Yep, and the sales figures for the Watch compared to android wearables would suggest that there are a lot of beholders.
Not really. Sales numbers have not been released. Everyone is just speculating. No doubt Apple blew away Android wearables. There's been a massive pent up desire for some new Apple gadget among the super fans. The question is, do sales increase? Does Apple convince more and more people to buy the Watch? Or is it s niche product?
Timeless!? The only reason watches became round is because hour, minute, and second hands were moving in a circle, and made it look more aesthetic given that constraint.
Sundials (the time keeping devices that preceded watches) were not circular by any means.
Some day you'll figure it out.
Sundials have nothing to do with the discussion. You don't wear a sundial. We're talking about watches. Someday maybe YOU will figure it out. Kind of doubt it though.
Apple temporarily missed out on the larger phone sizes by being pigheaded about the trade-off between one-handed use versus screen size, and I think they may lose out on a large number of watch sales if they get pigheaded about the trade-off between watch size/shape versus area that can be used specifically for lists.
Pig headed or did the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus appear when all of the necessary design constraints had been met, which is exactly how Tim Cook described its creation? It then went on to bulldoze the competition. If Apple loses out on watch sales to the round format, so be it, but it will be Apple's decision as to when and if a round watch appears, not as some frantic reaction to the current market.
I will laugh my ass off if all these other companies start making rectangular wrist worn computers ( or as most call them, watches) like Apple, and siriously, people need to get over the danm old mechanical watches, that era is dying. Watches are no longer watches. Let it go.
You must be talking about the rectangular smartwatches from Pebble or Samsung that have been around for a few years before the Apple Watch.
Going back even older, smart watches like the Fossil that ran Palms OS was also rectangular. Of course there is also the Braun watch that was also rectangular, but maybe not so smart.
A friend of mine had a Casio back in the day that was rectangular that had a calculator and an RF emitter that could control the television.
Also a lot of people like nice old-school mechanical watches. There is nothing wrong with that and nothing to "get over" about it. It's simply personal preference.
Not really. Sales numbers have not been released. Everyone is just speculating. No doubt Apple blew away Android wearables, but Apple also has a rabid fan base who would buy poop on a stick if Jony designed the stick. And I say that as an Apple fan, but let's be honest. There's been a massive pent up desire for some new Apple gadget among the super fans. The question is, do sales increase? Does Apple convince more and more people to buy the Watch? Or is it s niche product?
I know you think you're being clever and condescending, but you just sound like an idiot. Sundials have nothing to do with the discussion. You don't wear a sundial. We're talking about watches. Someday maybe YOU will figure it out. Kind of doubt it though.
You Android trolls can wait and hope until the proverbial cows come home, but most of your wearables are DOA. Circular or square.
Btw, I think it is difficult to be clever and idiotic at the same time. That said, sounding 'like an idiot' in the frame of reference that you guys inhabit is a badge of honor I shall wear with pride!
And yes, I was being condescending. I am impressed that you noticed.
You Android trolls can wait and hope until the proverbial cows come home, but most of your wearables are DOA. Circular or square.
Btw, I think it is difficult to be clever and idiotic at the same time. That said, sounding 'like an idiot' in the frame of reference that you guys inhabit is a badge of honor I shall wear with pride!
And yes, I was being condescending. I am impressed that you noticed.
Let's see...
I bought my first Apple product 33 years ago.
I've never owned a PC. I have owned NeXT computers though.
I've been invested in Apple almost as long as I've been a customer.
I've always made my living on Apple products and have personally switched at least a hundred individuals and businesses to Apple.
I've never owned an Android device.
BUT...because I dare not have a spontaneous orgasm over every product Apple releases, I am a troll.
Look in the mirror. I think you'll find the nasty little troll you're looking for there. You're pathetic.
Style is bias; bias changes. Apple has designed its watch for function as well as elegance and style. The market will decide over time which form factor is in vogue, and which is out. It might be the case the round is the old, and rectangular is the new.
Style changes. But I would wager that neither will ever be totally "out". More so than computer gear, wearables call out for variety and personalization. Apple understands this, and that's why they tried so hard to bring customization in the form of different strap types, different strap colors, and different watch casing materials, sizes, and colors. But that's not enough. Apple is going to need to provide a choice of shapes also. Otherwise they stand a lose out on lots of business.
