Motorola debuts second-gen Moto 360 smartwatch, first-gen Moto 360 Sport

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  • Reply 101 of 278
    robbyxrobbyx Posts: 479member
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    Oh yikes... Having a really bad day, I am guessing? Calm down (i know that saying that might make it worse; if so, too bad).



    As to who I am, just a poster here on AI. You certainly appear to have reached a conclusion about the rest!



    And, for future reference, you might consider the possibility that rudeness begets rudeness.



    Add: 1983.



    Then stop being rude.  I'm not allowed to express my opinion that I think the Watch is ugly?  That's rudeness in your book?  You got nasty and condescending with me.  I think my posts in this thread have all been pretty measured, but I'm not that impressed with the Watch.  Sorry.

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    bluefire1bluefire1 Posts: 1,309member

    How innovative. Not.

  • Reply 103 of 278
    thomprthompr Posts: 1,521member
    foggyhill wrote: »
    Right... "timeless" for god damn mechanical watches with  face... Which were like that for practical reason and also lazyness (it's cheaper to make a round watch).

    We don't read in circle, no matter what those idiots at Samsung and others think.

    I'm going to bet 99% of buyers of those "non dated"... pieces of shit watches will be male tech nerds... Such a big promissing crowd too... Because they look like absolute turds.

    How on earth can the Apple Watch look dated when no one has EVER done something the same. What looks dated is those retro puke watches.

    Want me to look at your previous posts to see what you said the day it was launched; bet you've been calling it dated from the first day.

    When those puke "high end" watches sell 1/10 of what the Apple Watch sells, they can be called a pseudo success, they've got a long way to go.
    Pardon my interruption. I, for one, don't dispute much of what you say here. Apple's going to sell way more watches than these other guys, but that has less to do with the shape and more to do with a litany of advantages Apple showcases with every product class.

    But in my opinion, a round Apple watch would be a thing of beauty like no other. I appreciate the obstacles that you and others have rightly pointed out about the difficulty of efficiently displaying information on a round screen, but I am not ready to declare those obstacles insurmountable. If anybody could do it, I'll bet Apple can, and I would also bet that they are working on it. Furthermore, the desire for individualism in things that people wear is going to drive a need for more options, shapes, and models. This hasn't been in keeping with Apple's successful MO, but this is the market they entered. Just differentiating via the straps and materials is not going to cut it. Shapes will come.
  • Reply 104 of 278
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    You must be talking about the rectangular smartwatches from Pebble or Samsung that have been around for a few years before the Apple Watch.



    Going back even older, smart watches like the Fossil that ran Palms OS was also rectangular. Of course there is also the Braun watch that was also rectangular, but maybe not so smart.



    A friend of mine had a Casio back in the day that was rectangular that had a calculator and an RF emitter that could control the television.



    Also a lot of people like nice old-school mechanical watches. There is nothing wrong with that and nothing to "get over" about it. It's simply personal preference.




    You forgot the Asus. LMAO

    I had some of those watches with calculators and remote control. They were cool.



    And yes people need to get over this smart watches not looking like the old mechanical watches, I like my mechanical watches, but is time for the new. New concepts, new looks, new functions, new era of the watch.



    ?Watch

    While I don't dispute your logic that it's "time" (your pun not mine ;)) for new ideas, new paradigms, functions, looks, etc. I do think that in 50 years, 100 years, people will still wear a classic wrist watch if it suits their fancy. If classic watches ever die, it will be a very long slow death.

     

    The idea that if it is worn on the wrist and happens to tell time in addition to dozens of other features then it should look like a classic watch is anachronistic. I can get with that.

  • Reply 105 of 278
    mazda 3smazda 3s Posts: 1,613member
    foggyhill wrote: »
    And all those bands were of terrible quality, just horrible. Yeah, I remember.

    Oh yeah, just trying to remove them with your fingernails was torture. But we didn't know any better back then :)
  • Reply 106 of 278
    thomprthompr Posts: 1,521member
    techlover wrote: »
    While I don't dispute your logic that it's "time" (your pun not mine ;) ) for new ideas, new paradigms, functions, looks, etc. I do think that in 50 years, 100 years, people will still wear a classic wrist watch if it suits their fancy. If classic watches ever die, it will be a very long slow death.

    The idea that if it is worn on the wrist and happens to tell time in addition to dozens of other features then it should look like a classic watch is anachronistic. I can get with that.

    I don't think it must look like a classic wristwatch, but as a worn item I think it needs more variety, and round is one of the shapes Apple should include.
  • Reply 107 of 278
    robbyxrobbyx Posts: 479member
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    Right... "timeless" for god damn mechanical watches with  face... Which were like that for practical reason and also lazyness (it's cheaper to make a round watch).

