Can't force touch completely replace all home button functions? That would be pretty awesome I think. Just force touch anywhere to go home, hold a bit longer to activate Siri, etc.
not so great for the double-press functionality tho. there is just something simple and useful about the home button and its usability options.
They will have to make the back one big touch panel and the sides one big round touch panel.
Also, if they put the fingerprint sensor on the screen, that will be in addition to possible 3D display technology and embedded solar technology. That's a lot of technology with a lot of layers to embed into the screen!
Its funny, I wrote a post on how Apple Watch will get Facetime, without the crap DED has to put on the article, and how the tech will get TouchID integrated. This is an old rumors, then all of a sudden the next morning Digitimes repost something similar as rumors.
The current Touch ID solution scans your Fingerprint at 500DPI. Even with the latest rumors bringing iPhone 6s to 1080P and 6s Plus to 2.2K, their respective PPI will only be ~470. Unless Apple think this is enough for TouchID, otherwise we will likely be 2020 timeframe before we see this.
I love the idea of combining the on-screen TouchID and Force Touch. "Press to Unlock" where you have to place enough pressure on the screen (to eliminate unintended unlocking) using the registered thumb or finger would be a brilliant replacement for “Slide to Unlock”.
I love the idea of combining the on-screen TouchID and Force Touch. "Press to Unlock" where you have to place enough pressure on the screen (to eliminate unintended unlocking) using the registered thumb or finger would be a brilliant replacement for “Slide to Unlock”.
That feels very natural too. I just tried it. Lock your phone and push the screen. Your brain almost expects something to happen.
2015 -> S model
2016 -> New case, etc
2017 -> S model
2018 -> New case, etc
Yeah, but I keep thinking that as most of the life of the phones is in the year after the introduction, this would really be a 2017 phone. But technically, you're correct.
Its funny, I wrote a post on how Apple Watch will get Facetime, without the crap DED has to put on the article, and how the tech will get TouchID integrated. This is an old rumors, then all of a sudden the next morning Digitimes repost something similar as rumors.
The current Touch ID solution scans your Fingerprint at 500DPI. Even with the latest rumors bringing iPhone 6s to 1080P and 6s Plus to 2.2K, their respective PPI will only be ~470. Unless Apple think this is enough for TouchID, otherwise we will likely be 2020 timeframe before we see this.
There CPU,d be a limited area behind the screen for the sensor. Despite what we see of the patent, it doesn't mean that it's what Apple would do, if they do it at all. After all a fingerprint sensor has nothing to do with the LCD elements the screen uses to produce an image.
And don't forget the patents Apple secured several years ago for a camera that used the entire screen for a sensor. Where did that go?
I love the idea of combining the on-screen TouchID and Force Touch. "Press to Unlock" where you have to place enough pressure on the screen (to eliminate unintended unlocking) using the registered thumb or finger would be a brilliant replacement for “Slide to Unlock”.
I still think you need slide to unlock. There's enough pressure to accidentally unlock via force touch when you put the phone in your front pocket and sit down.
my guess on one possible advantage to removing the home button is in reducing the number of moving parts. In most of my experiences with iOS devices, the home button seems to fail a lot. If you read iMore at all, they have tons of DIY articles about fixing buttons, switches, etc. on the phone. So my guess would be that the buttons seem to be in the majority of things that fail on the devices. If you can reduce things that fail on the devices, then you can reduce the amount of warranty claims and reduce the amount of overhead in manufacturing and support. The real question would be here, by removing the home button, how does it affect Apple's profit margins?
That's interesting. I had assumed that electrical parts were more finicky and prone to needing repair than physical parts.
Apple's haptic feedback is at the point where a person could use a virtual button and think it's real (and thus get the psychological satisfaction). The first time I used the new taptic trackpad I thought it was the old one until I realized the click on the top was way better than any mechanical trackpad could ever hope to be.
I haven't tried the new taptic trackpad, but it's great to hear that it performs well.
My comments were in the context of an iPhone without a home button at all, as the mock-up photos show. But if Apple's haptic feedback tech is as good as you say, maybe I could see them replacing the physical home button with a virtual one. But what would happen with the rest of the "chin" surrounding the button? Isn't one rationale for removing the home button to gain more screen real estate?
I am optimistic that Apple will remove all the Mechanical switches & Buttons on the iPhone. It would simplify manufacturing & increase reliability of the iPhone. I would love a phone that did not have mechanical switches and depended on software to detect that I wanted it to turn on / off, etc.
I am optimistic that Apple will remove all the Mechanical switches & Buttons on the iPhone. It would simplify manufacturing & increase reliability of the iPhone. I would love a phone that did not have mechanical switches and depended on software to detect that I wanted it to turn on / off, etc.
I doubt it. If that's the case, they wouldn't make Digital Crown where the crown actually rotates. Instead, they would just make the edges of the watch touch sensitive for scrolling, zooming or anything the D Crown does. Apple just keep the home button for a really long time and I don't see it going away even after 2017.
I am optimistic that Apple will remove all the Mechanical switches & Buttons on the iPhone. It would simplify manufacturing & increase reliability of the iPhone. I would love a phone that did not have mechanical switches and depended on software to detect that I wanted it to turn on / off, etc.
