It's a shame we have so many insane members now, who fly off the handle if people say something the least bit negative. They'll stop at nothing, sacrifice every sacred cow, all in their pursuit of APPLE DOES NO WRONG, HOW DARE YOU CLAIM THEY DO.
Luckily, they are not giving away subscriptions to Apple Music.
Jim Dalrymple of The Loop has pretty much been an Apple cheerleader all around and all along, often, at least to me, rationalizing for Apple misteps. However, he came down hard on Apple Music, for a number of reasons, with a posting "Apple Music is a nightmare and I'm done with it". Worse, he says it's not likely to be fixed anytime soon.
Enjoy your headphones and pass on Apple Music.
You know, where is the AI headline article on *that*? Jim is a much more reliable source than most of the "insiders" AI cites.
Still not going to post a link? That means you have ZERO confidence in those links because they are all click bait from Business Insider, Reddit, ect. Show me a legit review that agrees with your assessment of Beats Solo2.
[@]hillstones[/@], this is where you offer up a mea culpa to show that you're intentionally trying to troll the forum.
Did you not read how he fucked himself or did you completely ignore that part?
"I trusted my data to Apple and they failed. I also failed by not backing up my library before installing Apple Music. I will not make either of those mistakes again."
I don't trust the opinion of anyone that foolish. That guy gets paid for his expertise and insights into tech, right?
Did you ignore the entire rest of his post where he describes in detail what's wrong with Apple Music and that there are many threads on Apple forums describing the same thing? Or that he's well regarded in the Apple community, or that he's as much of an Apple advocate as anyone, or his piece on Apple Music when it first came out and praised it, http://www.loopinsight.com/2015/06/30/first-look-apple-music/ or the fantastic piece on the Apple Watch?
Apple Music is not all that great. Apple Watch, yes, iPhone, yes, Macs, hell yes. Apple Music. Not so much.
It's OK for people to say Apple didn't make something that was great every now and then. You seem to defend Apple no matter what. I'm sure you thought Ping was great and defend that as well
It's a shame we have so many insane members now, who fly off the handle if people say something the least bit negative. They'll stop at nothing, sacrifice every sacred cow, all in their pursuit of APPLE DOES NO WRONG, HOW DARE YOU CLAIM THEY DO.
Why is this? I really don't understand it at all. You love Apple, I love Apple, most people on here love Apple but they do make mistakes and not everything they do is the best or better than everything else. Most things are but not everything.
Actually, they are pieces of garbage. Cheap components, glued together, and here is the kicker...pieces of metal added to make them heavier so the consumer is fooled to think they are higher quality because they are weigh more. Apparently, they have you fooled because you think they are pretty good. They are worth less than $20.
Did you ignore the entire rest of his post where he describes in detail what's wrong with Apple Music and that there are many threads on Apple forums describing the same thing? Or that he's well regarded in the Apple community, or that he's as much of an Apple advocate as anyone, or his piece on Apple Music when it first came out and praised it, http://www.loopinsight.com/2015/06/30/first-look-apple-music/ or the fantastic piece on the Apple Watch?
Apple Music is not all that great. Apple Watch, yes, iPhone, yes, Macs, hell yes. Apple Music. Not so much.
It's OK for people to say Apple didn't make something that was great every now and then. You seem to defend Apple no matter what. I'm sure you thought Ping was great and defend that as well
I guess I'm just not smart to understand so if you would be so kind as to explain to me why because Apple Music doesn't work for him it means that he shouldn't be responsible for the most basic proactive measures when it comes to securing his personal data*?
* "His personal data" is a bit of a stretch since, as Diarymple admits, he no only owns the physical CD which he used to make digital copies so one should assume, especially if he sold he CDs to another party, that he should no longer have rights to the now illicit rips. Either way, he's a dumbass.
I guess I'm just not smart to understand so if you would be so kind as to explain to me why because Apple Music doesn't work for him it means that he shouldn't be responsible for the most basic proactive measures when it comes to securing his personal data*?
* "His personal data" is a bit of a stretch since, as Diarymple admits, he no only owns the physical CD which he used to make digital copies so one should assume, especially if he sold he CDs to another party, that he should no longer have rights to the now illicit rips. Either way, he's a dumbass.
Sure! I'll agree with that he should of had a backup. Although, that wasn't his only issue. He detailed many other issues that he had as well.
