Discussion with a PC IT guy and "the bet"

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splinemodelsplinemodel
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in General Discussion edited January 2014
I went for a meeting involving kiosk setups for a big event to happen next week in Princeton (reunions), and I was talking to the full time IT guy, who had a lot of praise to offer for File Maker Pro on a win2k notebook. Whatever: I didn't tell him that Apple made FMP. I started talking about OS X, and he asks me if it's stable. . . I said "yes, it's like a rock. It's BSD and OpenStep." Then he greets me with this skepticism. . .



So I went ahead and crashed his computer with the often sure-fire combination of open certain files out of IE with background apps kicking. He spent a futile 15 mins at the helm of my TiBook in response.



That was fun, but it didn't make me popular. I wouldn't have been so bad for him if I didn't have MySQL and PHP capabilities as well.



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  • Reply 1 of 49
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,464member
    You should welcome Skepticism from PC IT Lemmings. That's generally a myopic bunch who have had the virtues of Windoze pounded into their heads to the point where they actually believe the Microsoft Marketing Hype. It's sad really. OSX is making some pretty good inroads and it certainly develops faster than Windows X does(Is XP all that better than 2000...I think not). Give it some time and he'll be eating his words. Besides you should go to Freebsd.org as somewhere they have a list of all the huge Websites served by BSD.
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  • Reply 2 of 49
    ghost_user_nameghost_user_name Posts: 22,667member
    I don't think they believe Redmond marketing hype. I think they're people that, over the years, have become very comfortable with using a particular platform, and in some strange way have a bit of loyalty to it.



    My cycling team in HS was sponsored by Smith, and although I'm not sponsored by them anymore, I still buy Smith sunglasses, and not really anything else (tho Rudy Project has been tempting). It's just a sense of loyalty that developed from just using Smith products and not having a lot of complaints.



    They're not morons, simply skeptical of Apple, and I don't blame them.
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  • Reply 3 of 49
    scott_h_phdscott_h_phd Posts: 448member
    I'm not a big fan of OS X. I think Apple blew and left too many behind. Now the "Quartz Extreme" they are needlessly leaving more behind. But ... it is stable. Just dirt ****ing slow for no good reason.
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  • Reply 4 of 49
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,464member
    [quote]Originally posted by scott_h_phd:

    <strong>I'm not a big fan of OS X. I think Apple blew and left too many behind. Now the "Quartz Extreme" they are needlessly leaving more behind. But ... it is stable. Just dirt ****ing slow for no good reason.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Scott you illustrate one of the major problems within the Mac Community. Out of all the features that Jaguar will provide some have chosen to polarize themselves over one feature.



    Granted OSX's GUI is slow right now but I still expect for speed to improve even without Quartz Extreme.



    Portable users shouldn't be complaining so much as battery life in most cases is most important.



    A computer is a tool...whether QE is available or not isn't a back breaker IMO.





    M3D Jack. My opinion is IT Staff should never let themselves get too comfy. If your not pushing yourself to get more knowledge then you've limited yourself as an asset to your company.
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  • Reply 5 of 49
    zapchudzapchud Posts: 844member
    [quote]Originally said by r-0X#Zapchud's IT Teacher:

    <strong>Unix is not much used as a network-OS. However, Windows and Novell are.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    [quote]Originally said by r-0X#Zapchud's IT Teacher:

    <strong>When Windows 98 was intoduced, DOS was no more used in the OS.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    people...
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  • Reply 6 of 49
    aslanaslan Posts: 97member
    Scott is at it again....



    Well so much for hoping your head would find its way out with the next bowel movement....



    You don't happen to have horns, a big club, and live under a bridge do you? ...stinkin' troll....



    r-0X#Zapchud: Frightening huh? Sad that he is the teacher... no wonder there are so many "well-informed" idiots wandering around making IT a job from hell for people with a brain in their head. I wonder if your teacher got his degree from the same "fine establishment" that (accidentally?) gave scott a PhD? hmmmm



    <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
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  • Reply 7 of 49
    zapchudzapchud Posts: 844member
    yes, it is scaring. and it is not much I can do about it either :/
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  • Reply 8 of 49
    scott_h_phdscott_h_phd Posts: 448member
    You hate me because you know I'm right. Should I detail how stupid it is for Apple to use OpenGL for their 2D graphics API or is that covered in another thread?
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  • Reply 9 of 49
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,464member
    [quote]Originally posted by scott_h_phd:

    <strong>You hate me because you know I'm right. Should I detail how stupid it is for Apple to use OpenGL for their 2D graphics API or is that covered in another thread?</strong><hr></blockquote>



    I don't think Apple has much of a choice. Microsoft is rumored to be using a future version of DirectX for it's GUI acceleration in "Longhorn" an intermediate upgrade to Windows coming before Blackcomb. Apple has no other choice but to use OpenGL.
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  • Reply 10 of 49
    bellebelle Posts: 1,574member
    [quote]Originally posted by hmurchison:

    <strong>Scott you illustrate one of the major problems within the Mac Community. Out of all the features that Jaguar will provide some have chosen to polarize themselves over one feature.

    Granted OSX's GUI is slow right now but I still expect for speed to improve even without Quartz Extreme.



