Firstly: abuse of women is not acceptable whatsoever.
However Dr.Dre has been famous for a long time. I'm highly skeptical when these sorts of things are drummed up, especially some 25 years after the incidents in question. I could give it credit if he wasn't worldwide famous before the recent releases of his film and album, but this isn't the case.
At the same time we don't see much being said about Chris Brown, whose violence is both recent and seemingly ignored during his launches.
He is not part of Apple. I am sure that if he was, he would be all over the news.
Can people truly change? Should we forgive them? Should we feel the same way about Jared Fogle in 20 years? This is business and I certainly don't check the background of everyone I buy from to make sure they are less moral than I would like, so where does one draw the line?
Absolutely people can change, and I'm sure he has.
But he is monetizing, in 2015, a time he's saying he was not very proud of, and this is why some of the women who were abused back then are speaking up. If there was no movie, there is no news.
And depending upon the severity of the behavior, even a changed person (Fogle) will get no sympathy 20 years from now.
Actually, once jailed, Fogle is about to find out what a real Foot Long is all about...
How can you claim to desire an enlightened society yet joke casually about male rape?
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I see more abuse towards males than females. A LOT MORE.
Srsly?
I mean sure, men can be victims of domestic abuse too, but more? A lot more? I don't think that's even remotely approaching true, either in quantity or severity.
Why would this be so hard to believe? The wife holding the rolling pin is a damn caricature for goodness sake.
Plus honestly we just don't see it the same. Imagine if the roles in this commercial were reversed.
Imagine a commercial where a man and all his friends still the girlfriend's car and throw it off a cliff due to jealousy. It would be considered a blanket endorsement of violence against women.
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Jared will serve his time. He will always be a sex offender.
As for other convicts, I think we have to give them second chances once their time is served.
That doesn't read well. Sure, he's always sex offender because that designation follows you for life, just as once you're a convicted felon you are a felon who can never vote, etc. Does that mean Fogle will always be a pervert that isn't safe to be around children, will look to hire underage prostitutes and look at child porn if he can get away with it, and deceivers to have his gonads removed? I think so, but I think that particular crime is part of his brain's make up, not an issue of circumstance like certain felonies, being caught with an ounce of weed in 1990. Kind of amazing that small drug offenses can land you in jail longer than rape crimes in this country due to the war on drugs.
If he was just "born this way" then why is it right to punish him for it?
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Jared will serve his time. He will always be a sex offender.
As for other convicts, I think we have to give them second chances once their time is served.
Exactly. I'm not a fan of Dr. Dre at all. However, he fessed up, accepted full responsibility, paid for his crimes, and moved-on. As far as society should be concerned, he should be allowed to make something of himself. Do people honestly expect people that get in trouble with the law to never be allowed to be productive citizens for life?
That being said, what Dr. Dre did is pretty despicable. Beating women just brands him coward. Period. What Jared did was different. Robbing the innocence of a child (apparently several times) is inexcusable. Child molesters will forever have a special place in Hell. Besides, all those years he worked to build up his brand, and his family have been flushed down the toilet. He will have nothing when he gets out. That will be his permanent prison. He may end up having to make sandwiches at Subway to make ends meet.
While I think it certainly wrong I think we can't as a country declare that we have too many people locked up and too many people jailed from small offenses like low level drugs and not look at all the other small areas that we criminalize as well. Age of consent is a social construct. The laws around age and sex are so confusing and scattered as to make absolutely no clear conclusions possible and they have no basis in rationality. In California a 12 year old can sign herself out of school to go get drug and reproductive health services but if he or she has sex with another teen, it is technically always a crime because the age of consent in California is 18. We can't declare that kids are going to just do it and also declare that every kid who does do it with another kid is a criminal. Technically any time an 18 high school senior has sex with a 16 year old, no matter the sex roles, it can be a felony. All that should be re-examined.
Also physical violence is a rather common thing out in the real world away from all the elitist enclaves. We need to stop criminalizing the mess that humanity is and just try to help people get along better.