Let's say he did backup all his music, it doesn't discount the horrible experience he had with Apple Music and why he's not going to use it anymore. The loss of music was just one of countless other factors.
I guess I'm just not smart to understand so if you would be so kind as to explain to me why because Apple Music doesn't work for him it means that he shouldn't be responsible for the most basic proactive measures when it comes to securing his personal data*?
I believe if you read through to the end of article he readily admits that he failed by not backing up his library before installing Apple Music.
That said, holy shit, Apple!!! WTF were you thinking, deleting music files not specifically (and accurately) tagged as Apple Music DRM'ed files?!?!? Why in the f*** would you even store them together, vs. in a parallel directory structure (i.e. separate "owned" iTunes Music vs. "subscription/DRM'ed" Apple Music) ?!?!?
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* "His personal data" is a bit of a stretch since, as Diarymple admits, he no only owns the physical CD which he used to make digital copies so one should assume, especially if he sold he CDs to another party, that he should no longer have rights to the now illicit rips. Either way, he's a dumbass.
* While I keep all my CDs (some from Amazon that came with "Auto Rip" MP3s are actually still shrinkwrapped), there are a lot of people who ditched their CDs when they believed (falsely, IMO) that downloads were the future. Among my group of friends, I'm definitely the outlier on this.
** Besides, wasn't this the scenario that iTunes Match was supposed to correct, once and for all?
Sure! I'll agree with that he should of had a backup. Although, that wasn't his only issue. He detailed many other issues that he had as well.
Let's say he did backup all his music, it doesn't discount the horrible experience he had with Apple Music and why he's not going to use it anymore. The loss of music was just one of countless other factors.
I don't care about this newly launched service from Apple, I have yet to try it, and until such time there is a compelling reason to try it — which may be never, as is the case with Ping et al. — I will ignore it. But that's all beside the point, my question to you is: how the **** do his issues with 1) a newly released, 1.0 service from Apple, and 2) Apple having a long history of cloud-based service issues (especially when it comes to the daunting task of having to manage both local client and cloud content on each device*), discount my comment about not trusting anyone that proclaims to be knowledgable in the tech industry not having the most basic backup solution in place?
* I read an interesting comment recently about the key differences between Apple and companies like Google when it comes to cloud computing. Apple has clearly has a long history of expertise with the iTunes Store so why can't they get this other part right. The main differentiator is Apple is having to work backwards to support local data and cloud data that is not synced, synced across devices via the cloud but not in the cloud, and synced in the cloud all at once which adds significant complexity compared to Google who simply has everything in their purview in the cloud.
It's a shame we have so many insane members now, who fly off the handle if people say something the least bit negative. They'll stop at nothing, sacrifice every sacred cow, all in their pursuit of APPLE DOES NO WRONG, HOW DARE YOU CLAIM THEY DO.
So, who are you referring to? I'm assuming myself? Because I brought forth evidence that an article that someone was using to backup up his "opinion" was a pack of lies and is discredited? Is that your definition of insanity, caring about details called "facts"? But of course, you give the real insane members, the ones who post and spread debunked lies to support their negative opinions a pass right- because you happen to share their ideologies? You're cool with people bashing Beats by linking to tear-downs of knockoff products, because you hate Beats yourself, right? Gotcha.
But please, have some guts and be specific in terms of the statements I made in this thread that you believe qualify as "insane". I'd love to know, beyond your horse-shit "APPLE DOES NO WRONG, HOW DARE YOU CLAIM THEY DO." strawman. I doubt you can find a SINGLE example of someone seriously stating as such on this forum.
It's a shame we have so many insane members now, who fly off the handle if people say something the least bit negative. They'll stop at nothing, sacrifice every sacred cow, all in their pursuit of APPLE DOES NO WRONG, HOW DARE YOU CLAIM THEY DO.
There's nothing wrong in being negative per se, if you're fact-based. Unless almost all your posts here are negative about Apple (e.g., Gatorguy).
Then, based on this, I shall stand corrected and admit to error.
Congratulations, you've done something as insanely rare as a mystical unicorn, which is admit to error on the internet in light of additional information. You have my respect.
Most parents can't justify buying $200 headphones for their kids.
But they can justify paying $1000+ for a laptop and then getting the headphones for 'free'
The genius is the part where Apple gets that many more people going around wearing beats headphones creating that much more brand awareness and making them the "must have" product for trend followers.
