No, it isn't a standard anymore, and yes, it will die. A fuckload of websites have moved away from Flash the last few years, at least the competent ones. Any website that still requires flash will never get my business of my support, and makes me look at the people behind it in an extremely negative light. Yes, of course it costs to move away, but with the current environment of hundreds of millions of phones and tablets that do not support flash, which are often the primary computing device for people, anyone who DOESN'T think that is a worthwhile investment deserve to lose all their business.
Adobe has long since given up evangelizing this worthless technology, but some shitty industries seem in no hurry to abandon it. Automakers and the entertainment industry are two glaring examples.
Yeah, Porsche did up until a year or two ago, and I think they still use it for their microsites. Crazy.
I hope Flash dies...or is replaced with industry standards that are better. I know there is transition.
However, being in Korea, I can attest to just how slow to develop new technologies and how comfortable businesses and other governments are with what they are familiar with.
Right now, Flash animation is used for all our text books. It is used for basically every Korean web site function. Active X and Windows Explorer is necessary to do banking or anything in Korea. Having a non Windows computer is difficult if not impossible in Korea. So the change is going to be slow, very, very slow...and if Adobe continues to update and add new features to Flash...it can ensure that there is a demand to use it.
I guess, yes eventually it will die, however it is not going to be any time soon.
I just wish they'd gut it under the hood and start over, but keep the authoring environment and end results. I really like working IN Flash. But it's just spreading poison to put it out in the world.
I hope Flash dies...or is replaced with industry standards that are better. I know there is transition.
However, being in Korea, I can attest to just how slow to develop new technologies and how comfortable businesses and other governments are with what they are familiar with.
Right now, Flash animation is used for all our text books. It is used for basically every Korean web site function. Active X and Windows Explorer is necessary to do banking or anything in Korea. Having a non Windows computer is difficult if not impossible in Korea. So the change is going to be slow, very, very slow...and if Adobe continues to update and add new features to Flash...it can ensure that there is a demand to use it.
I guess, yes eventually it will die, however it is not going to be any time soon.
I don't understand how a technologically advanced, democratic country like Korea ever allowed its government to impose a national web standard - let alone something as ridiculously ill-advised as IE6 and ActiveX. At the risk of sounding offensive, I sense that this is partially the result of Asian cultures' emphasis on conformity and respect for authority. While this has its benefits, it can have a stifling effect on innovation and democracy.
I don't understand how a technologically advanced, democratic country like Korea ever allowed its government to impose a national web standard - let alone something as ridiculously ill-advised as IE6 and ActiveX. At the risk of sounding offensive, I sense that this is partially the result of Asian cultures' emphasis on conformity and respect for authority. While this has its benefits, it can have a stifling effect on innovation and democracy.
It is simple...and rather organic actually, Korea decided to update all their school and government computers at the same time. When they did, they approached Microsoft, and made a huge sale. When they did Microsoft XP became the default OS for the entire country. Only this year have they jumped to Windows 7, and only because Microsoft stop supporting XP.
The thing with Internet Explorer is they have those certificates for security verification, that only they use.
So You had a country that has used Microsoft products for over a decade exclusively. All banking, government work, and basically everything is written only for Microsoft's Windows platform.
It is simple...and rather organic actually, Korea decided to update all their school and government computers at the same time. When they did, they approached Microsoft, and made a huge sale. When they did Microsoft XP became the default OS for the entire country. Only this year have they jumped to Windows 7, and only because Microsoft stop supporting XP.
The thing with Internet Explorer is they have those certificates for security verification, that only they use.
So You had a country that has used Microsoft products for over a decade exclusively. All banking, government work, and basically everything is written only for Microsoft's Windows platform.
Did the public have any say in this? Did no one object? I'm just trying to imagine the revolt if they'd ever tried that in the US.
There is no reason, to object. The government decided to buy government computers for all the government positions in all of Korea. They wanted a unified system. Then they wanted to teach children how to use computers, so they taught them how to work on Microsoft computers and use the standard Korean word processor (It is awful.)
So of course all the businesses in Korea are going to follow suit, and an industry standard is formed.
It has already happened in America to some degree...however, our banking software is much better.
Right now, if you want to do online banking in Korea it is impossible unless you have a Windows computer. You can do it on your Android and iphone too...but if you want the ability to do desktop banking, it MUST be done on a Windows computer. The same is true about accessing University servers, libraries and everything.
