, or there's a problem with your phone or your watch. First of all - I think that anything t under 10 seconds is acceptable. And I'm sure that plenty of others would agree. I have a 25Mbps internet connection and I was streaming Netflix at the time.
I should upgrade my Internet huh. Maybe you can beg your dad to upgrade your ancient 25 Mbps.
How many apps never bothered to update to retina resolutions? How many of those are still in any way relevant?
Apple blocked non-retina apps from the store, forcing the upgrade. Apple has announced the upcoming blocking of apps based on some behind-the-scenes changes, but not for the Watch.
Are you surprised by this? It seems any articles that reflect positively of the ?WATCH immediately attract the trolls...
Same here! I've had mine for just over two weeks now, and it has exceeded every single expectation I had of the device, no exceptions!
Ok, sounds like someone doesn't know what they're talking about... I have a few third-party apps on my ?WATCH, and while some do suck (to be expected with a new genre of device), most work well. I find apps needing GPS are the worst offenders, but still get the job done.
Being an ?WATCH owner, I have to answer yes, I would replace mine if lost or damaged in a New York minute! Beyond the fact I love the look and feel of the device (42mm SS/Milanese), I've quickly become reliant on the fitness and health components; it has made me a fitness nut literally overnight. My iPhone also rarely comes out of my pocket now, as I find it much more convenient and efficient to check my wrist for any quick messages, reminders, appointments, and calls that might come in.
Is this convenience mandatory? Probably not; I got by just fine for years with just an iPhone. But does it offer value to my life, and my health? Absolutely!
Sounds like a mirror image of me and my watch!
He's just trying to put Google in the usual good spotlight as always, nothing new here. Give him enough time, and he'll direct-link to the small handful of fashionistas that actually had issues with the ?WATCH, just to make himself look right. But he'll conveniently neglect to mention just how many LOVE the device!
Originally Posted by konqerror
Apple blocked non-retina apps from the store, forcing the upgrade. Apple has announced the upcoming blocking of apps based on some behind-the-scenes changes, but not for the Watch.
Apple introduced the first retina display (iPhone 4) in June 2010.
They blocked non-retina apps and updates starting May 1st, 2013. Anybody not with the program by then wasn't serious about staying on top, anyway. Most had updated by that point.
We'll talk about the watchOS thing again in three years.
Or not.
Apple introduced the first retina display (iPhone 4) in June 2010.
They blocked non-retina apps and updates starting May 1st, 2013. Anybody not with the program by then wasn't serious about staying on top, anyway. Most had updated by that point.
We'll talk about the watchOS thing again in three years.
Or not.
Agreed... If I see any app in the App Store that doesn't support Retina graphics, or hasn't been updated in ages, do you think I even give it a moment of my time? Apps like that demonstrate the developer behind them is a lazy bum, who couldn't have been bothered to update the app, or a third-party publishing company that didn't get paid by the rights owner to update, both of which signal to me "run".
Apple introduced the first retina display (iPhone 4) in June 2010.
They blocked non-retina apps and updates starting May 1st, 2013. Anybody not with the program by then wasn't serious about staying on top, anyway. Most had updated by that point.
My point exactly. Apple introduced iPhone 6/6+ resolutions in September 2014. It will take until late 2017 to force developers to the 6/6+ resolutions.
Apple introduced App Extension based Watch Apps in April 2015. We're stuck with 5-10 second load times until mid 2018.
Apple understands that when you release an API, it has to remain in place for years. Problem is the original Watch App API is a disaster, and Apple realized it by announcing native apps about 3 months after the original release.
My point exactly. Apple introduced iPhone 6/6+ resolutions in September 2014. It will take until late 2017 to force developers to the 6/6+ resolutions.
Apple introduced App Extension based Watch Apps in April 2015. We're stuck with 5-10 second load times until mid 2018.
Ah, I understand now.
No, we won't.