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Srsly?
I mean sure, men can be victims of domestic abuse too, but more? A lot more? I don't think that's even remotely approaching true, either in quantity or severity.
Just last week a co worker of mine had his ex girlfriend punch him twice and spit on him over an argument. I believe the younger female generation (these are early 20s I am writing about) feel more empowered that they can abuse men and get away with it. But when a man so much as touches a woman incorrectly it is abuse and gets all the headlines. I've seen plenty of women slap and hit men on the bus I've taken to work. Just because you personally don't see it doesn't mean it is not happening, a lot.
I've seen much worse than that and also the sexual side of things is crazy as well.
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I’m positive Tim Cook and the Apple executive team considered this before making the Beats deal and taking on Dr. Dre. These people aren’t stupid and they obviously knew this would surface sooner or later. People like to talk about forgiveness and second chances but the truth is, especially with wealthy celebrities, this almost never happens. They are hounded about their past lives relentlessly, even more so if there’s the prospect of monetary payouts involved. Most ‘victims’ are like that. Revenge instead of forgiveness is the norm these days.
So we’ll see how this apology goes over with the public and if this creates a PR problem for Apple. We’ll know in few days or so.
Why shouldn't an abuser be hounded relentlessly? Paying a fine and attending a class is an easy out for a dangerous person.
Seriously? Mob mentality to achieve a more enlightened society. That's some sound reasoning.
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So we’ll see how this apology goes over with the public and if this creates a PR problem for Apple. We’ll know in few days or so.
Was this timing purposely done the day after Jared Fogle admitted to raping underage prostitutes?
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Yes, it's about growing wiser. We all make mistakes that we later regret. Do you want someone to hold one of your mistakes against you for the rest of your life, despite your best efforts to live a respectable, healthy life?
So if there is forgiveness for the past where and what are those demarcation points. For example, do the people that say Dre should be forgiven and we should never speak of it again also feel the same way about Cosby, Fogle, or Josh Duggar? Should we make true forgiveness a blanket that allows for no special accountability to judge the core moral fiber of their being? If we do draw lines who draws the lines? How can we be sure they are accurate? As for 'where', I mean where in he past do we draw the line to say it's no longer considers the present? When did Fogle last rape a child? When did Cosby last drug and rape a woman? Should society forgive everything after a certain time? If so, what is the timeframe?
Good questions. We could consider applying the 8th amendment in a more strident manner. People should have their entire lives ruined short of something like murder.
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It is totally pathetic and disgusting how some posters here even admit to feeling sorry for dr dre.
Dr Dre the serial woman abuser, who has multiple female victims among his accomplishments in the past was not on the receiving end of the violence. He was the perpetrator, not the victim, and it's a total joke for anybody to feel sorry for him. He's laughing all the way to the bank.
And no, I do not believe that people can truly change. A person who is capable of beating women in the past is still capable of such behavior. Beating women is something that would never even enter into the thought process of normal, non violent males, let alone being a serial perpetrator of such violence. A rapist will always be a rapist, a child molester will always be a child molester and an abuser of women will always be an abuser of women. Their behavior is embedded in their system imo.
So there is no free will. There is no conscious thought or choice. If that is true then we are just like animals and why criminalize what is basically instinct?
If he was just "born this way" then why is it right to punish him for it?
That all depends on the reason for the punishment. If it is innate to their being the punishment won't change anything in them, but it could give others pause before pursuing the same action (which we know from the drug war doesn't work well) and it can give other a feeling of justice for getting to do something after feeling like they were helpless to let this occur in the first place. Personally, if I were to try to separate all emotion from the equation I would simply have these people removed permanently from society in an inexpensive but through way. That means no prison and no attempt at rehabilitation, just death. But would Fogle had admitted to anything if his confession would have led to that? Of course not, nor would the victims be compensated, so my methods are clearly shortsighted.
So there is no free will.
I question that all the time.
If that is true then we are just like animals and why criminalize what is basically instinct?