And all the textbooks are created with Flash Animation...so you must have Flash on your computers as well.
There is no reason, to object. The government decided to buy government computers for all the government positions in all of Korea. They wanted a unified system. Then they wanted to teach children how to use computers, so they taught them how to work on Microsoft computers and use the standard Korean word processor (It is awful.)
So of course all the businesses in Korea are going to follow suit, and an industry standard is formed.
It has already happened in America to some degree...however, our banking software is much better.
Right now, if you want to do online banking in Korea it is impossible unless you have a Windows computer. You can do it on your Android and iphone too...but if you want the ability to do desktop banking, it MUST be done on a Windows computer. The same is true about accessing University servers, libraries and everything.
And all the textbooks are created with Flash Animation...so you must have Flash on your computers as well.
Do you mean that there was no reason to object at the time or that even in hindsight it was a good decision?
I realize that no one anticipated that 1) IE6 and ActiveX would come to be known as technological pariahs and huge security threats, 2) that Flash would be exposed as both security risk and resource hog that killed both performance and battery life, 3) that Microsoft and Windows would lose their position as the standard platform that everyone was forced to use, and 4) that the impact of all of the above would be magnified by mobile overtaking desktop within 15 years.
But the very thought of government imposed technological standards should have set off a loud alarm. In the US, some typically shortsighted government agencies made the same mistakes, as did many companies and school districts. Banks have also famously larded their systems with obsolete technology. But we would never have allowed the government to impose such a standard on everyone, creating a layer of red tape blocking the way for better solutions. Any bank that tries to impose the use of a specific web browser or a Flash plugin instantly loses my business.
This reminds me of France's Minitel. It was a great idea when introduced, and provided many useful services to French citizens years before the World Wide Web. But its entrenchment as a government system delayed France's adoption of the real internet.
I'm a big fan of Apple but I would oppose any misguided attempt to enforce it as a national standard.
my flash was semi-working before the latest vulnerability scare. Flash has only kind of worked across 3 pc's i've owned over the last 10 years. it's not a good program, the software and website designers were dumb enough to get schooled in it so they keep raving how wonderful it is. My latest update, now it only works on maybe 10% of the websites i go too. i'm glad people are speaking up. this program needs to go away but most websites rely on it....unwilling to move to something better. it's not all Adobe fault. they have no incentive to fix their crap because they have the monopoly on it. for now, i'm not doing any business with websites that use flash...primarily because i can't view it anyways
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No, it isn't a standard anymore, and yes, it will die. A fuckload of websites have moved away from Flash the last few years, at least the competent ones. Any website that still requires flash will never get my business of my support, and makes me look at the people behind it in an extremely negative light. Yes, of course it costs to move away, but with the current environment of hundreds of millions of phones and tablets that do not support flash, which are often the primary computing device for people, anyone who DOESN'T think that is a worthwhile investment deserve to lose all their business.
We need NIST to define "fuckload."
Yeah, Porsche did up until a year or two ago, and I think they still use it for their microsites. Crazy.
I hope Flash dies...or is replaced with industry standards that are better. I know there is transition.
However, being in Korea, I can attest to just how slow to develop new technologies and how comfortable businesses and other governments are with what they are familiar with.
Right now, Flash animation is used for all our text books. It is used for basically every Korean web site function. Active X and Windows Explorer is necessary to do banking or anything in Korea. Having a non Windows computer is difficult if not impossible in Korea. So the change is going to be slow, very, very slow...and if Adobe continues to update and add new features to Flash...it can ensure that there is a demand to use it.
I guess, yes eventually it will die, however it is not going to be any time soon.
I hope Flash dies...or is replaced with industry standards that are better. I know there is transition.
However, being in Korea, I can attest to just how slow to develop new technologies and how comfortable businesses and other governments are with what they are familiar with.
Right now, Flash animation is used for all our text books. It is used for basically every Korean web site function. Active X and Windows Explorer is necessary to do banking or anything in Korea. Having a non Windows computer is difficult if not impossible in Korea. So the change is going to be slow, very, very slow...and if Adobe continues to update and add new features to Flash...it can ensure that there is a demand to use it.
I guess, yes eventually it will die, however it is not going to be any time soon.
I don't understand how a technologically advanced, democratic country like Korea ever allowed its government to impose a national web standard - let alone something as ridiculously ill-advised as IE6 and ActiveX. At the risk of sounding offensive, I sense that this is partially the result of Asian cultures' emphasis on conformity and respect for authority. While this has its benefits, it can have a stifling effect on innovation and democracy.