The bad part... isn't whether they are good or bad. I don't know/don't care. (I wouldn't pay $200 for them, personally.) If you have no need or no interest in owning this kind of headphones, the offer is of little value to you. Even if they are truly worth $200, they are worth nothing to me unless I go through the hassle of reselling them. I'd rather just have a $50 gift card and choose what I use it for than get something I don't want.
This is surely as much of a marketing campaign for the beats brand as it is a back-to-school promotion for Apple.
I own these. Great sound, flatter response than I was expecting at this price point. Folks shopping for Beats-style headsets might fault their visual aesthetics, but I could care less. I love 'em.
Sony MDR7506 owns Beat Solo on every category except color: lower frequency, better magnet (neodymium), coiled and longer cord, replaceable ear pad...mine was used with my drum machine for 20 years and still works great. I had to replace ear pads only once ($9)
The bad part... isn't whether they are good or bad. I don't know/don't care. (I wouldn't pay $200 for them, personally.) If you have no need or no interest in owning this kind of headphones, the offer is of little value to you. Even if they are truly worth $200, they are worth nothing to me unless I go through the hassle of reselling them. I'd rather just have a $50 gift card and choose what I use it for than get something I don't want.
This is surely as much of a marketing campaign for the beats brand as it is a back-to-school promotion for Apple.
This about sums it up for me. Granted I think there's no contest between the quality of other headphones in the same price range over Beats, but Beats is a brand statement to a particular demographic and generation, successfully crafted by master marketers at Beats before Apple acquired them. I suspect there is a reason, more than Brand identity, that Apple hasn't absorbed the line and started placing Apples on their products. Indeed, I'm a little embarrassed that Apple is giving away these headphones with their products, as I don't consider them of equal quality. In some respects the Beats headphones sully the reputation of Apple.
Whether the headphones can be sold or not, I agree, it's a bit of hassle, that I'd rather not go through. I would opt for the gift card as well, and buy a pair of headphones I'd prefer. But this is a marketing move on Apple's part to build the Beats brand so that one day they can fold it all into Apple. And it's genius move to get all the kids wearing them (most kids won't know the difference or care about the sound quality anyway). But that's the rub for me. I remember when Apple gave away an iPod Touch during a back-to-school promotion, and of course that's a quality product equatable with the rest of the Apple branded products. Substituting that for Beats Headphones is a bit of a step in the wrong direction. Then again, there's a lot of marketing value here, and the kids won't even remember this a year form now.
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It's a shame we have so many insane members now, who fly off the handle if people say something the least bit negative. They'll stop at nothing, sacrifice every sacred cow, all in their pursuit of APPLE DOES NO WRONG, HOW DARE YOU CLAIM THEY DO.
Luckily, they are not giving away subscriptions to Apple Music.
Jim Dalrymple of The Loop has pretty much been an Apple cheerleader all around and all along, often, at least to me, rationalizing for Apple misteps. However, he came down hard on Apple Music, for a number of reasons, with a posting "Apple Music is a nightmare and I'm done with it". Worse, he says it's not likely to be fixed anytime soon.
Enjoy your headphones and pass on Apple Music.
You know, where is the AI headline article on *that*? Jim is a much more reliable source than most of the "insiders" AI cites.
Still not going to post a link? That means you have ZERO confidence in those links because they are all click bait from Business Insider, Reddit, ect. Show me a legit review that agrees with your assessment of Beats Solo2.
Here are links of good reviews of Solo2
CNET - 4 out of 5 Stars
http://www.cnet.com/products/beats-solo-2/
Trusted Reviews 3.5 out of 5 stars
http://www.trustedreviews.com/beats-solo-2-review
PC Mag - 4 out of 5 stars
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2460252,00.asp
Best Buy - 4.7 out of 5 stars
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/beats-by-dr-dre-solo-2-on-ear-headphones-black/5565048.p?id=1219139427502&skuId=5565048
Tech Radar - 4 out of 5 stars
http://www.techradar.com/us/reviews/audio-visual/hi-fi-and-audio/headphones/beats-solo-2-wireless-1284158/review
Sound Guys - 4 out of 5 stars
http://www.soundguys.com/beats-solo-2-review-1450/
Digital Versus - 4 out of 5 stars
http://www.digitalversus.com/headphones/beats-by-dr-dre-solo-2-p20778/test.html
NY times - "It all adds up to the best all-around pair of Bluetooth headphones this year. "
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/beats-solo-2-wireless-headphones-review-article-1.2041894
Then, based on this, I shall stand corrected and admit to error.