We are animals, too. If we indeed don't have free will that does not mean that each human is good for the community regarding of their natural mental state and desires
He probably had that moment that so many men do around age 30-35. He looked in the mirror and thought "What the hell have I been doing all these years?" When you have that moment, you usually change some things.
Straight Outta Compton is one of the best biopics I've ever seen. Private Parts would still be my favorite, which launched Paul Giamani career, and whom is in Compton, too.
I thought the actor that played Ice Cube did an outstanding job, but all the acting was good.
edit: LOL I just looked up the actors on IMDb and saw that the actor who played Ice Cube is Ice Cube's son.
He probably had that moment that so many men do around age 30-35. He looked in the mirror and thought "What the hell have I been doing all these years?" When you have that moment, you usually change some things.
At some point in his life, Steve accepted Lisa as his daughter. Of course real change is possible.
Straight Outta Compton is one of the best biopics I've ever seen. Private Parts would still be my favorite, which launched Paul Giamani career, and whom is in Compton, too.
I thought the actor that played Ice Cube did an outstanding job, but all the acting was good.
edit: LOL I just looked up the actors on IMDb and saw that the actor who played Ice Cube is Ice Cube's son.
Dre is by no means Curtis Mayfield. Dre is a thug, and rap culture is about out-thugging your competitors, we 've seen it all: drive by shootings, beatings, murder, pimping... you name it. For crying out loud it's in most of the lyrics as a badge of pride. I can't see how people can be defending him. His announcement just doesn't cut it.
Dre is by no means Curtis Mayfield. Dre is a thug, and rap culture is about out-thugging your competitors, we 've seen it all: drive by shootings, beatings, murder, pimping... you name it. For crying out loud it's in most of the lyrics as a badge of pride. I can't see how people can be defending him. His announcement just doesn't cut it.
If Dre is just a "thug" then how did he start Beats? Did he hold Jimmy Iovine upside down off a balcony window unitl he decided to found Beats along with him or is Jimmy Iovine a "thug", too? How could a "thug" whose only concerns are "drive by shootings, beatings, murder, pimping" able to create, not only a successful headphone business, but what deemed the most popular and profitable headphone business, not to mention Apple working with Dre and Iovine and eventually buying Beats. Does that make Steve Jobs* and Tim Cook "thugs", too, or do you reserve such classifications to those who not of a certain ethicity?
* Unless you've forgotten, Steve Jobs had Dr. Dre on an iChat video during an event back in 2003. To show you how long ago Apple was in cahoots with this "thug", that was the same event iTunes for Windows was introduced to the world and only a handful of months since the iTunes Music Store had launched, which is historic because it's when the iPod was then usable on Windows which is considered the turning point for Apple's meteoric rise in relevant, mindshare, revenue and profits… which still continue to this day.
If Dre is just a "thug" then how did he start Beats? Did he hold Jimmy Iovine upside down off a balcony window unitl he decided to found Beats along with him or is Jimmy Iovine a "thug", too? How could a "thug" whose only concerns are "drive by shootings, beatings, murder, pimping" able to create, not only a successful headphone business, but what deemed the most popular and profitable headphone business, not to mention Apple working with Dre and Iovine and eventually buying Beats. Does that make Steve Jobs* and Tim Cook "thugs", too, or do you reserve such classifications to those who not of a certain ethicity?
* Unless you've forgotten, Steve Jobs had Dr. Dre on an iChat video during an event back in 2003. To show you how long ago Apple was in cahoots with this "thug", that was the same event iTunes for Windows was introduced to the world and only a handful of months since the iTunes Music Store had launched, which is historic because it's when the iPod was then usable on Windows which is considered the turning point for Apple's meteoric rise in relevant, mindshare, revenue and profits… which still continue to this day.
Steve erred.
Who said anything about ethnicity. Don't twist my words and put words in my mouth I never mentioned. I said Dre is no Cutis Mayfield, both african americans, but one was/is a thug and one as close as you can come to saintly. And yes, to reply to the rest of your incomprehensible rant a thug can use his rapper fame and his name to create a successful headphone business. I 've said this before Tim's move of incorporating Iovine and Dre was masterful and a huge asset for apple. But he did bring a thug onboard. Ain't no way around that, so watch that kool aid, it's easy to od on that stuff.