I freakin’ hate OS X.
Every month there is a new exploitable error, sometimes twice a month.
This also happens with other operating systems. People find them and devise a patch. Your anger is misplaced yet again.
I assumed it was sarcasm.
I assumed it was sarcasm.
Hmm... maybe. He always seems grumpy, so I read it as a serious post.
I don't understand how a technologically advanced, democratic country like Korea ever allowed its government to impose a national web standard - let alone something as ridiculously ill-advised as IE6 and ActiveX. At the risk of sounding offensive, I sense that this is partially the result of Asian cultures' emphasis on conformity and respect for authority. While this has its benefits, it can have a stifling effect on innovation and democracy.
It is simple...and rather organic actually, Korea decided to update all their school and government computers at the same time. When they did, they approached Microsoft, and made a huge sale. When they did Microsoft XP became the default OS for the entire country. Only this year have they jumped to Windows 7, and only because Microsoft stop supporting XP.
The thing with Internet Explorer is they have those certificates for security verification, that only they use.
So You had a country that has used Microsoft products for over a decade exclusively. All banking, government work, and basically everything is written only for Microsoft's Windows platform.
It is simple...and rather organic actually, Korea decided to update all their school and government computers at the same time. When they did, they approached Microsoft, and made a huge sale. When they did Microsoft XP became the default OS for the entire country. Only this year have they jumped to Windows 7, and only because Microsoft stop supporting XP.
The thing with Internet Explorer is they have those certificates for security verification, that only they use.
So You had a country that has used Microsoft products for over a decade exclusively. All banking, government work, and basically everything is written only for Microsoft's Windows platform.
Did the public have any say in this? Did no one object? I'm just trying to imagine the revolt if they'd ever tried that in the US.
There is no reason, to object. The government decided to buy government computers for all the government positions in all of Korea. They wanted a unified system. Then they wanted to teach children how to use computers, so they taught them how to work on Microsoft computers and use the standard Korean word processor (It is awful.)
So of course all the businesses in Korea are going to follow suit, and an industry standard is formed.
It has already happened in America to some degree...however, our banking software is much better.
Right now, if you want to do online banking in Korea it is impossible unless you have a Windows computer. You can do it on your Android and iphone too...but if you want the ability to do desktop banking, it MUST be done on a Windows computer. The same is true about accessing University servers, libraries and everything.
And all the textbooks are created with Flash Animation...so you must have Flash on your computers as well.
There is no reason, to object. The government decided to buy government computers for all the government positions in all of Korea. They wanted a unified system. Then they wanted to teach children how to use computers, so they taught them how to work on Microsoft computers and use the standard Korean word processor (It is awful.)
So of course all the businesses in Korea are going to follow suit, and an industry standard is formed.
It has already happened in America to some degree...however, our banking software is much better.
Right now, if you want to do online banking in Korea it is impossible unless you have a Windows computer. You can do it on your Android and iphone too...but if you want the ability to do desktop banking, it MUST be done on a Windows computer. The same is true about accessing University servers, libraries and everything.
And all the textbooks are created with Flash Animation...so you must have Flash on your computers as well.
Do you mean that there was no reason to object at the time or that even in hindsight it was a good decision?
I realize that no one anticipated that 1) IE6 and ActiveX would come to be known as technological pariahs and huge security threats, 2) that Flash would be exposed as both security risk and resource hog that killed both performance and battery life, 3) that Microsoft and Windows would lose their position as the standard platform that everyone was forced to use, and 4) that the impact of all of the above would be magnified by mobile overtaking desktop within 15 years.
But the very thought of government imposed technological standards should have set off a loud alarm. In the US, some typically shortsighted government agencies made the same mistakes, as did many companies and school districts. Banks have also famously larded their systems with obsolete technology. But we would never have allowed the government to impose such a standard on everyone, creating a layer of red tape blocking the way for better solutions. Any bank that tries to impose the use of a specific web browser or a Flash plugin instantly loses my business.
This reminds me of France's Minitel. It was a great idea when introduced, and provided many useful services to French citizens years before the World Wide Web. But its entrenchment as a government system delayed France's adoption of the real internet.
I'm a big fan of Apple but I would oppose any misguided attempt to enforce it as a national standard.