Except Apple didn't ban apps that were selling the Confederate flag. These were civil war games. You can't ban history. And since the guy who killed these nine people did so with a gun should Apple ban any games on the App Store that involved shooting and guns?
They are banning making a game out of racism and violence against the american government. Think about it. Apple isnt stopping anyone from teaching the history. If Apple does that then I will say they went too far.
I have edited this reply multiple times trying to express my dismay about Apple joining a censorship movement. My thoughts covered a wide spectrum of emotion. I knew other companies were doing it and it did not bother me. I saw censorship, but I ignored it and them. They do not matter to me. Apple matters to me.
I decided to go to an extreme case as an example of a censorship nightmare Apple itself has opened.
How many parents and non-parents in this country can find something wrong with this unedited picture of the iTunes Movies home screen?
Wow, you thats a real zinger there! I've lived in the south for many years and I hate to break it to you but the South is very American. Can't say I've run in to any one "ready to take back America from Obama and the DHS StormBamaTroopers." But then again I've only spent time in about 12 southern states.
Whether someone hoards guns or Nintendo games makes no difference on whether or not they love their country. It's their actions in the world is what defines them. The nutcase that committed this atrocity should have already been hung. There once was a time when you had to pay a consequence for your actions, but you can't do that anymore and as a result there is nothing holding people back from crimes like this.
The Indy ghetto sounds like a nice place, people still have their heads screwed on straight. As a suggestion stay away from St. Louis, Baltimore, Detroit, and L.A. ghettos, they aren't as nice. For some reason they're all about getting "The Man" there. Wonder what that's all about, can you enlighten us on that?
I've worked in Atlanta and lived in Savannah and visited family in Pascagoula, I can't quite call myself a Southerner, but I am familiar with how some Southerners feel about Northerners. I haven't been to St. Louis or L.A. but Detroit and Baltimore definitely have the, "I have to stick it the Man" feeling. My thought on this is that a lot of poor neighborhoods are in close proximity to gentrified neighborhoods. People can see what can be achieved when breaking free from the ghetto and that life, but it's easier said than done. For those that can't leave, the ghetto is a depressing place and anyone outside of that represents some pseudo-conspiracy to keep them there. The reality is, most of us make the chains that bind us, that's my take on it.
I agree with this move. The version of the confederate flag (stars and bars...or whatever it's called) that is used in this game is undeniably rooted in pure racism. I say you put the racist flag in the "Evils of Humans" museum and replace it with the first confederate flag and you keep your historical relevance. But at the end of the day the real fight will always be against systemic racism in this country and not just the symbolic appearance of it in flags and words.
I'm pleased to see that the usual manic Apple defenders are not taking up Apple's cause on this one. Apple does most things right, but it does some things wrong, and this is one of them.
That said, I don't think this is the same thing as South Carolina, etc. I do think that the battle flag should not be flying over public buildings (except perhaps Civil War or Confederate museums). Even aside from the negative associations, it's not the current flag of any public entity, and they shouldn't be flying flags that don't reflect their current political identity (except when ambassadors are visiting, etc. -- but the Confederacy no longer has ambassadors).
This reminds me of every instance that someone jumps on the bandwagon just for the sake of compliance, without reflection and common sense. Maybe that is what I'm doing by speaking up on an obscure blog that no one will read to speak my mind. For some reason, this "me too, me too" attitude doesn't sound like Apple though it seems more and more the direction that company is taking. What I hope this new confederate outburst is about changing this countries focus on obscene and literally obnoxious symbols of hate and violence so we can move together into a progressive world where we can look at one another without hateful intent. Civil war games are the least offensive in the video game world. People use the entire video game platform to promote flagrant sexism, murder, and war and violence and when people play they say it is 'only' a game yet they have altered their world view little by little. While there are many good games that focus on problem solving and logic, it is the games that have the most violence that stand out the most. Pattern and habit make the world go round and our fear and aversion to change, are in part, dictated by the nature of the biggest addictions, sex and war. How about Grand Theft Auto for example? That game is actually tame by todays standards. We need to stop reacting to the things that should have been changed a hundred years ago. Celebrating treason and hate can not be the way to go. Let us move forward in a good way, focusing on the values that make us great, instead of the ones that make us mediocre... and dead.
It's the first time I agree with most posts in a thread.