I said his reply doesn't cut it. I was young I drunk I beat the shit out of women, but that's no excuse. Then why the **** mention it if it's no excuse? Guess what we 've all been young, and most of us have been drunk. I was young, god knows how many times I was drunk too, yet I never laid a finger on a woman or girl. But then again I wasn't cut out to be a mysoginist thug, nor were my so called lyrics mysoginist crap. This might interest you too (first, put down the kool aid kid): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny_in_hip_hop_culture
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Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks / Lick on these nuts and suck the dick / Get's the **** out after you're done / And I hops in my ride to make a quick run.
So Steve merely erred, but Dre is a "drive by shootings, beatings, murder, pimping" thug. Can you not see how your comments aren't exactly objective or fair?
Who said anything about ethnicity. Don't twist my words and put words in my mouth I never mentioned. I said Dre is no Cutis Mayfield, both african americans, but one was/is a thug and one as close as you can come to saintly.
I didn't put any words in your mouth. You called him a thug and I've never heard that term used to refer to Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, or any other executive on this forum who has a shady past. I neither stated nor implied anything about all people of a certain ethnicity would be defined as thug by you, but I very clearly asked if you reserve such designations for a particular ethnicity seeing as how haven't referred to Steve Jobs as a thug, whom one could easily argue has a sorted past that could easily quality by that standard if his skin color was darker.
And yes, to reply to the rest of your incomprehensible rant a thug can use his rapper fame and his name to create a successful headphone business. I 've said this before Tim's move of incorporating Iovine and Dre was masterful and a huge asset for apple. But he did bring a thug onboard. Ain't no way around that, so watch that kool aid, it's easy to od on that stuff.
Your definition of a thug doesn't seem to allow for one to have a legal, multi-billion enterprise that is bought out by the most valuable publicly traded company on the planet with their founded coming aboard.
I was young I drunk I beat the shit out of women, but that's no excuse.
Are you sure that's what you go with that?
What artistry, enviable sensitivity and sensibility. The guru of guru's of pr cannot defend this... this.. pathetic garbage.
Are you trying to wax poetic? (Another non-rhetorical question) That sounds like you're rapping.
I care about your health, seems like our discussion is driving you to a dreadful binge, last thing I 'd want is a kool aid poisoning case on my hands. Speaking of cases, brother you ain't got none. (rap along to that for starters)
So let's be merry and jolly and continue rap along to some wise words (hopefully top execs at Apple are currently urging their kids to listen and rap along too to Dre's infinite wisdom) Here we go:
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I care about your health, seems like our discussion is driving you to a dreadful binge, last thing I 'd want is a kool aid poisoning case on my hands. Speaking of cases, brother you ain't got none. (rap along to that for starters)
1) And you think trying to personally attack me is going to help your argument?
2) Why are you still avoiding my questions if, as you say, I have no case about Steve Jobs having a sorted youth?
I was young, I drunk, I beat the shit out of bitches, and that's my excuse. But that's no excuse.
That's your cross to bear. Are you better now? Have you changed? If you haven't then why are you throwing stones? If you have, then why can't you believe anyone else has changed? Do you think Jobs changed? Do you by Apple products knowing about Jobs history?
Really? Changed man? How gullible are we, just look at the name he chose for his channel "The Pharmacy." still associating himself with the drug and thug culture that has no problem with degrading and abusing women!
....all because some commenter on here was critisizing and judging him.
I see more abuse towards males than females. A LOT MORE.
I can garauntee if he was a female celebrity no one would have remembered or cared. She wouldn't have had to explain hersefl 25 YEARS later. They might have even made fun of the man she hit calling him a "p***y" or "clown".
Subliminally proves my point here.
So than it automatically makes it okay than, wow and no men aren't abused by women more, there is a huge difference between a verbal lashing and a fist.
