Calm down dude. Just wondering what biopics you had in mind.
In this case I think it's a major slip, Dre's issues with women are well known and noted, and NWAs lyrics have been controversial for their treatment of women since their heyday.
So you're drawing a correlation between the lyrics and events so you honestly believe they center for a movie about NWA should revolve around Dr. Dre, no one else, and be about domestic issues that may or may not have happened during the time NWA was a thriving entity. I bet you also believe that hay marriage leads to beastiality that listening to Judas Priest will cause a teenager to kill themselves. :no:
So you're drawing a correlation between the lyrics and events so you honestly believe they center for a movie about NWA should revolve around Dr. Dre, no one else, and be about domestic issues that may or may not have happened during the time NWA was a thriving entity. I bet you also believe that hay marriage leads to beastiality that listening to Judas Priest will cause a teenager to kill themselves.
No, I don't think they needed to be centre stage, but an acknowledgement would be in order; it was important in the 80s, and it's important now. Ignoring major events that had obvious reflections in the music, for what is a music biopic, is an omission.
I don't believe anything else that you'd bet I believe.
Please, just tell me what biopics you're referencing that do not make mention of non-music-related personal artefacts. And calm the **** down.
No, I don't think they needed to be centre stage, but an acknowledgement would be in order; it was important in the 80s, and it's important now. Ignoring major events that had obvious reflections in the music, for what is a music biopic, is an omission.
I don't believe anything else that you'd bet I believe.
Please, just tell me what biopics you're referencing that do not make mention of non-music-related personal artefacts. And calm the **** down.
For the last fucking time I'm referencing all biopics that are sources from real life events. Not a single one of them has covered every fucking detail about a person's life, especially ones that are about entire bands. Now stop making a fucking excuses for your blatant racism.
In this case I think it's a major slip, Dre's issues with women are well known and noted, and NWAs lyrics have been controversial for their treatment of women since their heyday.
According to Dee Barnes, the most vocal of Dre's victims, there was a scene showing the beating but it was deleted. It supposedly also made her the physical instigator. Given the history of the groups misogynistic lyrics and Dre's violence towards women (including women that were part of the group's orbit), the scene should have remained. Especially since the breakup of the group is what precipitated the violence against Barnes. It was very incestuous. Barnes knew the members before they hit big. She interviewed rapper YoYo and Ice Cube gave an impromptu interview that dissed his former NWA members. The person doing the filming? F. Gary Gray who would go on to become one of HipHop's biggest video directors and eventually direct "Straight Outta Compton" nearly 25 years later.
No one is defending him. If he did it now, he would be fired. We're talking 20 years ago and he pleaded no contest. Unless you find a pattern or more recent occurrences, you have to give him a second chance.
For the last fucking time I'm referencing all biopics that are sources from real life events. Not a single one of them has covered every fucking detail about a person's life, especially ones that are about entire bands. Now stop making a fucking excuses for your blatant racism.
For the last time can you put a name of one single example down in writing so I know what you're talking about. It's a simple request. Calm down, stop swearing and give an example.
Of course every life event doesn't need to be captured, but this is an important one for both Dre and NWA. Crying racism is ridiculous in a discussion of the completeness of a biopic.
For the last time can you put a name of one single example down in writing so I know what you're talking about. It's a simple request. Calm down, stop swearing and give an example.
Of course every life event doesn't need to be captured, but this is an important one for both Dre and NWA. Crying racism is ridiculous in a discussion of the completeness of a biopic.
I'm going to keep swearing if you're going to continue to to read and continue to write stupid shit.
So you're drawing a correlation between the lyrics and events so you honestly believe they center for a movie about NWA should revolve around Dr. Dre, no one else, and be about domestic issues that may or may not have happened during the time NWA was a thriving entity. I bet you also believe that hay marriage leads to beastiality that listening to Judas Priest will cause a teenager to kill themselves.
No, I don't think they needed to be centre stage, but an acknowledgement would be in order; it was important in the 80s, and it's important now. Ignoring major events that had obvious reflections in the music, for what is a music biopic, is an omission.
I don't believe anything else that you'd bet I believe.
Please, just tell me what biopics you're referencing that do not make mention of non-music-related personal artefacts. And calm the **** down.
I'm going to disagree. Throwing something in there just because it happened won't make sense to the audience. The events have to make sense and most of them are glossed over and rely on inference by the audience to fill the holes due to limited time. This time is obviously more limited when discussing a group versus an individual. Most biopics might reduce an entire history of drug use to say, the first time someone took drugs and the time they hit rock bottom and got help. However if someone just casually used drugs it might not even be referenced because it does nothing to drive the story.
How would showing that Dr. Dre hit a woman make sense in the story about five people forming a group with a manager, having it start to come apart after one album and blow completely apart after two albums? The story is more about the rise of a genre of gangster rap music. I would completely see your point if it were a movie about the life of Dr. Dre. However even then I doubt you'd like how it would be put in because they don't make movies to show how someone is an unredeemed asshole who everyone hates. They'd put it on there to show his bad origins and show his growth from that point into a married family man (real or imagined, or whatever.) The people here chanting "Once violent, always violent" certainly wouldn't be satisfied by that portrayal either.
