I wasn't clear! The files are replicated across multiple physical (or logical) servers and changes to any data is synched to all others. So, I meant distributed referring to location of the data rather than a means of transferring the data.
It does mean that †he data is more available, because if one location (cluster) is unavailable FDB can select another based on workload (performance). As to download speeds, FDB data is encoded similar to a torrent
-- probably just as efficiently. You can easily segment a large file into smaller files as with torrents. I hadn't thought about it, but an FDB app could easily gather and assemble these segments from different locations.
Maybe not. FoundationDB is lean and mean. There was a blog (taken down) that showed how FDB scaled to 14.4 million writes per second. The AppleTV need not do the heavy lifting -- A Mac with more RAM, Storage and CPU cores could do the uploading/downloading and assembly -- then cross-load the files to the AppleTV.
Here's a short video that demos FDB on servers similar to a Mac Mini:
Thank you for your good answer. When #i was watching the video I was wondering how FoundationDB compares to other systems, as I do not have deeper knowledge oaths subject. I would suppose that all that was demoed in that clip is basically state own the art for any professional system. Maybe you can shed some light on this.
Regarding distributed storage of files, this would make sense to me, and from what I understand would be relatively easy to implement. At eat where I am, I see significant fluctuation of download speeds from Apple's servers.
W.r.t. the scenario you played out, i would prefer if actually no additional machine would be required. Based on the article on 9to5 it appears that the price tag will be up, pointing to more features, possibly internal storage and some "change"/balancing inside.
Good suggestion on its face, but it doesn't work. I just tried to block Marvin (temporarily), but "Block Member" is unfortunately not an option with Moderators.
And, he's posting more video gunk...
Ugh.
I put the videos inside spoiler tags, does that make things smoother? There were only two on this page, Safari should be able to handle two. With mobile Safari getting extension support, there will likely be content blockers that auto-hide elements that you can then tap on if you want to see them.
If the new device ends up being everything all-in-one like what is being described then I see the price being much higher than the $199-349 range. Think how iPhone combined a phone..iPod with touch controls and an Internet communicator and cost $599 initially. If it has decent on-board storage and could conceivably replace or combine other products I see it being more in the iPhone price range. I'm really looking forward to this keynote and hoping that whatever it is really knocks it out of the park and gets this category ignited for them.
I put the videos inside spoiler tags, does that make things smoother? There were only two on this page, Safari should be able to handle two. With mobile Safari getting extension support, there will likely be content blockers that auto-hide elements that you can then tap on if you want to see them.
It does. Thank you.
Can't wait for the new Safari with content blockers.
Everyone please calm down...the Apple TV 4 won't be the king of television because we all know that Samsung will come out with one 6 months later, have paperwork that says its been developing this since 2008, sell it for $20 less than Apple's, and call it the Samsung TV 4.
Everyone please calm down...the Apple TV 4 won't be the king of television because we all know that Samsung will come out with one 6 months later, have paperwork that says its been developing this since 2008, sell it for $20 less than Apple's, and call it the Samsung TV 4.
And it will run all the unsecured old versions of Android, and tie up the courts for year after year. Can't wait.
I find Marvin's posts to be very informative. He often times embeds videos from YouTube. Seems like Safari has an issue playing them.
Funny, I have no trouble with the embedded vids, on my iPad 3, my iPhone 6+ or my mac. Either on 3G or our shaky ADSL connection. Maybe people could try a different browser, like Dolphin for example. Might help.
I hope we also see an upgraded version with larger memory for $299. If it has 256MB it would be well worth it to take the place of my HD-DVR that I pay $25 a month rent right now.
I have to say that you did call it with those prices (if it turns out to be true). Was it in this thread or some other one?
I suggested these prices a few months ago ($69 &$199)...but then again, we shall see.
I assume Apple will leave it up to third parties to make PS4/XBox controllers for hard core gamers. The supplied remote may suffice for casual gaming.
This is the route Amazon goes with a low-end $34 HDMI stick:
You can see the ratings on each. The TV box without the controller has nearly 32,000 ratings and the controller has just over 1300. This box has only sold about 4.5m units so this would suggest a lot fewer, possibly <200k playing games via the dedicated controller. The Amazon box has been going out of stock recently, they might be scaling down production to see what Apple does with their box next and try and match the features.
