It doesn't matter if you don't have a bag that needs searching. The time it takes for the search itself is non compensable time under FLSA, regardless of what needs to be search or the time it takes. This is the unanimous interpretation of the FLSA (and Portal to Portal Act of 1947) by the current US Supreme Court. The time it takes for the search is not a matter for the courts to decide. That is an issue that should be brought to the bargaining table of the employer not the courts. The only thing that matters to the courts is the search itself.
Just because the search may take longer than an employee may want, it doesn't in anyway mean that the employer must compensate the employees for the time it takes for the search. To FLSA, the time it takes for the search is no different than the non-compensable time it takes for an employee working on the 20th floor or a worker in an auto plant having to walk the distance of a football field to exit the building, after clocking out. Non-compensable time under FLSA is non-compensable no matter how much time it is.
Yes, but IMO, the Supreme Court got it wrong. (The Supreme Court does get things wrong from time to time, no?) And while it will be many years from now, I bet a future Supreme Court will change that ruling and/or Congress will eventually intervene.
And regardless of what the court ruled, IMO, Apple is foolish not to compensate its workers for this time because it's things like this that infuriate workers and could eventually lead them to bring in a union, something which Apple definitely wouldn't want and in the long run, will cost Apple far more than compensating the workers. When I worked in retail decades ago, I was in a union (although I didn't get much out of it), but one thing I did get was that they couldn't fire me without going through the union (although they eventually did). And there was no security search of any kind ever.
In my current consulting gigs, I make my clients pay for my time from the second I enter their buildings to the second I leave. My view is that it's either their time or my time. If it's their time, they have to pay. If it's my time, they don't. If I show up at the scheduled time and they're not ready to assign me work or they show up late for a meeting, that's their problem - they still have to pay me for that time. If I'm on the way out and someone grabs me to ask some technical questions, likewise. If I had to wait on some security line, it's their time.
In most full-time circumstances, most companies define most employees as a "manager", so they get paid a flat annual salary regardless of how much they work and they're "exempt" from overtime. Obviously in that case, the time it takes for the security check is a moot point. You can also be exempt if you hit a certain salary level. But this is also being abused and I heard something recently that the Feds are looking into this and are supposedly going to crack down.
Well, good. That completely and utterly destroys the lawsuit. This is new information that I don’t think we’ve seen yet.
Do you see that employee theft is a huge portion of retail theft and that Apple is a secretive company?
I don’t understand why you think you have the right to just waltz out of a store with stolen merchandise.
To insinuate that every Apple retail employee is stealing is sick!! I have in the past managed a major retailer stores for Loss Prevention and I can assure you at my store I never once saw anything that would indicated that there was any theft. Also back of house had to account for over 99.5% or the store inventory so if there was any shrinkage dues to theft they would of failed. MOST Apple employees would never steal and while I am sure some do at big store like NYC it is still very rare and Apple should compensate its employees for wasting their time. Its that simple...
To insinuate that every Apple retail employee is stealing is sick!!
Sure would be, wouldn’t it? Glad I didn’t do that.
I have in the past managed a major retailer stores for Loss Prevention and I can assure you at my store I never once saw anything that would indicated that there was any theft. MOST Apple employees would never steal…
Well, good. That still doesn’t mean most of retail theft isn’t internal.
Yep Jobs bought a bent surgeon to pop in his iLiver when medically contraindicated robbing someone of an infinitely longer + better quality than his 1 cancer riddled year after the transplant
Now before we begin lets just remind ourselves of the power of KOOL aid (well OK those with susceptible mind disability) remember those incredibly conceited diagrams of how "photo shopped" (coughs) pictures of Jobs last days were http://i.imgur.com/WV5Y0.jpg - with comments like Jobs doesn't have cancer, does he? drop your C*nts STR8 DOWN on the sharpest SWORD IMAGINABLE LMAPMP the webwide shame you'll NEVER live down, well here to remind you in flashing neon lights;
"I really hope he recovers and manages to live a good life."
"Anyone who believes this is naive. It's not that it not real, it's just that it 'probably' isn't."
"What? I've never even used it and I can tell this is a fake."
"Don't be stupid, this photo was photoshoped, the body belongs to an old woman and Steve's face was modified to make him look worse..."
"To put it simply, Apple has been lying to their shareholders about Jobs' health. From the photos it doesn't look like he'll be able to do any kind of work on either the board of Apple or Disney<or had been since the BEGINING of that year.Taking "a chair on the board" they deceive as per, yeah only in a coffin I said- being assessed unsuitable for Kool Aid drinking ...GEE WIZ!>
Jobs should have resigned months ago."
