iPhone camera does not have this problem is previous generations. My statement that Apple quality is getting worse is based on this simple fact.
First buddy boy, it is a SONY COMPONENT like the previous one in previous phones you love so much, Apple just god damn stuck it in their phone. It is highly probable that these components worked when Sony built them and even Apple assembled them and now they've failed.
This affects the OIS portion of the Sony module. The Iphone 6, which doesn't have this part (like previous generation Iphones) doesn't have the issue, only the Iphone 6+ has it.
So, what's your reply to that hmmm... What's your conclusion to that? What? Speak up bud! Want to hear your keen "insight"
Unless you know how many of the components actually have this issue, second clue, it's not all of them produced in that period, you'd can't even say anything about Sony's quality. It could be 0.1% which would still make 100K phones affected but wouldn't be indicative of bad quality at all.
Third, Apple says few phones have this. Are you calling Apple liars?
SN doesn't mean its defective, only that it is potentially defective; meaning some in that period were, not all of them. But, obviously they're not sure which ones so they offer to replace those that will fail.
People still have 2 years to do so. IF by that time it still runs, there is a good chance that it doesn't have the issue.
My iPhone qualifies, yet it's always taken great pictures. I wonder if I should take it in now, or just wait until it fails, since it's covered for 3 years anyway.
From my understanding, the batch is not "all bad", only some in that batch is; but, they're not sure which ones. That's why they basically cover the whole batch under a kind of extended warranty.
So, it is possible yours is not defective and would never fail at all.
A Dutch writer (Pauline Cornelisse) coined the term 'compulsory cliché'. This is a cliché that is waiting to be said. As long as it is not said it feels like an itch. Thank you Just_Me for relieving my itch...
First buddy boy, it is a SONY COMPONENT like the previous one in previous phones you love so much, Apple just god damn stuck it in their phone. It is highly probable that these components worked when Sony built them and even Apple assembled them and now they've failed.
Incorrect. Sony makes only the sensor chip. Things like the lenses and the OIS system come from a different supplier. Apple's supplier list has Largan Precision and Genius Electronic Optical, which is probably where they came from. There's several others which you've probably never heard of, such as LG Innotek, Samsung Electro-Mechanics. Sony used to make lens modules but hasn't for a few years.
As usual, it's likely that Apple does the "high value" design and IP, and the suppliers do the rest.
First buddy boy, it is a SONY COMPONENT like the previous one in previous phones you love so much, Apple just god damn stuck it in their phone. It is highly probable that these components worked when Sony built them and even Apple assembled them and now they've failed.
This affects the OIS portion of the Sony module. The Iphone 6, which doesn't have this part (like previous generation Iphones) doesn't have the issue, only the Iphone 6+ has it.
So, what's your reply to that hmmm... What's your conclusion to that? What? Speak up bud! Want to hear your keen "insight"
Unless you know how many of the components actually have this issue, second clue, it's not all of them produced in that period, you'd can't even say anything about Sony's quality. It could be 0.1% which would still make 100K phones affected but wouldn't be indicative of bad quality at all.
Third, Apple says few phones have this. Are you calling Apple liars?
Incorrect. Sony makes only the sensor chip. Things like the lenses and the OIS system come from a different supplier. Apple's supplier list has Largan Precision and Genius Electronic Optical, which is probably where they came from. There's several others which you've probably never heard of, such as LG Innotek, Samsung Electro-Mechanics. Sony used to make lens modules but hasn't for a few years.
[@]tzeshan[/@] is just following the Rules of the Troll™:
When paying complements, name the component makers (Samsung, LG, Intel, Sony). When criticizing or blaming, only name Apple.
First buddy boy, it is a SONY COMPONENT like the previous one in previous phones you love so much, Apple just god damn stuck it in their phone. It is highly probable that these components worked when Sony built them and even Apple assembled them and now they've failed.
This affects the OIS portion of the Sony module. The Iphone 6, which doesn't have this part (like previous generation Iphones) doesn't have the issue, only the Iphone 6+ has it.