Many posters on this thread are misinformed. There are plenty of Confederate flags in the iTunes store which you could verify for yourself if you bothered to type the word Confederate into the search. Only the apps with the Confederate Flag used in an offensive or mean-spirited way were removed.
Look... The United States didn't become the country that it is overnight, it has taken 400 plus years to get to this point. In that same timeframe we have had 400 years of ruthless oppression from European-Americans and the US government against African-Americans. Do you really think that within a full generation (the last 40 years of slow change in racism) that the people could recover to greatness? I think that the fact that African-Americans are still around and experience forms of success is a testament to their adversity. The "ghetto" is not the final chapter for the African-American story in this country, it's the reminder that we still have work to do in this one of a kind American success story.
The real question should be how do the people with unearned privilege not all become successful?
They go after a few non-relevant games, yet Call of Duty is still available, Dukes of Hazzard and dixie horn tones are available, plenty of album artwork contains battle flags of Virginia..
And they have monthly LGBT campaigns on iTunes and the app stores, letting children access that type of material when pornography is banned
Poor, pitiful Apple. The company yanks a Civil War game merely because it contains the flags of both belligerents. Yet it continues to sell a film that glories slavery. Even worse, the iTunes Store doesn't have the decency to include a trigger warning. It calls this lavishly done pro-slavery propaganda, a film that "defines the classic Old Hollywood epic. Classic racism would be more accurate.
You see this over and over again with corporate executives. They're so obsessed with sales and profits, that they lack sense in any other area. Even something as obvious as these rank inconsistencies is beyond them. All they can think about is avoiding a brief spat of hysteria-driven bad publicity.
Apple needs to either restore these harmless games or yank the genuinely bad "Gone with the Wind."
Hey netrox & pbrstreetg, when you cut & paste from your fake outrage doc -- it is only suggested language... you two did a straight copy & paste like childish sheeple. Wise up.
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...Pro-Confedderates (sic) are the biggest threat to our national security.They are hoarding guns, clinging to their Bibles, and refusing to respect different viewpoints.
Cognitive dissonance at its best.
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Originally Posted by PBRSTREETG
Have you even been to the South? Pro-Confederates, hoarding guns, clinging to Bibles, and refusing to respect different viewpoints actually exist in significant numbers. Southerners are still pissed off with the North.
Except Apple didn't ban apps that were selling the Confederate flag. These were civil war games. You can't ban history. And since the guy who killed these nine people did so with a gun should Apple ban any games on the App Store that involved shooting and guns?
Since I've been ant-violence before it was a fad and before even gaming came to be, I would support that initiative.
I don't care what or who the victims are, whether imagined, real or originally inanimate like fruits.... I don't see the value in immersing oneself in killing things. Period.
Are you WhiteFlacon in disguise? I've lived in the ghetto in Indianapolis for many years and I hate to break this to you but inner-city ghettos are very American, with many people from that community attending church on Sunday. That's more American to me than some gun hoarding nut who thinks that as the pure master race, it will be up to them and their brotherhood to be prepared to take back America from Obama and the DHS StormBamaTroopers.
Kind of ironic that living in a ghetto you'd be so comfortable spouting such ugly bigotries.
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How can anyone be offended by a flag, it's just a flag.
Bloody professional complainers and middle-aged white people worried about actually offending people so get offended on someone else's behalf.
Does not take much for these quacks to get offended.
I have edited this reply multiple times trying to express my dismay about Apple joining a censorship movement. My thoughts covered a wide spectrum of emotion. I knew other companies were doing it and it did not bother me. I saw censorship, but I ignored it and them. They do not matter to me. Apple matters to me.
I decided to go to an extreme case as an example of a censorship nightmare Apple itself has opened.
How many parents and non-parents in this country can find something wrong with this unedited picture of the iTunes Movies home screen?
Wow, you thats a real zinger there! I've lived in the south for many years and I hate to break it to you but the South is very American. Can't say I've run in to any one "ready to take back America from Obama and the DHS StormBamaTroopers." But then again I've only spent time in about 12 southern states.
Whether someone hoards guns or Nintendo games makes no difference on whether or not they love their country. It's their actions in the world is what defines them. The nutcase that committed this atrocity should have already been hung. There once was a time when you had to pay a consequence for your actions, but you can't do that anymore and as a result there is nothing holding people back from crimes like this.
The Indy ghetto sounds like a nice place, people still have their heads screwed on straight. As a suggestion stay away from St. Louis, Baltimore, Detroit, and L.A. ghettos, they aren't as nice. For some reason they're all about getting "The Man" there. Wonder what that's all about, can you enlighten us on that?