According to Dee Barnes, the most vocal of Dre's victims, there was a scene showing the beating but it was deleted. It supposedly also made her the physical instigator. Given the history of the groups misogynistic lyrics and Dre's violence towards women (including women that were part of the group's orbit), the scene should have remained. Especially since the breakup of the group is what precipitated the violence against Barnes. It was very incestuous. Barnes knew the members before they hit big. She interviewed rapper YoYo and Ice Cube gave an impromptu interview that dissed his former NWA members. The person doing the filming? F. Gary Gray who would go on to become one of HipHop's biggest video directors and eventually direct "Straight Outta Compton" nearly 25 years later.
No scene should be retained to satisfy the whim of people who hate black people thugs and/or rap music, especially since those people aren't likely to see the film. The film should retain only what makes the story work best. This is why anyone that reads books who then goes to see a film made from that book will not see every scene from that book. For me, this is usually my favorite parts… but that's life and film makers have a responsibility to the medium. If Crowley wants a film that focuses on Dr. Dre's temper then he needs to write a courtroom drama. Then, and only then, could NWA lyrics have any potential relevance.
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So you're drawing a correlation between the lyrics and events so you honestly believe they center for a movie about NWA should revolve around Dr. Dre, no one else, and be about domestic issues that may or may not have happened during the time NWA was a thriving entity. I bet you also believe that hay marriage leads to beastiality that listening to Judas Priest will cause a teenager to kill themselves. :no:
So you're drawing a correlation between the lyrics and events so you honestly believe they center for a movie about NWA should revolve around Dr. Dre, no one else, and be about domestic issues that may or may not have happened during the time NWA was a thriving entity. I bet you also believe that hay marriage leads to beastiality that listening to Judas Priest will cause a teenager to kill themselves.
No, I don't think they needed to be centre stage, but an acknowledgement would be in order; it was important in the 80s, and it's important now. Ignoring major events that had obvious reflections in the music, for what is a music biopic, is an omission.
I don't believe anything else that you'd bet I believe.
Please, just tell me what biopics you're referencing that do not make mention of non-music-related personal artefacts. And calm the **** down.
For the last fucking time I'm referencing all biopics that are sources from real life events. Not a single one of them has covered every fucking detail about a person's life, especially ones that are about entire bands. Now stop making a fucking excuses for your blatant racism.
In this case I think it's a major slip, Dre's issues with women are well known and noted, and NWAs lyrics have been controversial for their treatment of women since their heyday.
According to Dee Barnes, the most vocal of Dre's victims, there was a scene showing the beating but it was deleted. It supposedly also made her the physical instigator. Given the history of the groups misogynistic lyrics and Dre's violence towards women (including women that were part of the group's orbit), the scene should have remained. Especially since the breakup of the group is what precipitated the violence against Barnes. It was very incestuous. Barnes knew the members before they hit big. She interviewed rapper YoYo and Ice Cube gave an impromptu interview that dissed his former NWA members. The person doing the filming? F. Gary Gray who would go on to become one of HipHop's biggest video directors and eventually direct "Straight Outta Compton" nearly 25 years later.
No one is defending him. If he did it now, he would be fired. We're talking 20 years ago and he pleaded no contest. Unless you find a pattern or more recent occurrences, you have to give him a second chance.
Of course every life event doesn't need to be captured, but this is an important one for both Dre and NWA. Crying racism is ridiculous in a discussion of the completeness of a biopic.
I'm going to keep swearing if you're going to continue to to read and continue to write stupid shit.
So you're drawing a correlation between the lyrics and events so you honestly believe they center for a movie about NWA should revolve around Dr. Dre, no one else, and be about domestic issues that may or may not have happened during the time NWA was a thriving entity. I bet you also believe that hay marriage leads to beastiality that listening to Judas Priest will cause a teenager to kill themselves.
No, I don't think they needed to be centre stage, but an acknowledgement would be in order; it was important in the 80s, and it's important now. Ignoring major events that had obvious reflections in the music, for what is a music biopic, is an omission.
I don't believe anything else that you'd bet I believe.
Please, just tell me what biopics you're referencing that do not make mention of non-music-related personal artefacts. And calm the **** down.
I'm going to disagree. Throwing something in there just because it happened won't make sense to the audience. The events have to make sense and most of them are glossed over and rely on inference by the audience to fill the holes due to limited time. This time is obviously more limited when discussing a group versus an individual. Most biopics might reduce an entire history of drug use to say, the first time someone took drugs and the time they hit rock bottom and got help. However if someone just casually used drugs it might not even be referenced because it does nothing to drive the story.
How would showing that Dr. Dre hit a woman make sense in the story about five people forming a group with a manager, having it start to come apart after one album and blow completely apart after two albums? The story is more about the rise of a genre of gangster rap music. I would completely see your point if it were a movie about the life of Dr. Dre. However even then I doubt you'd like how it would be put in because they don't make movies to show how someone is an unredeemed asshole who everyone hates. They'd put it on there to show his bad origins and show his growth from that point into a married family man (real or imagined, or whatever.) The people here chanting "Once violent, always violent" certainly wouldn't be satisfied by that portrayal either.
No scene should be retained to satisfy the whim of people who hate
black peoplethugs and/or rap music, especially since those people aren't likely to see the film. The film should retain only what makes the story work best. This is why anyone that reads books who then goes to see a film made from that book will not see every scene from that book. For me, this is usually my favorite parts… but that's life and film makers have a responsibility to the medium. If Crowley wants a film that focuses on Dr. Dre's temper then he needs to write a courtroom drama. Then, and only then, could NWA lyrics have any potential relevance.Congratulations, I don't care enough about he point to continue, so your fat-headed racism whining has won.