Apple traditionally likes to keep its number of SKUs to a minimum for tighter inventory control. But they have now entered a market that begs for more variety. For example, girls don't mind walking into a party at which many other girls are toting the same iPhone. But they absolutely hate running into even one girl that's wearing the same shirt or shoes or necklace. The same problem will exist for the watch, even though the choices of watch straps and colors somewhat reduce the likelihood.
My prediction is that Apple will come out with a round ? Watch within the next five years, and much sooner unless they prove too slow and stubborn.
You must be talking about the rectangular smartwatches from Pebble or Samsung that have been around for a few years before the Apple Watch.
Going back even older, smart watches like the Fossil that ran Palms OS was also rectangular. Of course there is also the Braun watch that was also rectangular, but maybe not so smart.
A friend of mine had a Casio back in the day that was rectangular that had a calculator and an RF emitter that could control the television.
Also a lot of people like nice old-school mechanical watches. There is nothing wrong with that and nothing to "get over" about it. It's simply personal preference.
You forgot the Asus. LMAO
I had some of those watches with calculators and remote control. They were cool.
And yes people need to get over this smart watches not looking like the old mechanical watches, I like my mechanical watches, but is time for the new. New concepts, new looks, new functions, new era of the watch.
I've never owned a PC. I have owned NeXT computers though.
I've been invested in Apple almost as long as I've been a customer.
I've always made my living on Apple products and have personally switched at least a hundred individuals and businesses to Apple.
I've never owned an Android device.
BUT...because I dare not have a spontaneous orgasm over every product Apple releases, I am a troll.
Look in the mirror. I think you'll find the nasty little troll you're looking for there. You're pathetic.
Yes, yes, yes, you own Apple, etc etc. Impressed.
'Pathetic' is in (quote)the eyes of the beholder(unquote) isn't it?
I have no idea what it is about the Watch that brings out the nasties in force. A similar thing happened with the iPhone. We all know how that story ended.
The kind you could do yourself, or had to get done at a store (or with some fancy watch tools)?
Which major watchmaker? Please provide a link. Or move along. Enough trolling.
Fancy tools? A number of other watches just used a standard pin based band, you shouldn't have to go to a store or use any fancy tools to remove those.
The ASUS ZenWatch had a simple quick release for the pins on their straps. <span style="line-height:1.4em;">These required no tools at all:</span>
'Pathetic' is in (quote)the eyes of the beholder(unquote) isn't it?
I have no idea what it is about the Watch that brings out the nasties in force. A similar thing happened with the iPhone. We all know how that story ended.
And yes, you should be impressed. People like me helped make Apple what it is today by supporting it through thick and thin because we knew the product was better. When Jobs left Apple I started buying NeXT computers. If it wasn't for people like me, you wouldn't have your precious OS X or iPhone or Apple Watch. When did you buy your first Apple product?
Reasonable people can disagree on things. I think the Apple Watch is ugly! I also don't think any of these Android watches are uglier. I prefer a round watch face to a square one, smart watch or not.
Geiger comes to mind of a pretty slick interchangeable band mechanism that requires no tools.
That being said, changing bands on something like a Swatch requires little more than about 2 minutes with a paper clip.
I am not aware of Geiger. I'll look it up. Thanks.
Changing bands on the Swatch (I own quite a few) takes more than two minutes as I know from personal experience. More importantly (and even if the claim of two minutes were true in your experience), changing bands on the Watch takes about five seconds in each side, and does not require a paper clip.
Are you really asking that question? You're one of the rudest people on this board. You never offer anything remotely close to a thoughtful commentary on anything. Anyone who critiques Apple instead of endlessly gushing is labeled a troll. Who are you??????
And yes, you should be impressed. People like me helped make Apple what it is today by supporting it through thick and thin because we knew the product was better. When Jobs left Apple I started buying NeXT computers. If it wasn't for people like me, you wouldn't have your precious OS X or iPhone or Apple Watch. When did you buy your first Apple product?
You're a nasty human being and I will gladly call you out on your condescending, classless, and puerile behavior any day. Reasonable people can disagree on things without having to listen to crap from a troll like you. I think the Apple Watch is ugly! I also don't think any of these Android watches are uglier. I prefer a round watch face to a square one, smart watch or not. But I'm a troll for expressing my opinion??? Again, who are you?????