The components in the existing ?TV should be able to scale down to a stick by now. This might be able to still get apps but a more limited selection (not ones that use the touch remote, just channels) and would be $69 and improved margins vs the current model. They need to retain a low entry point for sales volume because people use this to connect iOS devices to the TV and this price makes it easier to have them attached to multiple TVs.
They should be able to do a 32GB box with a touch remote for $149. A 32GB iPod Touch is $249, so take out the display, battery, cameras etc and $149 should be doable. Having the MFi controllers would let them offer gaming functionality without building and bundling a controller themselves for people who are interested and people who already have them can just use those.
The Fire TV has a cheap standard remote so if Apple has a more sophisticated touch remote then that could push the price up to $199 but I think that price would be too much for a media box. It could be all covered in glass like the Magic Mouse but in the same shape as the existing remote with pressure sensitivity, gyro, accelerometer. Or it could be mostly glass and have a couple of buttons at the top, play and menu. Having a dedicated button to hold is good for Siri. You'd just press and hold or double-press the play button.
I wonder if they'd allow apps as complex as browsers so that people could buy things through the TV. A touch remote would allow much easier interaction than other boxes. It would be like using the laptop trackpad. Having a browser would open up a lot of streaming content options.
The A8's GPU is NOT equivalent to the PS3. That's the next generation of PowerVR graphics likely coming in the A9.
And there are more to games than graphics. The fantasy that an AppleTV will replace dedicated game consoles is sheer lunacy.
That being said, hopefully it's actually a decent, open streaming box. The current one is way too closed down.
I wonder why apple won't just use the A9 for Apple TV instead using the old A8? Especially if it's an equal to the PS3 as you mentioned? Costs? Availability?
Between the streaming and wireless controllers is it acceptable?
I have wanted to do something similar but don't want to waste my money if it feels like mud.
Thanks.
It works extremely well, only and this is a big only, if you have a 5Ghz router or connected by ethernet. There was a large amount of people complaining in the Shield forum over at Nvidia as to how slow their games were playing, after about 4 pages of complaints an Nvidia rep asked what kind of router they were all using, turned out that not a single one was using a fast router. Than of course started the complaints about why Nvidia couldn't make it work with their old crappy routers. The startup manual, in bold states that you must have a 5Ghz router for streaming your PC games to your Shield.
More and more games are even starting to support multi-player on a single spit screen, very cool. Hence the reason why we bought more controller's. As a TV-Set Box it's also extremely powerful and more functionality than I've seen on other type of devices. Especially when it comes to gaming. I'm not sure where this notion of, there aren't any games for Android came from but their isn't a single game that my kids play on their iPads that isn't also available on the Shield, at least none that would be advantages to run on a system connected to a TV with gamepads. Not only that but their are more and more titles being released that are Shield specific, including Crysis 3, which I can't wait for. Yes, I'm a mother of two and I still enjoy playing games. Here is a list of some others, http://shield.nvidia.com/games/android . Even if a person who doesn't connect their PC up to it, which by the way is an absolute must, the amount of great games available and will soon be available is more than enough to keep any gamer happy. At 1080P, 4x MSAA, there isn't a single game including ones like Doom 3 that don't run with at least 60FPS.
The machine we built for my son was done predominantly using parts from EVGA. Total system cost was just short of 2,000. Reason being was I got a great deal on the GPU, only 350 bucks, not to shabby when you consider it's watercooled. Even though the machine is technically my son's we all use it. I can even play games from him his machine when in my little office by connecting to it via my Shield Tablet.
EVGA Hadron Hydro (case)
EVGA Watercooling Kit for Hadron Hydro
EVGA X99 Micro2
EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti Hydro Copper
Intel Core i7-5820K
Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz
Samsung 850 EVO 500GB
Between the streaming and wireless controllers is it acceptable?
I have wanted to do something similar but don't want to waste my money if it feels like mud.
Thanks.