Given that sometimes the only way I can un-jam my phone is to turn it off, using the physical button, I'm not optimistic about a 100% software-driven interface.
It's no secret that battles with Samsung are winding down now. Obviously they'll need Samsung's latest transparent screen technology to get to fingerprints using basically a camera sensor underneath the screen. I've read elsewhere possibly even the Note 5 will have no home button and instead the FP and front facing camera sensor (doubling as Iris on Move (IoM Stanford SRI Sensor) will be underneath the the new AMOLED transparent screen. If they can do it, what's keeping Apple from doing these things and eliminating the Home button too? I hate it on my iPhone 6 taking up so much of the space on front of the phone!
Apple has some great patents..... why not put them to work and instead fighting Samsung.... use their stuff to compete against them. Apple should have been using AMOLED screens years ago. I'm hoping that iPhone 6s will bring the move to AMOLED screens and possibly NO HOME BUTTON!!! ....maybe get it out the door before Samsung instead of afterwards!
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not so great for the double-press functionality tho. there is just something simple and useful about the home button and its usability options.
HOW WILL I TAKE SCREENSHOTS!?
You serious?
Hilarious.
Also, if they put the fingerprint sensor on the screen, that will be in addition to possible 3D display technology and embedded solar technology. That's a lot of technology with a lot of layers to embed into the screen!
how do you know it's more complex/obscure? howz about we stop putting the cart before the horse.
Its funny, I wrote a post on how Apple Watch will get Facetime, without the crap DED has to put on the article, and how the tech will get TouchID integrated. This is an old rumors, then all of a sudden the next morning Digitimes repost something similar as rumors.
The current Touch ID solution scans your Fingerprint at 500DPI. Even with the latest rumors bringing iPhone 6s to 1080P and 6s Plus to 2.2K, their respective PPI will only be ~470. Unless Apple think this is enough for TouchID, otherwise we will likely be 2020 timeframe before we see this.
You basically push the bottom of the phone to unlock. It feels natural try it.
Except that's an iPhoney.
You guys give Sammy way too much credit. As if they invented any of their designs.
No that's just an iKnockoff.
That feels very natural too. I just tried it. Lock your phone and push the screen. Your brain almost expects something to happen.
No that's just an iKnockoff.
You're a clever one.
The Storm was the major reason RIM began its slide to irrelevancy.
Yeah, but I keep thinking that as most of the life of the phones is in the year after the introduction, this would really be a 2017 phone. But technically, you're correct.
There CPU,d be a limited area behind the screen for the sensor. Despite what we see of the patent, it doesn't mean that it's what Apple would do, if they do it at all. After all a fingerprint sensor has nothing to do with the LCD elements the screen uses to produce an image.
And don't forget the patents Apple secured several years ago for a camera that used the entire screen for a sensor. Where did that go?
I still think you need slide to unlock. There's enough pressure to accidentally unlock via force touch when you put the phone in your front pocket and sit down.
my guess on one possible advantage to removing the home button is in reducing the number of moving parts. In most of my experiences with iOS devices, the home button seems to fail a lot. If you read iMore at all, they have tons of DIY articles about fixing buttons, switches, etc. on the phone. So my guess would be that the buttons seem to be in the majority of things that fail on the devices. If you can reduce things that fail on the devices, then you can reduce the amount of warranty claims and reduce the amount of overhead in manufacturing and support. The real question would be here, by removing the home button, how does it affect Apple's profit margins?
That's interesting. I had assumed that electrical parts were more finicky and prone to needing repair than physical parts.
Apple's haptic feedback is at the point where a person could use a virtual button and think it's real (and thus get the psychological satisfaction). The first time I used the new taptic trackpad I thought it was the old one until I realized the click on the top was way better than any mechanical trackpad could ever hope to be.
I haven't tried the new taptic trackpad, but it's great to hear that it performs well.
My comments were in the context of an iPhone without a home button at all, as the mock-up photos show. But if Apple's haptic feedback tech is as good as you say, maybe I could see them replacing the physical home button with a virtual one. But what would happen with the rest of the "chin" surrounding the button? Isn't one rationale for removing the home button to gain more screen real estate?
I am optimistic that Apple will remove all the Mechanical switches & Buttons on the iPhone. It would simplify manufacturing & increase reliability of the iPhone. I would love a phone that did not have mechanical switches and depended on software to detect that I wanted it to turn on / off, etc.
I doubt it. If that's the case, they wouldn't make Digital Crown where the crown actually rotates. Instead, they would just make the edges of the watch touch sensitive for scrolling, zooming or anything the D Crown does. Apple just keep the home button for a really long time and I don't see it going away even after 2017.
I am optimistic that Apple will remove all the Mechanical switches & Buttons on the iPhone. It would simplify manufacturing & increase reliability of the iPhone. I would love a phone that did not have mechanical switches and depended on software to detect that I wanted it to turn on / off, etc.
Given that sometimes the only way I can un-jam my phone is to turn it off, using the physical button, I'm not optimistic about a 100% software-driven interface.
Apple has some great patents..... why not put them to work and instead fighting Samsung.... use their stuff to compete against them. Apple should have been using AMOLED screens years ago. I'm hoping that iPhone 6s will bring the move to AMOLED screens and possibly NO HOME BUTTON!!! ....maybe get it out the door before Samsung instead of afterwards!