Oh yikes... Having a really bad day, I am guessing? Calm down (i know that saying that might make it worse; if so, too bad).
As to who I am, just a poster here on AI. You certainly appear to have reached a conclusion about the rest!
And, for future reference, you might consider the possibility that rudeness begets rudeness.
I did not realize that Asus was a major watchmaker.
Before I ditched wearing wristwatches, all of my watches growing up (and as a young adult) had interchangeable bands (Casio, Timex). They used the pretty standard thin spring loaded pen that you had to release with your fingernail or the end of a safety pin. Any over the age of 30 should have an idea of what I'm talking about.
And you would always find standard replacement bands at Roses/Kmart/Walmart/Brendles/Woolworths/etc.
Sundials have nothing to do with the discussion. You don't wear a sundial. We're talking about watches. Someday maybe YOU will figure it out. Kind of doubt it though.
While it's true that sundials have little to do with this discussion, you missed an opportunity. You see, even though sundials do not need to be circular (because the shadow generally makes a non-circular arc across the face of the dial) the ancients did choose to draw the face segments as circles (or semicircles) anyway. I don't know what sundials the previous poster has been looking at. Ironically, this means the previous poster proved the opposite of what he intended: somehow circles are seen as preferable even in settings where they are not needed. Even thousands of years ago.
As someone said earlier (was it you?) circles and other closed curves are timeless. Infinite loops! New Apple campus! Gateway Arch! Crystal balls! (OK... now I'm going off the deep end!)
You forgot the Asus. LMAO
I had some of those watches with calculators and remote control. They were cool.
And yes people need to get over this smart watches not looking like the old mechanical watches, I like my mechanical watches, but is time for the new. New concepts, new looks, new functions, new era of the watch.
?Watch
Here's to a new era of watch! I am psyched about it. But that doesn't mean I'm wrong when I suggest they need a round one too. I don't care about the old mechanical watches. I would just prefer to wear a round shape. I have faith that Apple could overcome the legitimate arguments that have been made by others here.
While it's true that sundials have little to do with this discussion, you missed an opportunity. You see, even though sundials do not need to be circular (because the shadow generally makes a non-circular arc across the face of the dial) the ancients did choose to draw the face segments as circles (or semicircles) anyway. I don't know what sundials the previous poster has been looking at. Ironically, this means the previous poster proved the opposite of what he intended: somehow circles are seen as preferable even in settings where they are not needed. Even thousands of years ago.
Of course many sundials were semicircular. The point is, they were not circular by default. Incidentally, look at this Wikipedia link (sorry, but I am a bit lazy today) and you'll see that historically, there were many, many different kinds of shapes. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundial
More importantly, my point was that the circular shape for a regular, mechanical, analog watch seemed logical given hands of fixed length that rotated. You chose to ignore that point.
Additionally, my point was about timekeeping devices in general. The poster you addressed was the one that referred to the circular shape as being "timeless". There's nothing timeless about a circle when it comes to timekeeping devices. That's all I was saying.
I don't know about that. I think it looks quite nice. Too thick, but overall a good effort. Round face is timeless. The Apple Watch's rounded corner chicklet form factor already feels dated to me. That said, I'm still not seeing anything in the smart watch space that compels me to buy.
And who is Motorola copying? I mean, they did have a smart watch on the market long before Apple...
Right... "timeless" for god damn mechanical watches with face... Which were like that for practical reason and also lazyness (it's cheaper to make a round watch).
We don't read in circle, no matter what those idiots at Samsung and others think.
I'm going to bet 99% of buyers of those "non dated"... pieces of crap watches will be male tech nerds... Such a big promissing crowd... Because they look like absolute metal turds. Metal turds sell like... Well you get the idea.
How on earth can the Apple Watch look dated when no one has EVER done something the same. What looks dated is those retro puke watches, which have all the charm of round metal hockey pucks.
Want me to look at your previous posts to see what you said the day it was launched; bet you've been calling it dated from the first day.
When those puke "high end" watches sell 1/10 of what the Apple Watch sells, they can be called a pseudo success, they've got a long way to go.
Before I ditched wearing wristwatches, all of my watches growing up (and as a young adult) had interchangeable bands (Casio, Timex). They used the pretty standard thin spring loaded pen that you had to release with your fingernail or the end of a safety pin. Any over the age of 30 should have an idea of what I'm talking about.