It works extremely well, only and this is a big only, if you have a 5Ghz router or connected by ethernet. There was a large amount of people complaining in the Shield forum over at Nvidia as to how slow their games were playing, after about 4 pages of complaints an Nvidia rep asked what kind of router they were all using, turned out that not a single one was using a fast router. Than of course started the complaints about why Nvidia couldn't make it work with their old crappy routers. The startup manual, in bold states that you must have a 5Ghz router for streaming your PC games to your Shield.
More and more games are even starting to support multi-player on a single spit screen, very cool. Hence the reason why we bought more controller's. As a TV-Set Box it's also extremely powerful and more functionality than I've seen on other type of devices. Especially when it comes to gaming. I'm not sure where this notion of, there aren't any games for Android came from but their isn't a single game that my kids play on their iPads that isn't also available on the Shield, at least none that would be advantages to run on a system connected to a TV with gamepads. Not only that but their are more and more titles being released that are Shield specific, including Crysis 3, which I can't wait for. Yes, I'm a mother of two and I still enjoy playing games. Here is a list of some others, http://shield.nvidia.com/games/android . Even if a person who doesn't connect their PC up to it, which by the way is an absolute must, the amount of great games available and will soon be available is more than enough to keep any gamer happy. At 1080P, 4x MSAA, there isn't a single game including ones like Doom 3 that don't run with at least 60FPS.
The machine we built for my son was done predominantly using parts from EVGA. Total system cost was just short of 2,000. Reason being was I got a great deal on the GPU, only 350 bucks, not to shabby when you consider it's watercooled. Even though the machine is technically my son's we all use it. I can even play games from him his machine when in my little office by connecting to it via my Shield Tablet.
EVGA Hadron Hydro (case)
EVGA Watercooling Kit for Hadron Hydro
EVGA X99 Micro2
EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti Hydro Copper
Intel Core i7-5820K
Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz
Samsung 850 EVO 500GB
Thank you kindly!
You answered my questions and then some. I appreciate it.
Nice gaming rig by the way (or computer in general). That GPU is an absolute beast and will handle anything you can throw at it for gaming at 1080p without a doubt. At $350 you got it half off, at least! You should have gotten 2! That 5820K is no slouch either, it's begging you to overclock it by 1Ghz.
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I wasn't clear! The files are replicated across multiple physical (or logical) servers and changes to any data is synched to all others. So, I meant distributed referring to location of the data rather than a means of transferring the data.
It does mean that †he data is more available, because if one location (cluster) is unavailable FDB can select another based on workload (performance). As to download speeds, FDB data is encoded similar to a torrent
-- probably just as efficiently. You can easily segment a large file into smaller files as with torrents. I hadn't thought about it, but an FDB app could easily gather and assemble these segments from different locations.
Maybe not. FoundationDB is lean and mean. There was a blog (taken down) that showed how FDB scaled to 14.4 million writes per second. The AppleTV need not do the heavy lifting -- A Mac with more RAM, Storage and CPU cores could do the uploading/downloading and assembly -- then cross-load the files to the AppleTV.
Here's a short video that demos FDB on servers similar to a Mac Mini:
Thank you for your good answer. When #i was watching the video I was wondering how FoundationDB compares to other systems, as I do not have deeper knowledge oaths subject. I would suppose that all that was demoed in that clip is basically state own the art for any professional system. Maybe you can shed some light on this.
Regarding distributed storage of files, this would make sense to me, and from what I understand would be relatively easy to implement. At eat where I am, I see significant fluctuation of download speeds from Apple's servers.
W.r.t. the scenario you played out, i would prefer if actually no additional machine would be required. Based on the article on 9to5 it appears that the price tag will be up, pointing to more features, possibly internal storage and some "change"/balancing inside.
Weird, my iPhone 5 and iPad 3 do great browsing the web and ai (both web and app). Wonder what your issue is.
I put the videos inside spoiler tags, does that make things smoother? There were only two on this page, Safari should be able to handle two. With mobile Safari getting extension support, there will likely be content blockers that auto-hide elements that you can then tap on if you want to see them.
I'm really looking forward to this keynote and hoping that whatever it is really knocks it out of the park and gets this category ignited for them.
"The Apple TV has both those apps."
Apple TV having HBO and Netflix means only that Apple is offering the same shows as the competition.