...OH sorry about the last one it was a genuine give a toss about the truth not ramming down the next iProduct up the A** or FCUK ALL OTHER HUMANITY or HUMAN SUFFERING EXCEPTIONALLY link to apple way beyond the means of a company feeling morality is at least implied
From an Apple fan with the contradictory attributes of intelligence AND compassion but most pervertedly an adherer to the scientific method - so thats you lot delusional evolutional cul-de-sacs cut out STR8 away(yes a scientist might be a Jobs fan but he found out how morally repugnant the man was in facing death desperately cheating another's infinitely medical chance at longer/better quality life), oncologist + blogger, long fighter of crApple HYPERBOLE (well he DOES have an IQ into treble figures after all not visible round these parts) ...
" "spots" on the peritoneum were indeed metastatic insulinoma, this new information leads me to question more strongly than I did in the past (actually, I didn’t question the decision much at all) whether a liver transplant was a reasonable course of action in Jobs’ case, given that Jobs’ tumor burden in his liver seems to have been much higher than previously reported"
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"Even Isaacson notes that by characterizing Jobs’ transplant as "a success, but not reassuring.That’s because extrahepatic disease (disease outside of the liver, which peritoneal implants qualify as) is usually a contraindication for liver transplant for cancer, at least in the case of hepatocellular cancer< no stooped fanbois your research of Jobs having heptacelluar cancer is WRONG atempted the scientific method means EPIC FAIL 4 U, try googling insulinoma (ie it gave him the symptoms "severe diabetes" iniatially before the cancer ravaging itself)>+ Jobs because the chance of recurrence is so high."
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?
As if needed further evidence that Jobs did indeed BUY the bent surgeon for the iLiver transplant that was blatantly medically contraindicated procedure. I thought the surgeon Dr James $$$$ Eason was quoted as "only making a transplant if the recipient is CANCER FREE". not were $$$$ is concerned clearly.. WOOSH goes his hipcratic oath
Enjoy deluding yourselves + fellow parol masters with CLICKBAIT! CLICKBAIT! *Repeat like demnented parrots/crApple customers/victims (yes thanks 2 U they are the RICHEST co. ever) AKA crApple watch sales epic COLLAPSE™ no crApple aren't ignoring all the endless negitive articles er sorry meant CLICKBAIT! + won't be doing any PR to contract their CLICKBAIT! lies!
Ah thats better I've dismissed all that FUD being the empty headed Apple REEMED senseless that I am.
PS Don't forget apple says Macs DONT OVERHEAT they have a special inbuilt mechansim that PCs don't =cut out at 100°C just like Macs didn't need anti-viruses unlike PC cos apple build ther OS's MUCH more secure than WINBLOWS ... err well now AV come standard with Mac... spot the highly manipulative taking advantage of the ignorant + low IQ..STOOPID... oh WOOPS you missed being reamed again .. how old is HFS+ 10 years? DATA widespread data corruption as usual ignored by apple (remember that IPHONE3G - yes say/do nothing + they will give up who cares if the problems stays) , well at least it matches th backwardness of OSX .Who wants touch screen tech on a Mac, Mac users dont as crApple will NEVER be making on a Mac - LOVE you don't they
CrApple XXX
PS Qu How can the current crApple COE be a philanthropist? Yep i just worked it out long before I was convinced he was with that very genuine, compassioned, understanding detailed reasons for comming response.
Hint: This isn't a trick question (knowing how U R ALL victims of crApple PEERLESS manipulation + deceit!)
jobs $$ for bet surgeon MEDICALLY deprived real recipient of longer life + quality
Now before we begin lets just remind ourselves of the power of KOOL aid (well OK those with susceptible mind disability) remember those incredibly conceited diagrams of how "photo shopped" (coughs) pictures of Jobs last days were http://i.imgur.com/WV5Y0.jpg - with comments like Jobs doesn't have cancer, does he? drop your C*nts STR8 DOWN on the sharpest SWORD IMAGINABLE LMAPMP the webwide shame you'll NEVER live down, well here to remind you in flashing neon lights;
"I really hope he recovers and manages to live a good life."
"Anyone who believes this is naive. It's not that it not real, it's just that it 'probably' isn't."
"What? I've never even used it and I can tell this is a fake."