So, what's your reply to that hmmm... What's your conclusion to that? What? Speak up bud! Want to hear your keen "insight"
Unless you know how many of the components actually have this issue, second clue, it's not all of them produced in that period, you'd can't even say anything about Sony's quality. It could be 0.1% which would still make 100K phones affected but wouldn't be indicative of bad quality at all.
Third, Apple says few phones have this. Are you calling Apple liars?
So, no, it is not "a fact" at all.
It is not a small 0.1% problem. Otherwise Apple would not announce a replacement program. It is a systemic failure because Apple has tracked a SN that could cause this problem. Something went wrong.
It is not a small 0.1% problem. Otherwise Apple would not announce a replacement program. It is a systemic failure because Apple has tracked a SN that could cause this problem. Something went wrong.
Why can't a company offer to a replace a problem that only affects 0.1% of iPhone users? Do you know how many phones that would affect? Do you know what the cost is for the replacement? If not 0.1% then what is this magic percentage that would force Apple's hand? Furthermore, why does this simple issue show that Apple's quality is now shit and the company is doomed, yet you ignore all their other replacement plans over the years? It sounds you have an irrational dislike for Tim Cook so you're inventing reasons why Apple now sucks.
Do you know how computer works? A logic board is very complicated. It is more complicated than a camera module.
Do you? The issue wasn't the entire logic board, but a component on the logic board which was mostly likely a 3rd-party component, just like the camera module. Are the batteries they recalled really more complicated than the camera module with the dozens of different electrically controlled parts, as well as its own logic, and the physical optical elements in a very small space?
Why can't a company offer to a replace a problem that only affects 0.1% of iPhone 6 series users? Do you know how many phones that would affect? Do you know what the cost is for the replacement? If not 0.1% then what is this magic percentage that would force Apple's hand? Furthermore, why does this simple issue show that Apple's quality is now shit and the company is doomed, yet you ignore all their other replacement plans over the years? It sounds you have an irrational dislike for Tim Cook so you're inventing reasons why Apple now sucks.
Do you? The issue wasn't the entire logic board, but a component on the logic board which was mostly likely a 3rd-party component, just like the camera module. Are the batteries they recalled really more complicated than the camera module with the dozens of different electrically controlled parts, as well as its own logic, and the physical optical elements in a very small space?
Apple said the affected units fall into a limited serial number range and were sold primarily between September 2014 and January 2015. iPhone 6S started selling in September 2014. Your iPhone 6S qualifies for replacement only it is sold during this period. It is likely Apple did not fully test iPhone 6S before it is on sale. Subsequently, the problem is noticed and the supplier made a fix. So it is systematic of Apple.
Apple said the affected units fall into a limited serial number range and were sold primarily between September 2014 and January 2015. iPhone 6S started selling in September 2014. Your iPhone 6S qualifies for replacement only it is sold during this period. It is likely Apple did not fully test iPhone 6S before it is on sale. Subsequently, the problem is noticed and the supplier made a fix. So it is systematic of Apple.
Is "limited serial range" not clear enough? You make it sound like every unit limited to that date range was affected. Out of about 10 iPhone 6 Pluses whose serial numbers I checked zero are covered under the warranty and no one has reported any issues with the camera, and all were bought very close to the launch date. So how is this worse than other replacement programs Apple offered?
iPhone camera does not have this problem is previous generations. My statement that Apple quality is getting worse is based on this simple fact.
The fault falls more on Apple's camera suppliers than on Apple. Units are tested at random to insure quality but some defects only come to view after real world use. Happens with every product of every company.
Do you know how computer works? A logic board is very complicated. It is more complicated than a camera module.
You still aren't making any sense.
You're assuming that it's logical for a complex component to somehow fail more often than a comparatively simpler component. And while this *might* be true, a manufacturing issue knows no bounds when it comes to complexity or simplicity.
There is no perfect Quality Control. And it doesn't make any difference whether a part is simple or complex.
It is not a small 0.1% problem. Otherwise Apple would not announce a replacement program. It is a systemic failure because Apple has tracked a SN that could cause this problem. Something went wrong.