     

    We don't read in circle, no matter what those idiots at Samsung and others think.

     

    I'm going to bet 99% of buyers of those "non dated"... pieces of crap watches will be male tech nerds... Such a big promissing crowd... Because they look like absolute metal turds.  Metal turds sell like... Well you get the idea.

     

    How on earth can the Apple Watch look dated when no one has EVER done something the same. What looks dated is those retro puke watches, which have all the charm of round metal hockey pucks.

     

    Want me to look at your previous posts to see what you said the day it was launched; bet you've been calling it dated from the first day.

     

    When those puke "high end" watches sell 1/10 of what the Apple Watch sells, they can be called a pseudo success, they've got a long way to go.




    Square watches have existed for a long time.  Apple didn't do anything new here.  They just made a square smart watch.

     

    I've tried on the Apple Watch.  I think it's no more or less ugly than any of the Android ones.  They are all too thick and that's the primary problem.  It also just looks kind of cheap to me.  Sorry, that's my opinion.  The rose gold is gorgeous.  Stunning.  But the rest are quite pedestrian in my eye.  

     

    I personally prefer a round watch face, as do most people.  People have had the option to buy square watches for centuries but round remains the preferred form factor for this fashion accessory.  It has nothing to do with the practical reasons.  You might be right about it being cheaper, though.  Hadn't considered that.  That said, I'll be very surprised if the Apple Watch brings about a square watch renaissance.

     

    If you look at my previous posts on this subject, you'll find my opinions remain largely unchanged.  I'm impressed by the tech, not the design.  I don't see a need for it personally.  I don't think the public is particularly interested in wearables.  I think it's a niche and don't believe it will be the next big thing on any level.  I believe it could be a decent little accessory business that pads the bottom line.  That pretty much sums it up.

  • Reply 108 of 278
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    While I don't dispute your logic that it's "time" (your pun not mine image ) for new ideas, new paradigms, functions, looks, etc. I do think that in 50 years, 100 years, people will still wear a classic wrist watch if it suits their fancy. If classic watches ever die, it will be a very long slow death.



    The idea that if it is worn on the wrist and happens to tell time in addition to dozens of other features then it should look like a classic watch is anachronistic. I can get with that.




    I don't think it must look like a classic wristwatch, but as a worn item I think it needs more variety, and round is one of the shapes Apple should include.


     

     

    @thompr I agree.

     

    Earlier in this thread I said I would like to see a round cell phone that doubles as a pocket watch.

     

    But there is a valid argument for the other way of thinking as well, that we need to move beyond shoehorning the old school paradigm into new technology.

     

    I think there is space for all of it. There is no right or wrong answer here in my opinion. The world is a big place and we all want what we want.

     

    Edit: forgot the quote

  • Reply 109 of 278
    robbyxrobbyx Posts: 479member
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    I don't think it must look like a classic wristwatch, but as a worn item I think it needs more variety, and round is one of the shapes Apple should include.



    I think they must include it.  And I think they will eventually.  People have had the option of buying watches in all shapes for centuries.  But they largely choose round.  The smart watch functions aren't going to be enough, in my opinion, to convince people that square is more desirable.  I think it will work the other way.  Either Apple adapts and offers a round design or someone else will create a more appealing product.  Many people insisted large screen phones were terrible, a fad, etc.  But Apple adapted and blew the doors off that quarter.

  • Reply 110 of 278
    robbyxrobbyx Posts: 479member
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    Additionally, my point was about timekeeping devices in general. The poster you addressed was the one that referred to the circular shape as being "timeless". There's nothing timeless about a circle when it comes to timekeeping devices. That's all I was saying.

     

    Are you serious?  We're talking about a FASHION ACCESSORY, not the history of time keeping.  Sure, I suppose you could interpret my use of the word "timeless" as including sundials, but really???????  Timeless, as in the FASHION context.  I can't believe that requires explanation.

  • Reply 111 of 278
    robbyxrobbyx Posts: 479member
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    While it's true that sundials have little to do with this discussion, you missed an opportunity. You see, even though sundials do not need to be circular (because the shadow generally makes a non-circular arc across the face of the dial) the ancients did choose to draw the face segments as circles (or semicircles) anyway. I don't know what sundials the previous poster has been looking at. Ironically, this means the previous poster proved the opposite of what he intended: somehow circles are seen as preferable even in settings where they are not needed. Even thousands of years ago.



    As someone said earlier (was it you?) circles and other closed curves are timeless. Infinite loops! New Apple campus! Gateway Arch! Crystal balls! (OK... now I'm going off the deep end!)