It’s not “a lot more” by any stretch, but it’s certainly equal.
Your thinking of just the U.S. when you say equal, the attitudes towards women change dramatically when you start to throw in the Muslim world, Afrika, Eastern Europe, China, Indonesia, Asian countries in the South East of China and even Russia into the equation. The abuse towards women in these parts of the world dwarfs that of the abuse towards men from woman. It's easy to forget about these other countries but the fact is the U.S. makes up a very small portion of the world's population. Even in Europe the ratio is extremely unbalanced.
The fact of the matter is this, anyone defending this monster, apologies and all, definitely has a negative outlook towards women. Just because he has had dealings with Apple does not automatically resolve him of his sins. Once a woman beater, always a woman beater, like Mr. Pudding Pops, how many woman will it take coming foward before people start getting the hint. This person needs to be astrozied, anyone buying his records, seeing his films or supporting anything that he does in the future is as far as I'm concerned promoting abuse towards others. People are becoming to complacent towards these kinds of acts. Let it be voting in a president who had an alcohol and Cocain problem to buying shoes or other goods from companies who utilize child labour, it's just not okay, no matter how much they apologize or change. I'm not saying they shouldn't be forgiven but as far as continuing to buy, support or even listen to what these companies or people have to say is inherently damaging to not only our core values but as a society in a whole. Though nowadays it seems that those with the biggest pockets dictates what those core values should be. Also please stop calling him a thug, he has people who picks out his clothes every morning, he is as much of a thug now as I'm a model.
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^ Exactamundo.
Thanks for proving his point so succinctly. How pathetic.
He is not part of Apple. I am sure that if he was, he would be all over the news.
Can people truly change? Should we forgive them? Should we feel the same way about Jared Fogle in 20 years? This is business and I certainly don't check the background of everyone I buy from to make sure they are less moral than I would like, so where does one draw the line?
Absolutely people can change, and I'm sure he has.
But he is monetizing, in 2015, a time he's saying he was not very proud of, and this is why some of the women who were abused back then are speaking up. If there was no movie, there is no news.
And depending upon the severity of the behavior, even a changed person (Fogle) will get no sympathy 20 years from now.
Actually, once jailed, Fogle is about to find out what a real Foot Long is all about...
How can you claim to desire an enlightened society yet joke casually about male rape?
I see more abuse towards males than females. A LOT MORE.
Srsly?
I mean sure, men can be victims of domestic abuse too, but more? A lot more? I don't think that's even remotely approaching true, either in quantity or severity.
Why would this be so hard to believe? The wife holding the rolling pin is a damn caricature for goodness sake.
Plus honestly we just don't see it the same. Imagine if the roles in this commercial were reversed.
Imagine a commercial where a man and all his friends still the girlfriend's car and throw it off a cliff due to jealousy. It would be considered a blanket endorsement of violence against women.
Jared will serve his time. He will always be a sex offender.
As for other convicts, I think we have to give them second chances once their time is served.
That doesn't read well. Sure, he's always sex offender because that designation follows you for life, just as once you're a convicted felon you are a felon who can never vote, etc. Does that mean Fogle will always be a pervert that isn't safe to be around children, will look to hire underage prostitutes and look at child porn if he can get away with it, and deceivers to have his gonads removed? I think so, but I think that particular crime is part of his brain's make up, not an issue of circumstance like certain felonies, being caught with an ounce of weed in 1990. Kind of amazing that small drug offenses can land you in jail longer than rape crimes in this country due to the war on drugs.
If he was just "born this way" then why is it right to punish him for it?
Jared will serve his time. He will always be a sex offender.
As for other convicts, I think we have to give them second chances once their time is served.
Exactly. I'm not a fan of Dr. Dre at all. However, he fessed up, accepted full responsibility, paid for his crimes, and moved-on. As far as society should be concerned, he should be allowed to make something of himself. Do people honestly expect people that get in trouble with the law to never be allowed to be productive citizens for life?