    A computer is a tool...whether QE is available or not isn't a back breaker IMO.</strong><hr></blockquote>

    That really depends on whether Jaguar's GUI is fast without Quartz Extreme. If it requires QE for the performance to be satisfactory, and QE isn't just a nice little extra to ease processor loads, then it could very well be an issue.
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  • Reply 11 of 49
    scott_h_phdscott_h_phd Posts: 448member
    Is this a good time to mention that OpenGL is an API and NOT a form of hardware acceleration?
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  • Reply 12 of 49
    buonrottobuonrotto Posts: 6,368member
    We know that.
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  • Reply 13 of 49
    scott_h_phdscott_h_phd Posts: 448member
    And you still think it's great? Maybe it would be better for Apple to get the driver writters to hook Quartz to the graphics hardware directly and not via a 3rd party API that they have NO control over and could be bought by Micro... someone very very bad.



    Not a good way to make an OS!



    [ 05-22-2002: Message edited by: scott_h_phd ]</p>
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  • Reply 14 of 49
    buonrottobuonrotto Posts: 6,368member
    You demonstrate little knowledge of Quartz as well as graphics hardware.
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  • Reply 15 of 49
    splinemodelsplinemodel Posts: 7,311member
    Maybe I'm just a moron, but I was always under the impression that OpenGL was an open standard. Thus I don't think Microsoft could buy it.



    And Scott, cool down. As much as it seems that you know what your talking about, I can't help but sense that most of your argument is made up on the spot. What is your PhD in?
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  • Reply 16 of 49
    rubberduckyrubberducky Posts: 59member
    scott_h_phd: You're full of shit. Seriously.



    [quote]OSX is making some pretty good inroads and it certainly develops faster than Windows X does(Is XP all that better than 2000...I think not). <hr></blockquote>



    1) When the OS stagnates like the MacOS did for so long, it's just natural that when it got better, it would be leaps and bounds better. Look at the difference in quality between Windows 9x and 2000/XP



    2) XP is quite a bit better than 2000. The difference isn't as significant as the one between OS9 and OSX, but they're there (and useful). Remote desktop is cool, as well as fast user switching. The interface enhancements make things much easier, and GDI+ is quite a bit better than GDI, rivaling even Quartz.



    [quote]That was fun, but it didn't make me popular. I wouldn't have been so bad for him if I didn't have MySQL and PHP capabilities as well.<hr></blockquote>



    Bandy MySQL and PHP around all you want, but you aren't going to impress anyone who really knows what they're doing. You managed to find a full time IT guy who hasn't a clue what he's doing, which is admittedly way too easy to do. What OS was his system running?



    [ 05-22-2002: Message edited by: RubberDucky ]</p>
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  • Reply 17 of 49
    splinemodelsplinemodel Posts: 7,311member
    [quote]Originally posted by RubberDucky:

    <strong>scott_h_phd: You're full of shit. Seriously.







    Bandy MySQL and PHP around all you want, but you aren't going to impress anyone who really knows what they're doing. You managed to find a full time IT guy who hasn't a clue what he's doing, which is admittedly way too easy to do. What OS was his system running?



    [ 05-22-2002: Message edited by: RubberDucky ]</strong><hr></blockquote>



    legitimate concerns. Obviously he wasn't a star. As for the PHP mySQL concern, I don't do any serious backends. I am friggin EE, not a network engineer. But for little things, it's a pretty stellar combo.
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  • Reply 18 of 49
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,464member
    I'm under the impression that QE is a Wrapper for OpenGL. While it may not accelerate Quartz directly it seems to offload the work from the processor(something like that says King Chuang) meaning that the end result is acceleration anyways. I haven't seen the QE Movie showing fluid action but most people seem impressed.
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  • Reply 19 of 49
    zapchudzapchud Posts: 844member
    My IT Teacher did the supposedly impossible task of saying this in class today:



    [quote]Windows 98 and Millennium is not OS' that is used in networks.<hr></blockquote>



    We were arguing about my answer to a test I had recently, where he pulled an A+ to +B because of some answers I know for a fact is right, but he didn't agree. Then he said this, and "corrected" me...



    and since when did people stop defining harddrives as internal storage? I mean, internal ATA and SCSI harddrives, aren't they pretty much doing an important job as internal storage when ex. Virtual Memory is used?



    And, is Novell NetWare the by far largest networking-OS? (talking about marketshare)



    *pissed off*
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  • Reply 20 of 49
    aslanaslan Posts: 97member
    [quote]You hate me because you know I'm right. Should I detail how stupid it is for Apple to use OpenGL for their 2D graphics API or is that covered in another thread? <hr></blockquote>



    BWAH HA HA HA! OK!



    What a dipsh*t. First of all, I don't hate anyone, but when I see someone as stupid and clueless as you WAY up on a high horse, it is my inclination to say "SHUT THE F*** UP, you are making yourself look like an *** ".



    AFA I can tell, you are the only one doing the hating around here anyhow, and about things over which you have no control nor constructive arguments to apply towards.



    You don't think that OpenGL is good for 2D compositing? Then you don't know squat. And what would you suggest they implement Quartz Compositor with that easily supports the hardware in question?



    You clearly don't know what you are talking about. Go play some video games, or complain at a wall or something.... Jeezus H. Khrist....



    Here is something for you:

    "It is better to keep your mouth shut and look the fool than to open your friggin cakehole and remove all doubt"

    - some famous deadguy (Sam Clemens maybe? I forget)



    r-0X#Zapchud: That sux man. Sad your grades have to suffer in addition to the your pride cause you know you are correct.... grrr..That quote is hilarious... What networks is he talking about?



    I think that there a hell of a lot of UNIX flavored nets out there, but I know that Novell is particularly popular even if it does suck monkey sh*t....
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