    Frankly I was so surprised by his silly reference to sundials that the opportunity escaped me.  And besides, it's obvious that he (or she?) doesn't value my opinion on anything since I'm not oooooooooooing and ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhing over the Apple Watch.  I was talking about watches, not the history of timekeeping.  He is obviously someone who needs to be right in a petty sort of way, so I suppose he can now gloat about schooling me on sundial shape.  When I used the word "timeless", however, I didn't think it required a disclaimer that I was using it in the context of fashion, i.e.: a "timeless look".  We are talking about a fashion accessory, after all.

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    I don't think it must look like a classic wristwatch, but as a worn item I think it needs more variety, and round is one of the shapes Apple should include.



    I think they must include it.  And I think they will eventually.  People have had the option of buying watches in all shapes for centuries.  But they largely choose round.  The smart watch functions aren't going to be enough, in my opinion, to convince people that square is more desirable.  I think it will work the other way.  Either Apple adapts and offers a round design or someone else will create a more appealing product.  Many people insisted large screen phones were terrible, a fad, etc.  But Apple adapted and blew the doors off that quarter.


    This ^^^

     

    I never understood all of the ridicule that larger phones received. Then Apple came out with larger phones and BOOM! they never looked back. Sales have been through the roof all over the globe.

     

    I am with you that its not a matter of if, but when Apple comes out with a round watch. To do otherwise is simply leaving money on the table in my opinion. 

     

    That being said, I think there is still a market for a small but powerful iPhone. I think a lot of people would buy an iPhone that has the same abilities as their latest flagship in the original iPhone footprint. 

  • Reply 113 of 278
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,898moderator
    larrya wrote: »
    Seriously, that's your defense? Two objects that came into existence long after round watches? Doesn't that reinforce the timelessness of the round watch face and the utter soullessness of an Apple Watch, which, incidentally matches the shape of the front of a CRT? How modern!

    I use a smartwatch, to do things, not just look at it but interact with it, scrolling though messages and other notifications, stock data, fitness data, etc. it's function is that of a small wrist worn computer, that provides a subset of a computer's functionality much more so than a superset of a watch's functionality. Form, as they say, should follow function. Apple gets that. How's that for a defense?
  • Reply 114 of 278
    robbyx wrote: »

    Then stop being rude.  I'm not allowed to express my opinion that I think the Watch is ugly?  That's rudeness in your book?  You got nasty and condescending with me.  I think my posts in this thread have all been pretty measured, but I'm not that impressed with the Watch.  Sorry.

    robbyx wrote: »

    Are you serious?  We're talking about a FASHION ACCESSORY, not the history of time keeping.  Sure, I suppose you could interpret my use of the word "timeless" as including sundials, but really???????  Timeless, as in the FASHION context.  I can't believe that requires explanation.

    robbyx wrote: »


    Frankly I was so surprised by his silly reference to sundials that the opportunity escaped me.  And besides, it's obvious that he (or she?) doesn't value my opinion on anything since I'm not oooooooooooing and ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhing over the Apple Watch.  I was talking about watches, not the history of timekeeping.  He is obviously someone who needs to be right in a petty sort of way, so I suppose he can now gloat about schooling me on sundial shape.  When I used the word "timeless", however, I didn't think it required a disclaimer that I was using it in the context of fashion, i.e.: a "timeless look".  We are talking about a fashion accessory, after all.

    Whoa. Get a grip.

    Alright, alright. You dislike the Watch. I like the Watch. Let's move on.... It's getting kind of boring.
  • Reply 115 of 278
    robbyxrobbyx Posts: 479member
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    Whoa. Get a grip.



    Alright, alright. You dislike the Watch. I like the Watch. Let's move on.... It's getting kind of boring.



    Ah yes, the classic duck out of it by labeling it boring...  Get a grip yourself.

  • Reply 116 of 278
    robbyxrobbyx Posts: 479member
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    This ^^^

     

    I never understood all of the ridicule that larger phones received. Then Apple came out with larger phones and BOOM! they never looked back. Sales have been through the roof all over the globe.

     

    I am with you that its not a matter of if, but when Apple comes out with a round watch. To do otherwise is simply leaving money on the table in my opinion. 

     

    That being said, I think there is still a market for a small but powerful iPhone. I think a lot of people would buy an iPhone that has the same abilities as their latest flagship in the original iPhone footprint. 




    I was not a fan of larger phones until I held the iPhone 6.  Apple cracked the door for Samsung by not making the iPhone 5 larger and Samsung found customers because of the screen size.  As soon as Apple made a larger iPhone, Samsung sales tanked.  The market spoke.  I think the same thing could happen in the smart watch space to an extent.  However, a third party smart watch will never be as well integrated as what Apple offers, so Apple has a built in advantage regardless of watch shape.  Still, if smartwatches do become a thing and other brands emerge and round remains preferred, Apple will have no choice but to adapt.