If its 0.1%, which is 60K phones during that period btw, YES they offer a god damn replacement.
They've fracking done it before, and they'll do it again.
They said it was damn god damn rare. Got that buddy. So, you'Re basically calling Apple liars and you know different.
So, go, sue them, instigate a class action suit if you're so sure of you're damn shit.
Otherwise you're a troll.
I'm ignoring you because you make no god damn sense and don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Apple said the affected units fall into a limited serial number range and were sold primarily between September 2014 and January 2015. iPhone 6S started selling in September 2014. Your iPhone 6S qualifies for replacement only it is sold during this period. It is likely Apple did not fully test iPhone 6S before it is on sale. Subsequently, the problem is noticed and the supplier made a fix. So it is systematic of Apple.
Wow... just wow. Are you seriously trying to pass of your crudely imagined "logic" as some type of informed, lucid fact?
A great company is defined not only by the products it sells, but also the ability to back up their products. My iPhone 6+ camera started exhibiting those same issues and it will be repaired. That's a great company.
You on the other hand, just whine and complain about some imaginary fault that Apple has, and even after that... you still don't make sense.
A Dutch writer coined the term: compulsive cliché. You know it's a cliché but it has to be said. As long as it is not said, there is this itch in the back of your mind.
Thank you, Just_Me, for relieving me of this itch.
Wow... just wow. Are you seriously trying to pass of your crudely imagined "logic" as some type of informed, lucid fact?
A great company is defined not only by the products it sells, but also the ability to back up their products. My iPhone 6+ camera started exhibiting those same issues and it will be repaired. That's a great company.
You on the other hand, just whine and complain about some imaginary fault that Apple has, and even after that... you still don't make sense.
Go troll elsewhere will ya?
A great company no, just one that backs up it's products, most do that. Where I buy my gadgets from, when I have a problem with a device, they just replace it, no sending it in, no waiting. My mobile provider will give their users a loaner until their phone is fixed. When my husband was having problems with his BlackBerry, his fault as he dropped it, he sent it in, 4 days later it was back with a free charging port and a 25 CHF credit towards BlackBerry World. One of my workstations is covered by same day onsite support, etc. I don't considered these companies great, just being responsible.
So if they're replacing the camera and not the entire phone then how long are we doing to have to be without our phones? Can the repair be done quickly in an Apple store?
I guess we're just out of luck and responsible for finding a lpaner while the phone is shipped off to who knows where for repair.
This would come under the category of piss poor customer service. The profit margin is bound to be great on these devices. Isn't it worth it to keep good will with a loyal customer base to ensure more business in the future?
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iPhone camera does not have this problem is previous generations. My statement that Apple quality is getting worse is based on this simple fact.
First buddy boy, it is a SONY COMPONENT like the previous one in previous phones you love so much, Apple just god damn stuck it in their phone. It is highly probable that these components worked when Sony built them and even Apple assembled them and now they've failed.
This affects the OIS portion of the Sony module. The Iphone 6, which doesn't have this part (like previous generation Iphones) doesn't have the issue, only the Iphone 6+ has it.
So, what's your reply to that hmmm... What's your conclusion to that? What? Speak up bud! Want to hear your keen "insight"
Unless you know how many of the components actually have this issue, second clue, it's not all of them produced in that period, you'd can't even say anything about Sony's quality. It could be 0.1% which would still make 100K phones affected but wouldn't be indicative of bad quality at all.
Third, Apple says few phones have this. Are you calling Apple liars?
So, no, it is not "a fact" at all.
iPhone camera does not have this problem is previous generations. My statement that Apple quality is getting worse is based on this simple fact.
http://www.macworld.com/article/1035666/ibookrepair.html
Even under Steve, shit happens.
Like your trolling, for example.
"iPhone camera does not have this problem is previous generations."
?And? This doesn't make any sense. Problems during manufacture can happen at *any* time during the various generations of a product.
Duh.
SN doesn't mean its defective, only that it is potentially defective; meaning some in that period were, not all of them. But, obviously they're not sure which ones so they offer to replace those that will fail.