Apple needs unique content to grow the Apple TV business. That could be games, original shows, or exclusive shows.
That's my strong personal opinion anyway.
It does. Thank you.
Can't wait for the new Safari with content blockers.
IMHO, the only content business Apple should be in is helping produce their advertisements.
For what it's worth....
I was happy to read that as it lines up with the HW features I wish it to have.
Apple has been holding pocket aces for a while. Maybe with the Apple Music launch it's finally time to play them.
Could well be, seeing that AppleMusic may well turn out to be a busted flush.
Everyone please calm down...the Apple TV 4 won't be the king of television because we all know that Samsung will come out with one 6 months later, have paperwork that says its been developing this since 2008, sell it for $20 less than Apple's, and call it the Samsung TV 4.
And it will run all the unsecured old versions of Android, and tie up the courts for year after year. Can't wait.
I find Marvin's posts to be very informative. He often times embeds videos from YouTube. Seems like Safari has an issue playing them.
Funny, I have no trouble with the embedded vids, on my iPad 3, my iPhone 6+ or my mac. Either on 3G or our shaky ADSL connection. Maybe people could try a different browser, like Dolphin for example. Might help.
Agree on Marvin's posts being informative.
I've all but given up on browsing the internet on my iPad Air except for the most light and basic things.
It's almost 2 years old and is great for lots and lots of things, but sadly browsing the internet isn't one of them.
Weird, my iPhone 5 and iPad 3 do great browsing the web and ai (both web and app). Wonder what your issue is.
I wish I knew. Apple store said it's fine.
I'm hoping that iOS 9 squishes my bugs.
I have to say that you did call it with those prices (if it turns out to be true). Was it in this thread or some other one?
9to5Mac is apparently reporting that the new AppleTV will be priced at $149 or $199, and be available in October.
For what it's worth....
I suggested these prices a few months ago ($69 &$199)...but then again, we shall see.
I assume Apple will leave it up to third parties to make PS4/XBox controllers for hard core gamers. The supplied remote may suffice for casual gaming.
This is the route Amazon goes with a low-end $34 HDMI stick:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GDQ0RMG
and a $99 box with remote that has voice interaction:
http://www.amazon.com/Fire-TV-streaming-media-player/dp/B00CX5P8FC
but the $40 controller is separate:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DU0ZI8Q
You can see the ratings on each. The TV box without the controller has nearly 32,000 ratings and the controller has just over 1300. This box has only sold about 4.5m units so this would suggest a lot fewer, possibly <200k playing games via the dedicated controller. The Amazon box has been going out of stock recently, they might be scaling down production to see what Apple does with their box next and try and match the features.
The components in the existing ?TV should be able to scale down to a stick by now. This might be able to still get apps but a more limited selection (not ones that use the touch remote, just channels) and would be $69 and improved margins vs the current model. They need to retain a low entry point for sales volume because people use this to connect iOS devices to the TV and this price makes it easier to have them attached to multiple TVs.
They should be able to do a 32GB box with a touch remote for $149. A 32GB iPod Touch is $249, so take out the display, battery, cameras etc and $149 should be doable. Having the MFi controllers would let them offer gaming functionality without building and bundling a controller themselves for people who are interested and people who already have them can just use those.
The Fire TV has a cheap standard remote so if Apple has a more sophisticated touch remote then that could push the price up to $199 but I think that price would be too much for a media box. It could be all covered in glass like the Magic Mouse but in the same shape as the existing remote with pressure sensitivity, gyro, accelerometer. Or it could be mostly glass and have a couple of buttons at the top, play and menu. Having a dedicated button to hold is good for Siri. You'd just press and hold or double-press the play button.
I wonder if they'd allow apps as complex as browsers so that people could buy things through the TV. A touch remote would allow much easier interaction than other boxes. It would be like using the laptop trackpad. Having a browser would open up a lot of streaming content options.
I wonder why apple won't just use the A9 for Apple TV instead using the old A8? Especially if it's an equal to the PS3 as you mentioned? Costs? Availability?