"Don't be stupid, this photo was photoshoped, the body belongs to an old woman and Steve's face was modified to make him look worse..."
"To put it simply, Apple has been lying to their shareholders about Jobs' health. From the photos it doesn't look like he'll be able to do any kind of work on either the board of Apple or Disney<or had been since the BEGINING of that year.Taking "a chair on the board" they deceive as per, yeah only in a coffin I said- being assessed unsuitable for Kool Aid drinking ...GEE WIZ!>
Jobs should have resigned months ago."
...OH sorry about the last one it was a genuine give a toss about the truth not ramming down the next iProduct up the A** or FCUK ALL OTHER HUMANITY or HUMAN SUFFERING EXCEPTIONALLY link to apple way beyond the means of a company feeling morality is at least implied
From an Apple fan with the contradictory attributes of intelligence AND compassion but most pervertedly an adherer to the scientific method - so thats you lot delusional evolutional cul-de-sacs cut out STR8 away(yes a scientist might be a Jobs fan but he found out how morally repugnant the man was in facing death desperately cheating another's infinitely medical chance at longer/better quality life), oncologist + blogger, long fighter of crApple HYPERBOLE (well he DOES have an IQ into treble figures after all not visible round these parts) ...
" "spots" on the peritoneum were indeed metastatic insulinoma, this new information leads me to question more strongly than I did in the past (actually, I didn’t question the decision much at all) whether a liver transplant was a reasonable course of action in Jobs’ case, given that Jobs’ tumor burden in his liver seems to have been much higher than previously reported"
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"Even Isaacson notes that by characterizing Jobs’ transplant as "a success, but not reassuring.That’s because extrahepatic disease (disease outside of the liver, which peritoneal implants qualify as) is usually a contraindication for liver transplant for cancer, at least in the case of hepatocellular cancer< no stooped fanbois your research of Jobs having heptacelluar cancer is WRONG atempted the scientific method means EPIC FAIL 4 U, try googling insulinoma (ie it gave him the symptoms "severe diabetes" iniatially before the cancer ravaging itself)>+ Jobs because the chance of recurrence is so high."
?
?
As if needed further evidence that Jobs did indeed BUY the bent surgeon for the iLiver transplant that was blatantly medically contraindicated procedure. I thought the surgeon Dr James $$$$ Eason was quoted as "only making a transplant if the recipient is CANCER FREE". not were $$$$ is concerned clearly.. WOOSH goes his hipcratic oath
Enjoy deluding yourselves + fellow parol masters with CLICKBAIT! CLICKBAIT! *Repeat like demnented parrots/crApple customers/victims (yes thanks 2 U they are the RICHEST co. ever) AKA crApple watch sales epic COLLAPSE™ no crApple aren't ignoring all the endless negitive articles er sorry meant CLICKBAIT! + won't be doing any PR to contract their CLICKBAIT! lies!
Ah thats better I've dismissed all that FUD being the empty headed Apple REEMED senseless that I am.
PS Don't forget apple says Macs DONT OVERHEAT they have a special inbuilt mechansim that PCs don't =cut out at 100°C just like Macs didn't need anti-viruses unlike PC cos apple build ther OS's MUCH more secure than WINBLOWS ... err well now AV come standard with Mac... spot the highly manipulative taking advantage of the ignorant + low IQ..STOOPID... oh WOOPS you missed being reamed again .. how old is HFS+ 10 years? DATA widespread data corruption as usual ignored by apple (remember that IPHONE3G - yes say/do nothing + they will give up who cares if the problems stays) , well at least it matches th backwardness of OSX .Who wants touch screen tech on a Mac, Mac users dont as crApple will NEVER be making on a Mac - LOVE you don't they
CrApple XXX
PS Qu How can the current crApple COE be a philanthropist? Yep i just worked it out long before I was convinced he was with that very genuine, compassioned, understanding detailed reasons for comming response.
Hint: This isn't a trick question (knowing how U R ALL victims of crApple PEERLESS manipulation + deceit!)
Comments
It doesn't matter if you don't have a bag that needs searching. The time it takes for the search itself is non compensable time under FLSA, regardless of what needs to be search or the time it takes. This is the unanimous interpretation of the FLSA (and Portal to Portal Act of 1947) by the current US Supreme Court. The time it takes for the search is not a matter for the courts to decide. That is an issue that should be brought to the bargaining table of the employer not the courts. The only thing that matters to the courts is the search itself.