And you would always find standard replacement bands at Roses/Kmart/Walmart/Brendles/Woolworths/etc.
And all those bands were of terrible quality, just horrible. Yeah, I remember.
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Not really. Sales numbers have not been released. Everyone is just speculating. No doubt Apple blew away Android wearables. There's been a massive pent up desire for some new Apple gadget among the super fans. The question is, do sales increase? Does Apple convince more and more people to buy the Watch? Or is it s niche product?
Sundials have nothing to do with the discussion. You don't wear a sundial. We're talking about watches. Someday maybe YOU will figure it out. Kind of doubt it though.
Apple temporarily missed out on the larger phone sizes by being pigheaded about the trade-off between one-handed use versus screen size, and I think they may lose out on a large number of watch sales if they get pigheaded about the trade-off between watch size/shape versus area that can be used specifically for lists.
Pig headed or did the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus appear when all of the necessary design constraints had been met, which is exactly how Tim Cook described its creation? It then went on to bulldoze the competition. If Apple loses out on watch sales to the round format, so be it, but it will be Apple's decision as to when and if a round watch appears, not as some frantic reaction to the current market.
I will laugh my ass off if all these other companies start making rectangular wrist worn computers ( or as most call them, watches) like Apple, and siriously, people need to get over the danm old mechanical watches, that era is dying. Watches are no longer watches. Let it go.
You must be talking about the rectangular smartwatches from Pebble or Samsung that have been around for a few years before the Apple Watch.
Going back even older, smart watches like the Fossil that ran Palms OS was also rectangular. Of course there is also the Braun watch that was also rectangular, but maybe not so smart.
A friend of mine had a Casio back in the day that was rectangular that had a calculator and an RF emitter that could control the television.
Also a lot of people like nice old-school mechanical watches. There is nothing wrong with that and nothing to "get over" about it. It's simply personal preference.
For what its worth I have been waiting for a company to come out with a round phone that doubles as a pocket watch.
I think the steampunk/hipster crowd would love something like that.
Maybe taking a big, gold android phablet put on a heavy gold chain and hanging from your neck will already do the job nicely
Get Flava Flav to endorse it and I think we have a winner!
You Android trolls can wait and hope until the proverbial cows come home, but most of your wearables are DOA. Circular or square.
Btw, I think it is difficult to be clever and idiotic at the same time. That said, sounding 'like an idiot' in the frame of reference that you guys inhabit is a badge of honor I shall wear with pride!
And yes, I was being condescending. I am impressed that you noticed.
Yeah, and there are thousands of images of non-circular sundials. Just search.
Btw, the picture you posted is not a circle.
Let's see...
I bought my first Apple product 33 years ago.
I've never owned a PC. I have owned NeXT computers though.
I've been invested in Apple almost as long as I've been a customer.
I've always made my living on Apple products and have personally switched at least a hundred individuals and businesses to Apple.
I've never owned an Android device.
BUT...because I dare not have a spontaneous orgasm over every product Apple releases, I am a troll.
Look in the mirror. I think you'll find the nasty little troll you're looking for there. You're pathetic.
Style changes. But I would wager that neither will ever be totally "out". More so than computer gear, wearables call out for variety and personalization. Apple understands this, and that's why they tried so hard to bring customization in the form of different strap types, different strap colors, and different watch casing materials, sizes, and colors. But that's not enough. Apple is going to need to provide a choice of shapes also. Otherwise they stand a lose out on lots of business.
Apple traditionally likes to keep its number of SKUs to a minimum for tighter inventory control. But they have now entered a market that begs for more variety. For example, girls don't mind walking into a party at which many other girls are toting the same iPhone. But they absolutely hate running into even one girl that's wearing the same shirt or shoes or necklace. The same problem will exist for the watch, even though the choices of watch straps and colors somewhat reduce the likelihood.
My prediction is that Apple will come out with a round ? Watch within the next five years, and much sooner unless they prove too slow and stubborn.
You forgot the Asus. LMAO
I had some of those watches with calculators and remote control. They were cool.
And yes people need to get over this smart watches not looking like the old mechanical watches, I like my mechanical watches, but is time for the new. New concepts, new looks, new functions, new era of the watch.
?Watch
Yes, yes, yes, you own Apple, etc etc. Impressed.
'Pathetic' is in (quote)the eyes of the beholder(unquote) isn't it?