     

    I also agree on the smaller iPhone.  I think three screen sizes would be optimal.

  • Reply 117 of 278
    idreyidrey Posts: 647member
    thompr wrote: »
    Here's to a new era of watch! I am psyched about it. But that doesn't mean I'm wrong when I suggest they need a round one too. I don't care about the old mechanical watches. I would just prefer to wear a round shape. I have faith that Apple could overcome the legitimate arguments that have been made by others here.

    techlover wrote: »
    While I don't dispute your logic that it's "time" (your pun not mine ;) ) for new ideas, new paradigms, functions, looks, etc. I do think that in 50 years, 100 years, people will still wear a classic wrist watch if it suits their fancy. If classic watches ever die, it will be a very long slow death.

    The idea that if it is worn on the wrist and happens to tell time in addition to dozens of other features then it should look like a classic watch is anachronistic. I can get with that.

    I do not rule out a round ?Watch. If other round watches do well Apple most consider a round watch (if they are not working on it already). I am pretty sure Apple have a round prototype , if they are smart they studied all the possibilities. I actually like fact that the ?Watch is so different. It stands out, whether people think is nice looking or bad looking, but they know is an ?Watch
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    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,898moderator
    robbyx wrote: »

    I think making a round screen work for a smart watch is pretty innovative, given the obvious benefits of a square screen.  That said, I haven't used any of the Android watches, so I have no comment on the UI.  Maybe they suck.  I agree that the square shape is much better for displaying more information, but that doesn't preclude someone from coming up with an innovative way to make a smart watch UI work on a round screen.  After all, most people didn't think browsing the web would ever be a good experience on a cell phone...until the iPhone came along.

    Curious, is there some reason the taptic engine can't work in a round form factor?

    I haven't worn a watch in at least 15 years, but I do care about how something looks.  I never liked square watches back when I wore a watch and nothing has changed.  I think a lot of people here are just slamming anything that isn't Apple without being remotely honest in their critiques.  People complain about the Moto being too fat, flat tire, etc.  But have they looked at the Apple Watch?  It's a big, thick blob.  It's no better - or worse - looking than the Moto 360 in my opinion.  Both are kind of fat and bulky.

    You be the judge. It's gigantic and very thick. The Apple Watch is an elegant solution, the Moto, not so much.

    (This is my wrist with my Apple Watch, at a Best Buy comparing to the current generation Moto 360.)

    700
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    Groan. I was trying to make a graceful exit, that's all. But you insist.

     

    I have posted below excerpts from (almost) every one of your posts. The one that takes the cake? "I think my posts in this thread have all been pretty measured."<img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />

     

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    Round face is timeless. The Apple Watch's rounded corner chicklet form factor already feels dated to me. 

     

     

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    Were you trying to make a point?  If so, try a little harder next time.  ...  Round is classic and timeless.  Apple's Watch design is not.  ...


     

     

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    ... the Apple Watch .. design is weak.  It looks cheap and part of that is the square chicklet gum form factor.


     

     

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    Kool Aid drinkers are never particularly good at logic.


     

     

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    There's absolutely nothing innovative about the Apple Watch's form factor.  ... A square screen is obvious, and a bit lazy.  ... The screen is too small for meaningful work and a round watch is likely just as good at displaying notifications, etc. as a square screen.


     

     

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    I mean, what does the Apple Watch do?  It displays bits of data.  I don't see how the Apple Watch does a better job of this because the screen is square.  


     

     

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    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  That said, considering the vast majority of watches have been round forever...


     

     

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    I haven't worn a watch in at least 15 years...  But have they looked at the Apple Watch?  It's a big, thick blob. 


     

     

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    Don't eat crap and exercise.  Pretty easy.  But I get the appeal of these features for others.  That said, I still don't see why a square form factor is necessary to make any of these things work.


     

     

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    Don't put words in my mouth.  

     

     

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    ... you just sound like an idiot. 

     

     

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    I think you'll find the nasty little troll you're looking for there. You're pathetic.


     

     

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    You're one of the rudest people on this board. You never offer anything remotely close to a thoughtful commentary on anything. ....



    You're a nasty human being ...Again, who are you?????

     

     

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      I think my posts in this thread have all been pretty measured, but I'm not that impressed with the Watch.  Sorry.

     

     

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    He is obviously someone who needs to be right in a petty sort of way, so I suppose he can now gloat ....

     

     

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    Ah yes, the classic duck out of it by labeling it boring...  Get a grip yourself.


     

    Yikes. 

     

    OK. I'll get a grip.

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    robbyxrobbyx Posts: 479member
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    Yikes. OK.

     

    I'll get a grip.




    You sure have a lot of time on your hands.  I guess that's how you rack up 15K posts bashing others.

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