Just because the search may take longer than an employee may want, it doesn't in anyway mean that the employer must compensate the employees for the time it takes for the search. To FLSA, the time it takes for the search is no different than the non-compensable time it takes for an employee working on the 20th floor or a worker in an auto plant having to walk the distance of a football field to exit the building, after clocking out. Non-compensable time under FLSA is non-compensable no matter how much time it is.
http://www.wagehourinsights.com/donning-and-doffing/unanimous-supreme-court-rules-employer-need-not-pay-for-worker-security-screenings-integrity-staffin/
Yes, but IMO, the Supreme Court got it wrong. (The Supreme Court does get things wrong from time to time, no?) And while it will be many years from now, I bet a future Supreme Court will change that ruling and/or Congress will eventually intervene.
And regardless of what the court ruled, IMO, Apple is foolish not to compensate its workers for this time because it's things like this that infuriate workers and could eventually lead them to bring in a union, something which Apple definitely wouldn't want and in the long run, will cost Apple far more than compensating the workers. When I worked in retail decades ago, I was in a union (although I didn't get much out of it), but one thing I did get was that they couldn't fire me without going through the union (although they eventually did). And there was no security search of any kind ever.
In my current consulting gigs, I make my clients pay for my time from the second I enter their buildings to the second I leave. My view is that it's either their time or my time. If it's their time, they have to pay. If it's my time, they don't. If I show up at the scheduled time and they're not ready to assign me work or they show up late for a meeting, that's their problem - they still have to pay me for that time. If I'm on the way out and someone grabs me to ask some technical questions, likewise. If I had to wait on some security line, it's their time.
In most full-time circumstances, most companies define most employees as a "manager", so they get paid a flat annual salary regardless of how much they work and they're "exempt" from overtime. Obviously in that case, the time it takes for the security check is a moot point. You can also be exempt if you hit a certain salary level. But this is also being abused and I heard something recently that the Feds are looking into this and are supposedly going to crack down.
Well, good. That completely and utterly destroys the lawsuit. This is new information that I don’t think we’ve seen yet.
Do you see that employee theft is a huge portion of retail theft and that Apple is a secretive company?
I don’t understand why you think you have the right to just waltz out of a store with stolen merchandise.
To insinuate that every Apple retail employee is stealing is sick!! I have in the past managed a major retailer stores for Loss Prevention and I can assure you at my store I never once saw anything that would indicated that there was any theft. Also back of house had to account for over 99.5% or the store inventory so if there was any shrinkage dues to theft they would of failed. MOST Apple employees would never steal and while I am sure some do at big store like NYC it is still very rare and Apple should compensate its employees for wasting their time. Its that simple...
Sure would be, wouldn’t it? Glad I didn’t do that.
Well, good. That still doesn’t mean most of retail theft isn’t internal.
Yep Jobs bought a bent surgeon to pop in his iLiver when medically contraindicated robbing someone of an infinitely longer + better quality than his 1 cancer riddled year after the transplant
Now before we begin lets just remind ourselves of the power of KOOL aid (well OK those with susceptible mind disability) remember those incredibly conceited diagrams of how "photo shopped" (coughs) pictures of Jobs last days were http://i.imgur.com/WV5Y0.jpg - with comments like Jobs doesn't have cancer, does he? drop your C*nts STR8 DOWN on the sharpest SWORD IMAGINABLE LMAPMP the webwide shame you'll NEVER live down, well here to remind you in flashing neon lights;
http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/steve-looks-really-sick-poor-guy.1219371/page-15
"I really hope he recovers and manages to live a good life."
"Anyone who believes this is naive. It's not that it not real, it's just that it 'probably' isn't."
"What? I've never even used it and I can tell this is a fake."
"Don't be stupid, this photo was photoshoped, the body belongs to an old woman and Steve's face was modified to make him look worse..."
"To put it simply, Apple has been lying to their shareholders about Jobs' health. From the photos it doesn't look like he'll be able to do any kind of work on either the board of Apple or Disney<or had been since the BEGINING of that year.Taking "a chair on the board" they deceive as per, yeah only in a coffin I said- being assessed unsuitable for Kool Aid drinking ...GEE WIZ!>
Jobs should have resigned months ago."