That being said, what Dr. Dre did is pretty despicable. Beating women just brands him coward. Period. What Jared did was different. Robbing the innocence of a child (apparently several times) is inexcusable. Child molesters will forever have a special place in Hell. Besides, all those years he worked to build up his brand, and his family have been flushed down the toilet. He will have nothing when he gets out. That will be his permanent prison. He may end up having to make sandwiches at Subway to make ends meet.
While I think it certainly wrong I think we can't as a country declare that we have too many people locked up and too many people jailed from small offenses like low level drugs and not look at all the other small areas that we criminalize as well. Age of consent is a social construct. The laws around age and sex are so confusing and scattered as to make absolutely no clear conclusions possible and they have no basis in rationality. In California a 12 year old can sign herself out of school to go get drug and reproductive health services but if he or she has sex with another teen, it is technically always a crime because the age of consent in California is 18. We can't declare that kids are going to just do it and also declare that every kid who does do it with another kid is a criminal. Technically any time an 18 high school senior has sex with a 16 year old, no matter the sex roles, it can be a felony. All that should be re-examined.
Also physical violence is a rather common thing out in the real world away from all the elitist enclaves. We need to stop criminalizing the mess that humanity is and just try to help people get along better.
Srsly?
I mean sure, men can be victims of domestic abuse too, but more? A lot more? I don't think that's even remotely approaching true, either in quantity or severity.
Just last week a co worker of mine had his ex girlfriend punch him twice and spit on him over an argument. I believe the younger female generation (these are early 20s I am writing about) feel more empowered that they can abuse men and get away with it. But when a man so much as touches a woman incorrectly it is abuse and gets all the headlines. I've seen plenty of women slap and hit men on the bus I've taken to work. Just because you personally don't see it doesn't mean it is not happening, a lot.
I've seen much worse than that and also the sexual side of things is crazy as well.
I’m positive Tim Cook and the Apple executive team considered this before making the Beats deal and taking on Dr. Dre. These people aren’t stupid and they obviously knew this would surface sooner or later. People like to talk about forgiveness and second chances but the truth is, especially with wealthy celebrities, this almost never happens. They are hounded about their past lives relentlessly, even more so if there’s the prospect of monetary payouts involved. Most ‘victims’ are like that. Revenge instead of forgiveness is the norm these days.
So we’ll see how this apology goes over with the public and if this creates a PR problem for Apple. We’ll know in few days or so.
Why shouldn't an abuser be hounded relentlessly? Paying a fine and attending a class is an easy out for a dangerous person.
Seriously? Mob mentality to achieve a more enlightened society. That's some sound reasoning.
So we’ll see how this apology goes over with the public and if this creates a PR problem for Apple. We’ll know in few days or so.
Was this timing purposely done the day after Jared Fogle admitted to raping underage prostitutes?
Yes, it's about growing wiser. We all make mistakes that we later regret. Do you want someone to hold one of your mistakes against you for the rest of your life, despite your best efforts to live a respectable, healthy life?
So if there is forgiveness for the past where and what are those demarcation points. For example, do the people that say Dre should be forgiven and we should never speak of it again also feel the same way about Cosby, Fogle, or Josh Duggar? Should we make true forgiveness a blanket that allows for no special accountability to judge the core moral fiber of their being? If we do draw lines who draws the lines? How can we be sure they are accurate? As for 'where', I mean where in he past do we draw the line to say it's no longer considers the present? When did Fogle last rape a child? When did Cosby last drug and rape a woman? Should society forgive everything after a certain time? If so, what is the timeframe?
Good questions. We could consider applying the 8th amendment in a more strident manner. People should have their entire lives ruined short of something like murder.
It is totally pathetic and disgusting how some posters here even admit to feeling sorry for dr dre.
Dr Dre the serial woman abuser, who has multiple female victims among his accomplishments in the past was not on the receiving end of the violence. He was the perpetrator, not the victim, and it's a total joke for anybody to feel sorry for him. He's laughing all the way to the bank.