People still have 2 years to do so. IF by that time it still runs, there is a good chance that it doesn't have the issue.
My iPhone qualifies, yet it's always taken great pictures. I wonder if I should take it in now, or just wait until it fails, since it's covered for 3 years anyway.
From my understanding, the batch is not "all bad", only some in that batch is; but, they're not sure which ones. That's why they basically cover the whole batch under a kind of extended warranty.
So, it is possible yours is not defective and would never fail at all.
A Dutch writer (Pauline Cornelisse) coined the term 'compulsory cliché'. This is a cliché that is waiting to be said. As long as it is not said it feels like an itch. Thank you Just_Me for relieving my itch...
First buddy boy, it is a SONY COMPONENT like the previous one in previous phones you love so much, Apple just god damn stuck it in their phone. It is highly probable that these components worked when Sony built them and even Apple assembled them and now they've failed.
Incorrect. Sony makes only the sensor chip. Things like the lenses and the OIS system come from a different supplier. Apple's supplier list has Largan Precision and Genius Electronic Optical, which is probably where they came from. There's several others which you've probably never heard of, such as LG Innotek, Samsung Electro-Mechanics. Sony used to make lens modules but hasn't for a few years.
As usual, it's likely that Apple does the "high value" design and IP, and the suppliers do the rest.
[@]tzeshan[/@] is just following the Rules of the Troll™:
First buddy boy, it is a SONY COMPONENT like the previous one in previous phones you love so much, Apple just god damn stuck it in their phone. It is highly probable that these components worked when Sony built them and even Apple assembled them and now they've failed.
This affects the OIS portion of the Sony module. The Iphone 6, which doesn't have this part (like previous generation Iphones) doesn't have the issue, only the Iphone 6+ has it.
So, what's your reply to that hmmm... What's your conclusion to that? What? Speak up bud! Want to hear your keen "insight"
Unless you know how many of the components actually have this issue, second clue, it's not all of them produced in that period, you'd can't even say anything about Sony's quality. It could be 0.1% which would still make 100K phones affected but wouldn't be indicative of bad quality at all.
Third, Apple says few phones have this. Are you calling Apple liars?
So, no, it is not "a fact" at all.
It is not a small 0.1% problem. Otherwise Apple would not announce a replacement program. It is a systemic failure because Apple has tracked a SN that could cause this problem. Something went wrong.
http://www.macworld.com/article/1035666/ibookrepair.html
Even under Steve, shit happens.
Like your trolling, for example.
"iPhone camera does not have this problem is previous generations."
?And? This doesn't make any sense. Problems during manufacture can happen at *any* time during the various generations of a product.
Duh.
Do you know how computer works? A logic board is very complicated. It is more complicated than a camera module.
Why can't a company offer to a replace a problem that only affects 0.1% of iPhone users? Do you know how many phones that would affect? Do you know what the cost is for the replacement? If not 0.1% then what is this magic percentage that would force Apple's hand? Furthermore, why does this simple issue show that Apple's quality is now shit and the company is doomed, yet you ignore all their other replacement plans over the years? It sounds you have an irrational dislike for Tim Cook so you're inventing reasons why Apple now sucks.
Do you? The issue wasn't the entire logic board, but a component on the logic board which was mostly likely a 3rd-party component, just like the camera module. Are the batteries they recalled really more complicated than the camera module with the dozens of different electrically controlled parts, as well as its own logic, and the physical optical elements in a very small space?
Why can't a company offer to a replace a problem that only affects 0.1% of iPhone 6 series users? Do you know how many phones that would affect? Do you know what the cost is for the replacement? If not 0.1% then what is this magic percentage that would force Apple's hand? Furthermore, why does this simple issue show that Apple's quality is now shit and the company is doomed, yet you ignore all their other replacement plans over the years? It sounds you have an irrational dislike for Tim Cook so you're inventing reasons why Apple now sucks.