...OH sorry about the last one it was a genuine give a toss about the truth not ramming down the next iProduct up the A** or FCUK ALL OTHER HUMANITY or HUMAN SUFFERING EXCEPTIONALLY link to apple way beyond the means of a company feeling morality is at least implied
From an Apple fan with the contradictory attributes of intelligence AND compassion but most pervertedly an adherer to the scientific method - so thats you lot delusional evolutional cul-de-sacs cut out STR8 away(yes a scientist might be a Jobs fan but he found out how morally repugnant the man was in facing death desperately cheating another's infinitely medical chance at longer/better quality life), oncologist + blogger, long fighter of crApple HYPERBOLE (well he DOES have an IQ into treble figures after all not visible round these parts)
...
ORAC
mad aplause, bow, courtsy etc etc
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http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/10/31/just-one-more-thing/
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" "spots" on the peritoneum were indeed metastatic insulinoma, this new information leads me to question more strongly than I did in the past (actually, I didn’t question the decision much at all) whether a liver transplant was a reasonable course of action in Jobs’ case, given that Jobs’ tumor burden in his liver seems to have been much higher than previously reported"
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"Even Isaacson notes that by characterizing Jobs’ transplant as "a success, but not reassuring.That’s because extrahepatic disease (disease outside of the liver, which peritoneal implants qualify as) is usually a contraindication for liver transplant for cancer, at least in the case of hepatocellular cancer< no stooped fanbois your research of Jobs having heptacelluar cancer is WRONG atempted the scientific method means EPIC FAIL 4 U, try googling insulinoma (ie it gave him the symptoms "severe diabetes" iniatially before the cancer ravaging itself)>+ Jobs because the chance of recurrence is so high."
?
?
As if needed further evidence that Jobs did indeed BUY the bent surgeon for the iLiver transplant that was blatantly medically contraindicated procedure. I thought the surgeon Dr James $$$$ Eason was quoted as "only making a transplant if the recipient is CANCER FREE". not were $$$$ is concerned clearly.. WOOSH goes his hipcratic oath
Enjoy deluding yourselves + fellow parol masters with CLICKBAIT! CLICKBAIT! *Repeat like demnented parrots/crApple customers/victims (yes thanks 2 U they are the RICHEST co. ever) AKA crApple watch sales epic COLLAPSE™ no crApple aren't ignoring all the endless negitive articles er sorry meant CLICKBAIT! + won't be doing any PR to contract their CLICKBAIT! lies!
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CLICKBAIT!CLICKBAIT!CLICKBAIT!CLICKBAIT!CLICKBAIT!CLICKBAIT!CLICKBAIT!CLICKBAIT!CLICKBAIT!CLICKBAIT!CLICKBAIT!CLICKBAIT!CLICKBAIT!CLICKBAIT!CLICKBAIT!CLICKBAIT!
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Ah thats better I've dismissed all that FUD being the empty headed Apple REEMED senseless that I am.
PS Don't forget apple says Macs DONT OVERHEAT they have a special inbuilt mechansim that PCs don't =cut out at 100°C just like Macs didn't need anti-viruses unlike PC cos apple build ther OS's MUCH more secure than WINBLOWS ... err well now AV come standard with Mac... spot the highly manipulative taking advantage of the ignorant + low IQ..STOOPID... oh WOOPS you missed being reamed again .. how old is HFS+ 10 years? DATA widespread data corruption as usual ignored by apple (remember that IPHONE3G - yes say/do nothing + they will give up who cares if the problems stays) , well at least it matches th backwardness of OSX .Who wants touch screen tech on a Mac, Mac users dont as crApple will NEVER be making on a Mac - LOVE you don't they
CrApple XXX
PS Qu How can the current crApple COE be a philanthropist? Yep i just worked it out long before I was convinced he was with that very genuine, compassioned, understanding detailed reasons for comming response.
Hint: This isn't a trick question (knowing how U R ALL victims of crApple PEERLESS manipulation + deceit!)
jobs $$ for bet surgeon MEDICALLY deprived real recipient of longer life + quality
Now before we begin lets just remind ourselves of the power of KOOL aid (well OK those with susceptible mind disability) remember those incredibly conceited diagrams of how "photo shopped" (coughs) pictures of Jobs last days were http://i.imgur.com/WV5Y0.jpg - with comments like Jobs doesn't have cancer, does he? drop your C*nts STR8 DOWN on the sharpest SWORD IMAGINABLE LMAPMP the webwide shame you'll NEVER live down, well here to remind you in flashing neon lights;
http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/steve-looks-really-sick-poor-guy.1219371/page-15
"I really hope he recovers and manages to live a good life."
"Anyone who believes this is naive. It's not that it not real, it's just that it 'probably' isn't."
"What? I've never even used it and I can tell this is a fake."