Did you ignore the entire rest of his post where he describes in detail what's wrong with Apple Music and that there are many threads on Apple forums describing the same thing? Or that he's well regarded in the Apple community, or that he's as much of an Apple advocate as anyone, or his piece on Apple Music when it first came out and praised it, http://www.loopinsight.com/2015/06/30/first-look-apple-music/ or the fantastic piece on the Apple Watch?
Apple Music is not all that great. Apple Watch, yes, iPhone, yes, Macs, hell yes. Apple Music. Not so much.
It's OK for people to say Apple didn't make something that was great every now and then. You seem to defend Apple no matter what. I'm sure you thought Ping was great and defend that as well
Why is this? I really don't understand it at all. You love Apple, I love Apple, most people on here love Apple but they do make mistakes and not everything they do is the best or better than everything else. Most things are but not everything.
They're a testament to how good Sony's engineers were back in the day.
Some of us remember the Sony back in the day with impeccable design sense. My one knock against the 7506 is that they look hideous:
Actually, they are pieces of garbage. Cheap components, glued together, and here is the kicker...pieces of metal added to make them heavier so the consumer is fooled to think they are higher quality because they are weigh more. Apparently, they have you fooled because you think they are pretty good. They are worth less than $20.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/beats-by-dre-headphones-teardown-finds-metal-parts-included-just-to-add-weight/ ;
Widely debunked. They did a teardown of a knockoff. Digitaltrends should know better, but apparently didn't. Dolts.
Edit: And, I see AI forums have beaten me to the punch!
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I guess I'm just not smart to understand so if you would be so kind as to explain to me why because Apple Music doesn't work for him it means that he shouldn't be responsible for the most basic proactive measures when it comes to securing his personal data*?
* "His personal data" is a bit of a stretch since, as Diarymple admits, he no only owns the physical CD which he used to make digital copies so one should assume, especially if he sold he CDs to another party, that he should no longer have rights to the now illicit rips. Either way, he's a dumbass.
Sure! I'll agree with that he should of had a backup. Although, that wasn't his only issue. He detailed many other issues that he had as well.
Let's say he did backup all his music, it doesn't discount the horrible experience he had with Apple Music and why he's not going to use it anymore. The loss of music was just one of countless other factors.
I guess I'm just not smart to understand so if you would be so kind as to explain to me why because Apple Music doesn't work for him it means that he shouldn't be responsible for the most basic proactive measures when it comes to securing his personal data*?
I believe if you read through to the end of article he readily admits that he failed by not backing up his library before installing Apple Music.
That said, holy shit, Apple!!! WTF were you thinking, deleting music files not specifically (and accurately) tagged as Apple Music DRM'ed files?!?!? Why in the f*** would you even store them together, vs. in a parallel directory structure (i.e. separate "owned" iTunes Music vs. "subscription/DRM'ed" Apple Music) ?!?!?
* "His personal data" is a bit of a stretch since, as Diarymple admits, he no only owns the physical CD which he used to make digital copies so one should assume, especially if he sold he CDs to another party, that he should no longer have rights to the now illicit rips. Either way, he's a dumbass.
* While I keep all my CDs (some from Amazon that came with "Auto Rip" MP3s are actually still shrinkwrapped), there are a lot of people who ditched their CDs when they believed (falsely, IMO) that downloads were the future. Among my group of friends, I'm definitely the outlier on this.
** Besides, wasn't this the scenario that iTunes Match was supposed to correct, once and for all?
I don't care about this newly launched service from Apple, I have yet to try it, and until such time there is a compelling reason to try it — which may be never, as is the case with Ping et al. — I will ignore it. But that's all beside the point, my question to you is: how the **** do his issues with 1) a newly released, 1.0 service from Apple, and 2) Apple having a long history of cloud-based service issues (especially when it comes to the daunting task of having to manage both local client and cloud content on each device*), discount my comment about not trusting anyone that proclaims to be knowledgable in the tech industry not having the most basic backup solution in place?
* I read an interesting comment recently about the key differences between Apple and companies like Google when it comes to cloud computing. Apple has clearly has a long history of expertise with the iTunes Store so why can't they get this other part right. The main differentiator is Apple is having to work backwards to support local data and cloud data that is not synced, synced across devices via the cloud but not in the cloud, and synced in the cloud all at once which adds significant complexity compared to Google who simply has everything in their purview in the cloud.
