I see - so rather than explain why you disagree with that observation (which is, in fact, quite accurate, but no matter), you decided to make a stupid one of your own. And then deflect criticism by pointing fingers elsewhere. Very mature and helpful.
Your original response was a non sequitur. I respond to a diversionary comment that was unrelated to the discussion.
You are getting worse. Pointing out that your comment was stupid cannot be a non sequitur, since it involves no deductive argument. And the comment to which you were responding was not, by any stretch of the imagination, diversionary, it was directly on topic and in response to the preceding discussion.
When was the last time that some traitor actually got executed for being a traitor in this country? I say that it's time to get busy again and begin executing those who deserve to be executed, if and when they are found guilty of their crimes and their treason.
I don't care how it's carried out. Firing squad, lethal injection, electric chair, guillotine, whatever.............Just get it done...............The quicker, the better........
Sad to say it, but some Americans have some really nasty attitudes. Are you one of those that would like to be first in line to begin "executing those who deserve to be executed"?
The problem with Snowden, isn't his whistleblowing revelations that the American government was spying on Americans. It's the fact that he stole thousands and thousands of highly classified files, that had nothing to do with intelligence gathering on American citizens, and then shopped them around the world.
How do you know how many files he took, what topics they covered, or that he offered or shared them with anyone other than a couple of respected journalists?
David Petraeus is the retired four-star general who once commanded military operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, and more recently served as chief of the CIA. Mr. Petraeus (like most other retired three-and-four star generals and admirals who have taken jobs with defense contractors or consultants) joined New York-based investment firm KKR & Co.in 2013. He had a 7-figure income and a net worth of $2 million.
In April, Mr. Petraeus pleaded guilty in federal court to leaking classified information to his mistress and biographer, Paula Broadwell. Mrs.Broadwell (yes, she was also married at the time), was also a US intelligence officer and was suspended pending an FBI investigation into the leaked intelligence documents as well as allegations that she sent threatening messages to Jill Kelley, a social liaison to MacDill Air Force Base.
Mr. Petraeus was sentenced to two years probation and fined $100,000. This fine is about 5% of his net worth or 1% or less of his yearly income from KKR & Co. So all in all, a small slap on the wrist for a top government intelligence official leaking classified information to his mistress.
If leaking classified information constitutes treason, are you advocating for Mr. Petraeus's execution as well?
Not me smoking crack but it's apparently fried your brain. What court justice is in a government "leadership" role? And what congressional member in a "leadership" role has declared Snowdon a whistleblower? Of course, none! Because no one outside of a very few high-ranking government employees in leadership roles have the access to read the reports detailing program benefits and damage assessments.
Hell, every one of those well-placed people from the president down (including the majority and minority leaders of both houses of congress) are fighting vigorously for continuation of NSA's data-gathering programs.
They have all concluded that the benefits outweigh the slight loss of civil liberties.
People you are listening to don't have the access to make an intelligent decision on the matter.
Every body of government has to have some kind of control of what its doing and if its legal. A body cant control itself, because of self interest issues. government workers are also people and what they think is not the same as what their organizational body has as a mission. Maybe Snowden is proof enough of that?! And for people criticising that whisleblowers arent needed. Can you name a way to make a contribution on the matter any other way? Oh, you cant realiably bacause it is a public opionion matter. A matter of every American in America. Transparency is the way to go and the only way to fight corruption and wrongdoing.
Oh I see trying to downplay what it really is "slight loss of liberties" rather to loss of freedom of speech. Who has the right to say what is right on this issue. It certainly is not the government but instead the American people. They have spoken. Read the message loud and clear. Is it Snowdens problem if the government was caught with its pants down and now the American IT industry pays dearly because of its actions? Its like saying that a rape that government was aware of is OK as long as we the public didn't see it?!? Its time to look in the mirror! You can see the problem in it!
I have to conclude that you are just a pawn/troll of the government who is scared of exposing the true goal of this surveillance. If you really aren't just a troll please read some books (on Nazism or maybe eg. Georg Orwell) on the matter where governments have gone haywire and get back after that... At least you need to examine yourself a bit closer for finding familiar behavior, I would suggest you could try searching google with "narcissistic behavior".
David Petraeus is the retired four-star general who once commanded military operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, and more recently served as chief of the CIA. Mr. Petraeus (like most other retired three-and-four star generals and admirals who have taken jobs with defense contractors or consultants) joined New York-based investment firm KKR & Co.in 2013. He had a 7-figure income and a net worth of $2 million.
In April, Mr. Petraeus pleaded guilty in federal court to leaking classified information to his mistress and biographer, Paula Broadwell. <span style="line-height:1.4em;">Mrs.Broadwell (yes, she was also married at the time), was also a US intelligence officer and was suspended pending an FBI investigation into the leaked intelligence documents as well as allegations that she sent threatening messages to</span> Jill Kelley, a social liaison to <span style="line-height:1.4em;">MacDill Air Force Base</span>
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Mr. Petraeus was sentenced to two years probation and fined $100,000. This fine is about 5% of his net worth or 1% or less of his yearly income from KKR & Co. So all in all, a small slap on the wrist for a top government intelligence official leaking classified information to his mistress.
If leaking classified information constitutes treason, especially when profiting from said leaks, are you advocating for Mr. Petraeus'sexecution as well?
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Is it ok with you when people say:
"I say that it's time to get busy again and begin executing those who deserve to be executed."