I've worked in Atlanta and lived in Savannah and visited family in Pascagoula, I can't quite call myself a Southerner, but I am familiar with how some Southerners feel about Northerners. I haven't been to St. Louis or L.A. but Detroit and Baltimore definitely have the, "I have to stick it the Man" feeling. My thought on this is that a lot of poor neighborhoods are in close proximity to gentrified neighborhoods. People can see what can be achieved when breaking free from the ghetto and that life, but it's easier said than done. For those that can't leave, the ghetto is a depressing place and anyone outside of that represents some pseudo-conspiracy to keep them there. The reality is, most of us make the chains that bind us, that's my take on it.
Completely stupid.
I'm pleased to see that the usual manic Apple defenders are not taking up Apple's cause on this one. Apple does most things right, but it does some things wrong, and this is one of them.
That said, I don't think this is the same thing as South Carolina, etc. I do think that the battle flag should not be flying over public buildings (except perhaps Civil War or Confederate museums). Even aside from the negative associations, it's not the current flag of any public entity, and they shouldn't be flying flags that don't reflect their current political identity (except when ambassadors are visiting, etc. -- but the Confederacy no longer has ambassadors).
May I ask what color you are? I'm going with........... pink or green...
It's the first time I agree with most posts in a thread.
Many posters on this thread are misinformed. There are plenty of Confederate flags in the iTunes store which you could verify for yourself if you bothered to type the word Confederate into the search. Only the apps with the Confederate Flag used in an offensive or mean-spirited way were removed.
Maybe we can get Taylor Swift to one another letter to Apple explaining how stupid this is.
Or get Lynyrd Skynyrd to pen and record a pithy reply, like 'Sweet Home Alabama.'
I don't approve of Apple's censorship efforts so am totally opposed to this nonsense.
Look... The United States didn't become the country that it is overnight, it has taken 400 plus years to get to this point. In that same timeframe we have had 400 years of ruthless oppression from European-Americans and the US government against African-Americans. Do you really think that within a full generation (the last 40 years of slow change in racism) that the people could recover to greatness? I think that the fact that African-Americans are still around and experience forms of success is a testament to their adversity. The "ghetto" is not the final chapter for the African-American story in this country, it's the reminder that we still have work to do in this one of a kind American success story.
The real question should be how do the people with unearned privilege not all become successful?
They go after a few non-relevant games, yet Call of Duty is still available, Dukes of Hazzard and dixie horn tones are available, plenty of album artwork contains battle flags of Virginia..
And they have monthly LGBT campaigns on iTunes and the app stores, letting children access that type of material when pornography is banned
Tim Cook must go. The company has lost it's way.
I am referring, of course to this film:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/movie/gone-with-the-wind/id324708730
You see this over and over again with corporate executives. They're so obsessed with sales and profits, that they lack sense in any other area. Even something as obvious as these rank inconsistencies is beyond them. All they can think about is avoiding a brief spat of hysteria-driven bad publicity.
Apple needs to either restore these harmless games or yank the genuinely bad "Gone with the Wind."
Hey netrox & pbrstreetg, when you cut & paste from your fake outrage doc -- it is only suggested language... you two did a straight copy & paste like childish sheeple. Wise up.
Quote:
...Pro-Confedderates (sic) are the biggest threat to our national security. They are hoarding guns, clinging to their Bibles, and refusing to respect different viewpoints.
Cognitive dissonance at its best.
Have you even been to the South? Pro-Confederates, hoarding guns, clinging to Bibles, and refusing to respect different viewpoints actually exist in significant numbers. Southerners are still pissed off with the North.
Since I've been ant-violence before it was a fad and before even gaming came to be, I would support that initiative.
I don't care what or who the victims are, whether imagined, real or originally inanimate like fruits.... I don't see the value in immersing oneself in killing things. Period.
Are you WhiteFlacon in disguise? I've lived in the ghetto in Indianapolis for many years and I hate to break this to you but inner-city ghettos are very American, with many people from that community attending church on Sunday. That's more American to me than some gun hoarding nut who thinks that as the pure master race, it will be up to them and their brotherhood to be prepared to take back America from Obama and the DHS StormBamaTroopers.
Kind of ironic that living in a ghetto you'd be so comfortable spouting such ugly bigotries.