And no, I do not believe that people can truly change. A person who is capable of beating women in the past is still capable of such behavior. Beating women is something that would never even enter into the thought process of normal, non violent males, let alone being a serial perpetrator of such violence. A rapist will always be a rapist, a child molester will always be a child molester and an abuser of women will always be an abuser of women. Their behavior is embedded in their system imo.
So there is no free will. There is no conscious thought or choice. If that is true then we are just like animals and why criminalize what is basically instinct?
That all depends on the reason for the punishment. If it is innate to their being the punishment won't change anything in them, but it could give others pause before pursuing the same action (which we know from the drug war doesn't work well) and it can give other a feeling of justice for getting to do something after feeling like they were helpless to let this occur in the first place. Personally, if I were to try to separate all emotion from the equation I would simply have these people removed permanently from society in an inexpensive but through way. That means no prison and no attempt at rehabilitation, just death. But would Fogle had admitted to anything if his confession would have led to that? Of course not, nor would the victims be compensated, so my methods are clearly shortsighted.
I question that all the time.
We are animals, too. If we indeed don't have free will that does not mean that each human is good for the community regarding of their natural mental state and desires
He probably had that moment that so many men do around age 30-35. He looked in the mirror and thought "What the hell have I been doing all these years?" When you have that moment, you usually change some things.
He's a chip off the old Cube.
He probably had that moment that so many men do around age 30-35. He looked in the mirror and thought "What the hell have I been doing all these years?" When you have that moment, you usually change some things.
At some point in his life, Steve accepted Lisa as his daughter. Of course real change is possible.
Straight Outta Compton is one of the best biopics I've ever seen. Private Parts would still be my favorite, which launched Paul Giamani career, and whom is in Compton, too.
I thought the actor that played Ice Cube did an outstanding job, but all the acting was good.
edit: LOL I just looked up the actors on IMDb and saw that the actor who played Ice Cube is Ice Cube's son.
So that would make him Ice4 ???
Dre is by no means Curtis Mayfield. Dre is a thug, and rap culture is about out-thugging your competitors, we 've seen it all: drive by shootings, beatings, murder, pimping... you name it. For crying out loud it's in most of the lyrics as a badge of pride. I can't see how people can be defending him. His announcement just doesn't cut it.
If Dre is just a "thug" then how did he start Beats? Did he hold Jimmy Iovine upside down off a balcony window unitl he decided to found Beats along with him or is Jimmy Iovine a "thug", too? How could a "thug" whose only concerns are "drive by shootings, beatings, murder, pimping" able to create, not only a successful headphone business, but what deemed the most popular and profitable headphone business, not to mention Apple working with Dre and Iovine and eventually buying Beats. Does that make Steve Jobs* and Tim Cook "thugs", too, or do you reserve such classifications to those who not of a certain ethicity?
* Unless you've forgotten, Steve Jobs had Dr. Dre on an iChat video during an event back in 2003. To show you how long ago Apple was in cahoots with this "thug", that was the same event iTunes for Windows was introduced to the world and only a handful of months since the iTunes Music Store had launched, which is historic because it's when the iPod was then usable on Windows which is considered the turning point for Apple's meteoric rise in relevant, mindshare, revenue and profits… which still continue to this day.
If Dre is just a "thug" then how did he start Beats? Did he hold Jimmy Iovine upside down off a balcony window unitl he decided to found Beats along with him or is Jimmy Iovine a "thug", too? How could a "thug" whose only concerns are "drive by shootings, beatings, murder, pimping" able to create, not only a successful headphone business, but what deemed the most popular and profitable headphone business, not to mention Apple working with Dre and Iovine and eventually buying Beats. Does that make Steve Jobs* and Tim Cook "thugs", too, or do you reserve such classifications to those who not of a certain ethicity?
* Unless you've forgotten, Steve Jobs had Dr. Dre on an iChat video during an event back in 2003. To show you how long ago Apple was in cahoots with this "thug", that was the same event iTunes for Windows was introduced to the world and only a handful of months since the iTunes Music Store had launched, which is historic because it's when the iPod was then usable on Windows which is considered the turning point for Apple's meteoric rise in relevant, mindshare, revenue and profits… which still continue to this day.