So how did that lead to intolerance, gay hating, racist?
Snowden isn't gay. He's also white.
Is having a viable opinion a form of intolerance?
This would fall under intolerance and hate, don't you think?
Nope. People feel he's a traitor. Traitors should be punished.
Just like murderers should rot in hell.
Nope. People feel he's a traitor. Traitors should be punished.
Just like murderers should rot in hell.
So its the "feeling" that steers you if somebody should be punished and killed. And you believe in hell, I think I understand
Execution is a punishment for treason. How is that intolerant?
So its the "feeling" that steers you if somebody should be punished and killed. And you believe in hell, I think I understand
So you're intolerant of religious people, and that's ok, right?
I see - so rather than explain why you disagree with that observation (which is, in fact, quite accurate, but no matter), you decided to make a stupid one of your own. And then deflect criticism by pointing fingers elsewhere. Very mature and helpful.
Your original response was a non sequitur. I respond to a diversionary comment that was unrelated to the discussion.
You are getting worse. Pointing out that your comment was stupid cannot be a non sequitur, since it involves no deductive argument. And the comment to which you were responding was not, by any stretch of the imagination, diversionary, it was directly on topic and in response to the preceding discussion.
Sad to say it, but some Americans have some really nasty attitudes. Are you one of those that would like to be first in line to begin "executing those who deserve to be executed"?
Very scary.
The UK is currently home to a very hostile domestic government!
You might like to reflect on the fact that almost every other 'Western' nation has rejected the death penalty.
The USA's policy is quite in keeping with many that the USA lists as its current terrorist enemies though.
Execution is a punishment for treason. How is that intolerant?
Castration is a punishment for gays. How is that intolerant?
Stoning is a punishment for adultery. How is that intolerant?
Beheading is a punishment for apostasy. How is that intolerant?
Do you see the problem with your post?
I've been wondering the same thing myself as I've read through these comments.
Point to the federal laws in which any of those things are illegal.
Point to the federal laws in which any of those things are illegal.
Oh, so because it's an American law, it must be correct. Gotcha. It's a well known fact that American law hasn't changed since 1776.
Point to the federal laws in which any of those things are illegal.
In England, many years back, it was legal to burn people at the stake.
Later, we decided this was not such a good idea.
How do you know how many files he took, what topics they covered, or that he offered or shared them with anyone other than a couple of respected journalists?
Execution is a punishment for treason.
David Petraeus is the retired four-star general who once commanded military operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, and more recently served as chief of the CIA. Mr. Petraeus (like most other retired three-and-four star generals and admirals who have taken jobs with defense contractors or consultants) joined New York-based investment firm KKR & Co.in 2013. He had a 7-figure income and a net worth of $2 million.
In April, Mr. Petraeus pleaded guilty in federal court to leaking classified information to his mistress and biographer, Paula Broadwell. Mrs.Broadwell (yes, she was also married at the time), was also a US intelligence officer and was suspended pending an FBI investigation into the leaked intelligence documents as well as allegations that she sent threatening messages to Jill Kelley, a social liaison to MacDill Air Force Base.
Mr. Petraeus was sentenced to two years probation and fined $100,000. This fine is about 5% of his net worth or 1% or less of his yearly income from KKR & Co. So all in all, a small slap on the wrist for a top government intelligence official leaking classified information to his mistress.
If leaking classified information constitutes treason, are you advocating for Mr. Petraeus's execution as well?
Not me smoking crack but it's apparently fried your brain. What court justice is in a government "leadership" role? And what congressional member in a "leadership" role has declared Snowdon a whistleblower? Of course, none! Because no one outside of a very few high-ranking government employees in leadership roles have the access to read the reports detailing program benefits and damage assessments.
Hell, every one of those well-placed people from the president down (including the majority and minority leaders of both houses of congress) are fighting vigorously for continuation of NSA's data-gathering programs.
They have all concluded that the benefits outweigh the slight loss of civil liberties.
People you are listening to don't have the access to make an intelligent decision on the matter.
Every body of government has to have some kind of control of what its doing and if its legal. A body cant control itself, because of self interest issues. government workers are also people and what they think is not the same as what their organizational body has as a mission. Maybe Snowden is proof enough of that?! And for people criticising that whisleblowers arent needed. Can you name a way to make a contribution on the matter any other way? Oh, you cant realiably bacause it is a public opionion matter. A matter of every American in America. Transparency is the way to go and the only way to fight corruption and wrongdoing.
Oh I see trying to downplay what it really is "slight loss of liberties" rather to loss of freedom of speech. Who has the right to say what is right on this issue. It certainly is not the government but instead the American people. They have spoken. Read the message loud and clear. Is it Snowdens problem if the government was caught with its pants down and now the American IT industry pays dearly because of its actions? Its like saying that a rape that government was aware of is OK as long as we the public didn't see it?!? Its time to look in the mirror! You can see the problem in it!
I have to conclude that you are just a pawn/troll of the government who is scared of exposing the true goal of this surveillance. If you really aren't just a troll please read some books (on Nazism or maybe eg. Georg Orwell) on the matter where governments have gone haywire and get back after that... At least you need to examine yourself a bit closer for finding familiar behavior, I would suggest you could try searching google with "narcissistic behavior".
It's the current law. He broke American laws. Why would other countries' laws apply?
Leaking classified information in itself isn't treason. Leaking classified information to benefit our enemies is treason.