"Don't be stupid, this photo was photoshoped, the body belongs to an old woman and Steve's face was modified to make him look worse..."
"To put it simply, Apple has been lying to their shareholders about Jobs' health. From the photos it doesn't look like he'll be able to do any kind of work on either the board of Apple or Disney<or had been since the BEGINING of that year.Taking "a chair on the board" they deceive as per, yeah only in a coffin I said- being assessed unsuitable for Kool Aid drinking ...GEE WIZ!>
Jobs should have resigned months ago."
...OH sorry about the last one it was a genuine give a toss about the truth not ramming down the next iProduct up the A** or FCUK ALL OTHER HUMANITY or HUMAN SUFFERING EXCEPTIONALLY link to apple way beyond the means of a company feeling morality is at least implied
From an Apple fan with the contradictory attributes of intelligence AND compassion but most pervertedly an adherer to the scientific method - so thats you lot delusional evolutional cul-de-sacs cut out STR8 away(yes a scientist might be a Jobs fan but he found out how morally repugnant the man was in facing death desperately cheating another's infinitely medical chance at longer/better quality life), oncologist + blogger, long fighter of crApple HYPERBOLE (well he DOES have an IQ into treble figures after all not visible round these parts)
...
ORAC
mad aplause, bow, courtsy etc etc
?
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/10/31/just-one-more-thing/
?
" "spots" on the peritoneum were indeed metastatic insulinoma, this new information leads me to question more strongly than I did in the past (actually, I didn’t question the decision much at all) whether a liver transplant was a reasonable course of action in Jobs’ case, given that Jobs’ tumor burden in his liver seems to have been much higher than previously reported"
?
"Even Isaacson notes that by characterizing Jobs’ transplant as "a success, but not reassuring.That’s because extrahepatic disease (disease outside of the liver, which peritoneal implants qualify as) is usually a contraindication for liver transplant for cancer, at least in the case of hepatocellular cancer< no stooped fanbois your research of Jobs having heptacelluar cancer is WRONG atempted the scientific method means EPIC FAIL 4 U, try googling insulinoma (ie it gave him the symptoms "severe diabetes" iniatially before the cancer ravaging itself)>+ Jobs because the chance of recurrence is so high."
?
?
As if needed further evidence that Jobs did indeed BUY the bent surgeon for the iLiver transplant that was blatantly medically contraindicated procedure. I thought the surgeon Dr James $$$$ Eason was quoted as "only making a transplant if the recipient is CANCER FREE". not were $$$$ is concerned clearly.. WOOSH goes his hipcratic oath
Enjoy deluding yourselves + fellow parol masters with CLICKBAIT! CLICKBAIT! *Repeat like demnented parrots/crApple customers/victims (yes thanks 2 U they are the RICHEST co. ever) AKA crApple watch sales epic COLLAPSE™ no crApple aren't ignoring all the endless negitive articles er sorry meant CLICKBAIT! + won't be doing any PR to contract their CLICKBAIT! lies!
?
CLICKBAIT!CLICKBAIT!CLICKBAIT!CLICKBAIT!CLICKBAIT!CLICKBAIT!CLICKBAIT!CLICKBAIT!CLICKBAIT!CLICKBAIT!CLICKBAIT!CLICKBAIT!CLICKBAIT!CLICKBAIT!CLICKBAIT!CLICKBAIT!
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Ah thats better I've dismissed all that FUD being the empty headed Apple REEMED senseless that I am.
PS Don't forget apple says Macs DONT OVERHEAT they have a special inbuilt mechansim that PCs don't =cut out at 100°C just like Macs didn't need anti-viruses unlike PC cos apple build ther OS's MUCH more secure than WINBLOWS ... err well now AV come standard with Mac... spot the highly manipulative taking advantage of the ignorant + low IQ..STOOPID... oh WOOPS you missed being reamed again .. how old is HFS+ 10 years? DATA widespread data corruption as usual ignored by apple (remember that IPHONE3G - yes say/do nothing + they will give up who cares if the problems stays) , well at least it matches th backwardness of OSX .Who wants touch screen tech on a Mac, Mac users dont as crApple will NEVER be making on a Mac - LOVE you don't they
CrApple XXX
PS Qu How can the current crApple COE be a philanthropist? Yep i just worked it out long before I was convinced he was with that very genuine, compassioned, understanding detailed reasons for comming response.
Hint: This isn't a trick question (knowing how U R ALL victims of crApple PEERLESS manipulation + deceit!)