Steve erred.
Who said anything about ethnicity. Don't twist my words and put words in my mouth I never mentioned. I said Dre is no Cutis Mayfield, both african americans, but one was/is a thug and one as close as you can come to saintly. And yes, to reply to the rest of your incomprehensible rant a thug can use his rapper fame and his name to create a successful headphone business. I 've said this before Tim's move of incorporating Iovine and Dre was masterful and a huge asset for apple. But he did bring a thug onboard. Ain't no way around that, so watch that kool aid, it's easy to od on that stuff.
I said his reply doesn't cut it. I was young I drunk I beat the shit out of women, but that's no excuse. Then why the **** mention it if it's no excuse? Guess what we 've all been young, and most of us have been drunk. I was young, god knows how many times I was drunk too, yet I never laid a finger on a woman or girl. But then again I wasn't cut out to be a mysoginist thug, nor were my so called lyrics mysoginist crap. This might interest you too (first, put down the kool aid kid): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny_in_hip_hop_culture
Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks / Lick on these nuts and suck the dick / Get's the **** out after you're done / And I hops in my ride to make a quick run.
What artistry, enviable sensitivity and sensibility. The guru of guru's of pr cannot defend this... this.. pathetic garbage.
So Steve merely erred, but Dre is a "drive by shootings, beatings, murder, pimping" thug. Can you not see how your comments aren't exactly objective or fair?
I didn't put any words in your mouth. You called him a thug and I've never heard that term used to refer to Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, or any other executive on this forum who has a shady past. I neither stated nor implied anything about all people of a certain ethnicity would be defined as thug by you, but I very clearly asked if you reserve such designations for a particular ethnicity seeing as how haven't referred to Steve Jobs as a thug, whom one could easily argue has a sorted past that could easily quality by that standard if his skin color was darker.
Your definition of a thug doesn't seem to allow for one to have a legal, multi-billion enterprise that is bought out by the most valuable publicly traded company on the planet with their founded coming aboard.
Are you sure that's what you go with that?
Are you trying to wax poetic? (Another non-rhetorical question) That sounds like you're rapping.
I care about your health, seems like our discussion is driving you to a dreadful binge, last thing I 'd want is a kool aid poisoning case on my hands. Speaking of cases, brother you ain't got none. (rap along to that for starters)
So let's be merry and jolly and continue rap along to some wise words (hopefully top execs at Apple are currently urging their kids to listen and rap along too to Dre's infinite wisdom) Here we go:
Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks / Lick on these nuts and suck the dick / Get's the **** out after you're done / And I hops in my ride to make a quick run.
I was young, I drunk, I beat the shit out of bitches, and that's my excuse. But that's no excuse.
Exe-effing-llent.
1) And you think trying to personally attack me is going to help your argument?
2) Why are you still avoiding my questions if, as you say, I have no case about Steve Jobs having a sorted youth?
That's your cross to bear. Are you better now? Have you changed? If you haven't then why are you throwing stones? If you have, then why can't you believe anyone else has changed? Do you think Jobs changed? Do you by Apple products knowing about Jobs history?
Really? Changed man? How gullible are we, just look at the name he chose for his channel "The Pharmacy." still associating himself with the drug and thug culture that has no problem with degrading and abusing women!
So than it automatically makes it okay than, wow and no men aren't abused by women more, there is a huge difference between a verbal lashing and a fist.
It’s not “a lot more” by any stretch, but it’s certainly equal.
Your thinking of just the U.S. when you say equal, the attitudes towards women change dramatically when you start to throw in the Muslim world, Afrika, Eastern Europe, China, Indonesia, Asian countries in the South East of China and even Russia into the equation. The abuse towards women in these parts of the world dwarfs that of the abuse towards men from woman. It's easy to forget about these other countries but the fact is the U.S. makes up a very small portion of the world's population. Even in Europe the ratio is extremely unbalanced.