I have no idea what it is about the Watch that brings out the nasties in force. A similar thing happened with the iPhone. We all know how that story ended.
I was asking about a 'major watchmaker.'
I did not realize that Asus was a major watchmaker.
And yes, you should be impressed. People like me helped make Apple what it is today by supporting it through thick and thin because we knew the product was better. When Jobs left Apple I started buying NeXT computers. If it wasn't for people like me, you wouldn't have your precious OS X or iPhone or Apple Watch. When did you buy your first Apple product?
Reasonable people can disagree on things. I think the Apple Watch is ugly! I also don't think any of these Android watches are uglier. I prefer a round watch face to a square one, smart watch or not.
I am not aware of Geiger. I'll look it up. Thanks.
Changing bands on the Swatch (I own quite a few) takes more than two minutes as I know from personal experience. More importantly (and even if the claim of two minutes were true in your experience), changing bands on the Watch takes about five seconds in each side, and does not require a paper clip.
Oh yikes... Having a really bad day, I am guessing? Calm down (i know that saying that might make it worse; if so, too bad).
As to who I am, just a poster here on AI. You certainly appear to have reached a conclusion about the rest!
And, for future reference, you might consider the possibility that rudeness begets rudeness.
Add: 1983.
Before I ditched wearing wristwatches, all of my watches growing up (and as a young adult) had interchangeable bands (Casio, Timex). They used the pretty standard thin spring loaded pen that you had to release with your fingernail or the end of a safety pin. Any over the age of 30 should have an idea of what I'm talking about.
And you would always find standard replacement bands at Roses/Kmart/Walmart/Brendles/Woolworths/etc.
While it's true that sundials have little to do with this discussion, you missed an opportunity. You see, even though sundials do not need to be circular (because the shadow generally makes a non-circular arc across the face of the dial) the ancients did choose to draw the face segments as circles (or semicircles) anyway. I don't know what sundials the previous poster has been looking at. Ironically, this means the previous poster proved the opposite of what he intended: somehow circles are seen as preferable even in settings where they are not needed. Even thousands of years ago.
As someone said earlier (was it you?) circles and other closed curves are timeless. Infinite loops! New Apple campus! Gateway Arch! Crystal balls! (OK... now I'm going off the deep end!)
Of course many sundials were semicircular. The point is, they were not circular by default. Incidentally, look at this Wikipedia link (sorry, but I am a bit lazy today) and you'll see that historically, there were many, many different kinds of shapes. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundial
More importantly, my point was that the circular shape for a regular, mechanical, analog watch seemed logical given hands of fixed length that rotated. You chose to ignore that point.
Additionally, my point was about timekeeping devices in general. The poster you addressed was the one that referred to the circular shape as being "timeless". There's nothing timeless about a circle when it comes to timekeeping devices. That's all I was saying.
I don't know about that. I think it looks quite nice. Too thick, but overall a good effort. Round face is timeless. The Apple Watch's rounded corner chicklet form factor already feels dated to me. That said, I'm still not seeing anything in the smart watch space that compels me to buy.
And who is Motorola copying? I mean, they did have a smart watch on the market long before Apple...
Right... "timeless" for god damn mechanical watches with face... Which were like that for practical reason and also lazyness (it's cheaper to make a round watch).
We don't read in circle, no matter what those idiots at Samsung and others think.
I'm going to bet 99% of buyers of those "non dated"... pieces of crap watches will be male tech nerds... Such a big promissing crowd... Because they look like absolute metal turds. Metal turds sell like... Well you get the idea.
How on earth can the Apple Watch look dated when no one has EVER done something the same. What looks dated is those retro puke watches, which have all the charm of round metal hockey pucks.
Want me to look at your previous posts to see what you said the day it was launched; bet you've been calling it dated from the first day.
When those puke "high end" watches sell 1/10 of what the Apple Watch sells, they can be called a pseudo success, they've got a long way to go.
Before I ditched wearing wristwatches, all of my watches growing up (and as a young adult) had interchangeable bands (Casio, Timex). They used the pretty standard thin spring loaded pen that you had to release with your fingernail or the end of a safety pin. Any over the age of 30 should have an idea of what I'm talking about.
And you would always find standard replacement bands at Roses/Kmart/Walmart/Brendles/Woolworths/etc.
And all those bands were of terrible quality, just horrible. Yeah, I remember.