It works extremely well, only and this is a big only, if you have a 5Ghz router or connected by ethernet. There was a large amount of people complaining in the Shield forum over at Nvidia as to how slow their games were playing, after about 4 pages of complaints an Nvidia rep asked what kind of router they were all using, turned out that not a single one was using a fast router. Than of course started the complaints about why Nvidia couldn't make it work with their old crappy routers. The startup manual, in bold states that you must have a 5Ghz router for streaming your PC games to your Shield.
More and more games are even starting to support multi-player on a single spit screen, very cool. Hence the reason why we bought more controller's. As a TV-Set Box it's also extremely powerful and more functionality than I've seen on other type of devices. Especially when it comes to gaming. I'm not sure where this notion of, there aren't any games for Android came from but their isn't a single game that my kids play on their iPads that isn't also available on the Shield, at least none that would be advantages to run on a system connected to a TV with gamepads. Not only that but their are more and more titles being released that are Shield specific, including Crysis 3, which I can't wait for. Yes, I'm a mother of two and I still enjoy playing games. Here is a list of some others, http://shield.nvidia.com/games/android . Even if a person who doesn't connect their PC up to it, which by the way is an absolute must, the amount of great games available and will soon be available is more than enough to keep any gamer happy. At 1080P, 4x MSAA, there isn't a single game including ones like Doom 3 that don't run with at least 60FPS.
The machine we built for my son was done predominantly using parts from EVGA. Total system cost was just short of 2,000. Reason being was I got a great deal on the GPU, only 350 bucks, not to shabby when you consider it's watercooled. Even though the machine is technically my son's we all use it. I can even play games from him his machine when in my little office by connecting to it via my Shield Tablet.
EVGA Hadron Hydro (case)
EVGA Watercooling Kit for Hadron Hydro
EVGA X99 Micro2
EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti Hydro Copper
Intel Core i7-5820K
Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz
Samsung 850 EVO 500GB
Hey Relic how is the lag?
Between the streaming and wireless controllers is it acceptable?
I have wanted to do something similar but don't want to waste my money if it feels like mud.
Thanks.
It works extremely well, only and this is a big only, if you have a 5Ghz router or connected by ethernet. There was a large amount of people complaining in the Shield forum over at Nvidia as to how slow their games were playing, after about 4 pages of complaints an Nvidia rep asked what kind of router they were all using, turned out that not a single one was using a fast router. Than of course started the complaints about why Nvidia couldn't make it work with their old crappy routers. The startup manual, in bold states that you must have a 5Ghz router for streaming your PC games to your Shield.
More and more games are even starting to support multi-player on a single spit screen, very cool. Hence the reason why we bought more controller's. As a TV-Set Box it's also extremely powerful and more functionality than I've seen on other type of devices. Especially when it comes to gaming. I'm not sure where this notion of, there aren't any games for Android came from but their isn't a single game that my kids play on their iPads that isn't also available on the Shield, at least none that would be advantages to run on a system connected to a TV with gamepads. Not only that but their are more and more titles being released that are Shield specific, including Crysis 3, which I can't wait for. Yes, I'm a mother of two and I still enjoy playing games. Here is a list of some others, http://shield.nvidia.com/games/android . Even if a person who doesn't connect their PC up to it, which by the way is an absolute must, the amount of great games available and will soon be available is more than enough to keep any gamer happy. At 1080P, 4x MSAA, there isn't a single game including ones like Doom 3 that don't run with at least 60FPS.
The machine we built for my son was done predominantly using parts from EVGA. Total system cost was just short of 2,000. Reason being was I got a great deal on the GPU, only 350 bucks, not to shabby when you consider it's watercooled. Even though the machine is technically my son's we all use it. I can even play games from him his machine when in my little office by connecting to it via my Shield Tablet.
EVGA Hadron Hydro (case)
EVGA Watercooling Kit for Hadron Hydro
EVGA X99 Micro2
EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti Hydro Copper
Intel Core i7-5820K
Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz
Samsung 850 EVO 500GB
Thank you kindly!
You answered my questions and then some. I appreciate it.
Nice gaming rig by the way (or computer in general). That GPU is an absolute beast and will handle anything you can throw at it for gaming at 1080p without a doubt. At $350 you got it half off, at least! You should have gotten 2! That 5820K is no slouch either, it's begging you to overclock it by 1Ghz.
Nice rig indeed.