Do you? The issue wasn't the entire logic board, but a component on the logic board which was mostly likely a 3rd-party component, just like the camera module. Are the batteries they recalled really more complicated than the camera module with the dozens of different electrically controlled parts, as well as its own logic, and the physical optical elements in a very small space?
Apple said the affected units fall into a limited serial number range and were sold primarily between September 2014 and January 2015. iPhone 6S started selling in September 2014. Your iPhone 6S qualifies for replacement only it is sold during this period. It is likely Apple did not fully test iPhone 6S before it is on sale. Subsequently, the problem is noticed and the supplier made a fix. So it is systematic of Apple.
Is "limited serial range" not clear enough? You make it sound like every unit limited to that date range was affected. Out of about 10 iPhone 6 Pluses whose serial numbers I checked zero are covered under the warranty and no one has reported any issues with the camera, and all were bought very close to the launch date. So how is this worse than other replacement programs Apple offered?
PS: There isn't an iPhone 6S at this time.
The fault falls more on Apple's camera suppliers than on Apple. Units are tested at random to insure quality but some defects only come to view after real world use. Happens with every product of every company.
You still aren't making any sense.
You're assuming that it's logical for a complex component to somehow fail more often than a comparatively simpler component. And while this *might* be true, a manufacturing issue knows no bounds when it comes to complexity or simplicity.
There is no perfect Quality Control. And it doesn't make any difference whether a part is simple or complex.
It is not a small 0.1% problem. Otherwise Apple would not announce a replacement program. It is a systemic failure because Apple has tracked a SN that could cause this problem. Something went wrong.
If its 0.1%, which is 60K phones during that period btw, YES they offer a god damn replacement.
They've fracking done it before, and they'll do it again.
They said it was damn god damn rare. Got that buddy. So, you'Re basically calling Apple liars and you know different.
So, go, sue them, instigate a class action suit if you're so sure of you're damn shit.
Otherwise you're a troll.
I'm ignoring you because you make no god damn sense and don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Quote:Do you know how computer works? A logic board is very complicated. It is more complicated than a camera module.
Hey, bud, I've been building computers since the 1970s,. plus loads of other things. since that time.
You should stick away from pushing people when you don'T know who the hell you're dealing with.
The module has circuit boards, optical components, many small powerful actuators, optics, sensors, etc.
Yes, this thing 100% looks... "simple"...Good grief...
https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/Z1bvIdSWvISEKy4G.huge
Apple said the affected units fall into a limited serial number range and were sold primarily between September 2014 and January 2015. iPhone 6S started selling in September 2014. Your iPhone 6S qualifies for replacement only it is sold during this period. It is likely Apple did not fully test iPhone 6S before it is on sale. Subsequently, the problem is noticed and the supplier made a fix. So it is systematic of Apple.
Wow... just wow. Are you seriously trying to pass of your crudely imagined "logic" as some type of informed, lucid fact?
A great company is defined not only by the products it sells, but also the ability to back up their products. My iPhone 6+ camera started exhibiting those same issues and it will be repaired. That's a great company.
You on the other hand, just whine and complain about some imaginary fault that Apple has, and even after that... you still don't make sense.
Go troll elsewhere will ya?
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A Dutch writer coined the term: compulsive cliché. You know it's a cliché but it has to be said. As long as it is not said, there is this itch in the back of your mind.
Thank you, Just_Me, for relieving me of this itch.
A great company no, just one that backs up it's products, most do that. Where I buy my gadgets from, when I have a problem with a device, they just replace it, no sending it in, no waiting. My mobile provider will give their users a loaner until their phone is fixed. When my husband was having problems with his BlackBerry, his fault as he dropped it, he sent it in, 4 days later it was back with a free charging port and a 25 CHF credit towards BlackBerry World. One of my workstations is covered by same day onsite support, etc. I don't considered these companies great, just being responsible.
I guess we're just out of luck and responsible for finding a lpaner while the phone is shipped off to who knows where for repair.
This would come under the category of piss poor customer service. The profit margin is bound to be great on these devices.
Isn't it worth it to keep good will with a loyal customer base to ensure more business in the future?