It's a shame we have so many insane members now, who fly off the handle if people say something the least bit negative. They'll stop at nothing, sacrifice every sacred cow, all in their pursuit of APPLE DOES NO WRONG, HOW DARE YOU CLAIM THEY DO.
So, who are you referring to? I'm assuming myself? Because I brought forth evidence that an article that someone was using to backup up his "opinion" was a pack of lies and is discredited? Is that your definition of insanity, caring about details called "facts"? But of course, you give the real insane members, the ones who post and spread debunked lies to support their negative opinions a pass right- because you happen to share their ideologies? You're cool with people bashing Beats by linking to tear-downs of knockoff products, because you hate Beats yourself, right? Gotcha.
But please, have some guts and be specific in terms of the statements I made in this thread that you believe qualify as "insane". I'd love to know, beyond your horse-shit " APPLE DOES NO WRONG, HOW DARE YOU CLAIM THEY DO." strawman. I doubt you can find a SINGLE example of someone seriously stating as such on this forum.
There's nothing wrong in being negative per se, if you're fact-based. Unless almost all your posts here are negative about Apple (e.g., Gatorguy).
The Beats Wireless Studio headphones is one of the best I've owned. (And my home is a wasteland of headphones
Then, based on this, I shall stand corrected and admit to error.
Congratulations, you've done something as insanely rare as a mystical unicorn, which is admit to error on the internet in light of additional information. You have my respect.
It is a genius idea.
Most parents can't justify buying $200 headphones for their kids.
But they can justify paying $1000+ for a laptop and then getting the headphones for 'free'
The genius is the part where Apple gets that many more people going around wearing beats headphones creating that much more brand awareness and making them the "must have" product for trend followers.
The bad part... isn't whether they are good or bad. I don't know/don't care. (I wouldn't pay $200 for them, personally.) If you have no need or no interest in owning this kind of headphones, the offer is of little value to you. Even if they are truly worth $200, they are worth nothing to me unless I go through the hassle of reselling them. I'd rather just have a $50 gift card and choose what I use it for than get something I don't want.
This is surely as much of a marketing campaign for the beats brand as it is a back-to-school promotion for Apple.
I own these. Great sound, flatter response than I was expecting at this price point. Folks shopping for Beats-style headsets might fault their visual aesthetics, but I could care less. I love 'em.
Sony MDR7506 owns Beat Solo on every category except color: lower frequency, better magnet (neodymium), coiled and longer cord, replaceable ear pad...mine was used with my drum machine for 20 years and still works great. I had to replace ear pads only once ($9)
???????? that is so f-king true!
The bad part... isn't whether they are good or bad. I don't know/don't care. (I wouldn't pay $200 for them, personally.) If you have no need or no interest in owning this kind of headphones, the offer is of little value to you. Even if they are truly worth $200, they are worth nothing to me unless I go through the hassle of reselling them. I'd rather just have a $50 gift card and choose what I use it for than get something I don't want.
This is surely as much of a marketing campaign for the beats brand as it is a back-to-school promotion for Apple.
This about sums it up for me. Granted I think there's no contest between the quality of other headphones in the same price range over Beats, but Beats is a brand statement to a particular demographic and generation, successfully crafted by master marketers at Beats before Apple acquired them. I suspect there is a reason, more than Brand identity, that Apple hasn't absorbed the line and started placing Apples on their products. Indeed, I'm a little embarrassed that Apple is giving away these headphones with their products, as I don't consider them of equal quality. In some respects the Beats headphones sully the reputation of Apple.
Whether the headphones can be sold or not, I agree, it's a bit of hassle, that I'd rather not go through. I would opt for the gift card as well, and buy a pair of headphones I'd prefer. But this is a marketing move on Apple's part to build the Beats brand so that one day they can fold it all into Apple. And it's genius move to get all the kids wearing them (most kids won't know the difference or care about the sound quality anyway). But that's the rub for me. I remember when Apple gave away an iPod Touch during a back-to-school promotion, and of course that's a quality product equatable with the rest of the Apple branded products. Substituting that for Beats Headphones is a bit of a step in the wrong direction. Then again, there's a lot of marketing value here, and the kids won't even remember this a year form now.