Because the few thousand apps with those load times available now will fall into disuse on the Watch if they aren't updated, while other alternatives take their place.
Most apps aren't even built for Apple Watch support yet, at all. The vast majority will be on-watch from the start.
My point wasn't that my internet was super-fast. Quite the opposite. I only have 25Mbps to start with and was using at least 6-8 of that for HD streaming yet my watch was still able to load the apps orders of magnitude faster than what you claimed. So how do you explain the difference? Is it simply that you lied in your original post? Or are there technical reasons for the differences we're seeing?
You sidestepped all of the valid points I've made in my previous posts and replied with something completely unrelated. Clearly following a page right out of the Troller handbook...
Surely you realized that the load times were clearly unacceptable right from your first use of the watch and you were able to return it for a full refund? But the if that were true - how were you able to make that video yesterday? Obviously you've kept the watch - so obviously the load times are not the show-stopper you try to make them out to be....
It's okay. Apology accepted!
if you dont post links to back up your assertion, youre just another random guy on the web making shit up to match your preferred narrative. again.
Be sure to tell me what you find.
I am sure there are quite a few third-party apps that suck. However, in the two that I use daily up here in Canada are MLB At Bat and Sportsnet. I keep At Bat running so as I glance at my wrist I can see an updated score for my beloved Blue Jays. Also, I receive my notifications from these apps within seconds of the score changing in real time in any of the games I am following. I feel that the third-party developers get out what they put into making these apps. I can tell you that MLB has done a fantastic job. All day while at work I don't have to pull out my iPhone (a very frowned-upon practice at my place of occupation), but a quick glance at my wrist and I can see how they're doing. This watch has been so amazing for me so far. I have also been taking full advantage of texting and making phone calls from my wrist. So terrific. And for the record, the battery has lasted me all day every day so far. ????????
keep trolling--i mean, dreaming, son. that wont happen.
you seem ignorant of reality, here -- when AW was announced they also stated native apps would come later in the year. it's not a course correction in the slightest and everyone (but you, eivdently) was aware of this. dur durrrr...
nope. the rules of engagement are clear and plain -- if you make a claim, you back it up. i dont care what anybody else told you (tho i dont believe he did anyway). youre blowing hard about a mixed reaction in the fashion world, yet you refuse to post up solid data to back that assertion up. that means, until the moment you do so, youre just making shit up to match your known behavior pattern. nothing new to see here...
please drive thru to the next window.
. Its a given that all tech will evolve into better tech as manufacturing techniques and technology itself evolves. That is not to say that the benefits of our current tech levels are to be ignored. Adoption drives technology! If everyone waited for flying cars to be perfected before engaging the current technology, we'd still be riding in buck wagons!
I have worn my Apple Watch for the past 6 weeks, and it has fulfilled my wildest requirements in every area except the 3rd party apps... and it seems that is soon to be remedied. So Wow! AW is one mf my best purchases.... ever!
I'll even get give you a good start:
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1QJDB_enUS633US633&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Fashion+World+reaction+to+Apple+Watch
Doesn't get any easier than that.
The FACT that 3rd party apps need help is undeniable. This fail is being attended to as we speak/type. However I, for one would have been grossly disappointed to have purchased my watch WITHOUT 3rd party apps.... even in their current anemic state.
Why are you afraid to look for yourself? Unless of course you did and didn't like the result. If you're going to claim I made it up then back it up.
I'll even get give you a good start:
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1QJDB_enUS633US633&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Fashion+World+reaction+to+Apple+Watch
Doesn't get any easier than that.
That looks pretty mixed to me.
Can you big boys put away your egos now and return to discussing the watchOS API?
Apple is beginning to cut the umbilical with watchOS 2. This fall, the Watch will gain an expanded ability to connect to known Wi-Fi networks independently;
I think I missed something ... did Apple announce watchOS 2 would be released this Fall?
Has a 2nd Gen OS ever been released in less than a year from the previous release?