There is a important difference between Apple having the resources the make a quality product and the profit of Apple. Apple needs a healthy margin to finance its R&D. Once the R&D costs are subtracted from the margin, one gets the profit. Profit as such is not needed to make a quality products, but margin is.
Yes, I'd suggest that within the overall cashflow, profits signify that safety margin to allow for a reliable R&D investment strategy.
16GB. Meet the new iPhone 6s. <span style="line-height:1.4em;">It all all the storage YOU NEED, to hold up to FOUR movies, TWO HD videos, FIVE high definition photos, and THREE apps.</span>
Your friends with their entry level Samsung Galaxy S6's that have 32 GB standard memory will die with envy! Because YOU, like a capuchin monk have transcended the need to collect, own and store things. <span style="line-height:1.4em;">YOU have discovered the secret to happiness, by divesting yourself of all those apps, games, videos, pictures and other worldly stuff.</span>
Am I being sarcastic? Yeah. But Apple deserves some ridicule if they're offering a 16 GB phone in late 2015.
Edit: 6s. The s stands for "stingy on storage" lol
yup it is stupid. I've used 16GB model so far with around 100 apps, few GB of pictures and media while still have 2-3GB left. Pictures stored full frame on iCloud and optimized copies locally. Music is streamed. Oh, storing HD movies in a phone is more than just stupid. If people want to do that, spend $100 more for 64GB.
Hardly stupid. People will be forced to buy the mid-tier model, the average selling price of an iPhone will shoot up by 15%, the stock will skyrocket because of analyst reports of growth in a mature market, and Tim Cook will get his big bonus. See how it works?
Because having a cartel of wealthy, state-connected families who genuinely do nothing and simply collect the "taxes" from state-sponsored technology companies which repackage open source software inside knock-off cases for customers who only care about cheap is a better alternative?
One of the weaknesses of a touch interface over a mouse has always been that there was no equivalent of hover. This would get Force Touch devices that feature. Nifty!
Hover effects and/or features you can only discover by hovering the mouse cursor over various things has to be the single worst UI paradigm ever created. I hope it never comes to iOS where intuitiveness and discoverability are paramount.
As an app developer I buy every year a new iPhone. And because a few GB is more than enough to test my apps, my wallet is much happier with an iPhone with 16GB
Don't say that too loud to Rogifan, he is such an incredible power user
that 16GB isn't enough for the thousands of words he spends in complaint posts each day.
This is a guy who just screams 'productivity' and
only Google and Microsoft can offer him cloud options large enough
to handle the epic storage of all those whining rants.
Always interesting to watch consumers argue they should get less for their money. Only blind love for a company can justify that logic.
Oh yes, we're all blind sheeple, stupid fanboys and we shouldn't be allowed to make our own buying decisions nor place value on anything we own, unless it's been validated by an exclusive group of self-appointed haughty individuals who have declared themselves to be the only ones worthy of these special positions in life. We bow in their presence, in a show of utter reverence, please enlighten us.
Already dead to me: I've never bought the low storage end iPhones due to my music library and experience with iPods.
Yay me.
Now can we get back to complaining about no removable storage and no removable battery. And how about it's entire lack of usability as a dive computer?
Always interesting to watch consumers argue they should get less for their money. Only blind love for a company can justify that logic.
Ah but they're perfectly happy getting 64 for the price of 32. Getting more for less is OK then. Just for some reason it's not at the low end. I know why it's not for Apple ($$$). But I don't know why consumers would defend it.
Ah but they're perfectly happy getting 64 for the price of 32. Getting more for less is OK then. Just for some reason it's not at the low end. I know why it's not for Apple ($$$). But I don't know why consumers would defend it.
I think it's more a case of being sick of hearing complaints like this over and over. It's a perfectly suited for MacRumors, but I stopped going there because of the attitudes that accompany such whinging. Look at the thread here, people who disagree are being labelled fanboys, and that's never a good sign.
Ah but they're perfectly happy getting 64 for the price of 32. Getting more for less is OK then. Just for some reason it's not at the low end. I know why it's not for Apple ($$$). But I don't know why consumers would defend it.
The increase in the quality of the camera and the level of videos the phone can take is enough to justify 16GB is simply not enough unless it's for a ten year old and it's his first iPhone.
Oh yes, we're all blind sheeple, stupid fanboys and we shouldn't be allowed to make our own buying decisions nor place value on anything we own, unless it's been validated by an exclusive group of self-appointed haughty individuals who have declared themselves to be the only ones worthy of these special positions in life. We bow in their presence, in a show of utter reverence, please enlighten us.
I think it's more a case of being sick of hearing complaints like this over and over. It's a perfectly suited for MacRumors, but I stopped going there because of the attitudes that accompany such whinging. Look at the thread here, people who disagree are being labelled fanboys, and that's never a good sign.
Kind of like being sick of hearing people justify why it's okay over and over. Just like people will argue to their dying breath 1GB of Ram is okay until Apple decides to give 2GB of Ram then and only then will they agree 1GB isn't enough. For some nothing is every a good idea unless Apple deems it's a good idea. Better camera quality, higher quality videos, larger games, larger apps have all made 16GB simple not enough for anyone that really wants to use their phone. For a 10 year old kid yeah maybe.
It's all about profits, Tim Cook is very good at growing profits for Apple. If only he could share some of that back to the stock holders who maybe unhappy the stock is going nowhere lately.
It would smart for Apple to double the space for the entry priced model. Which I believe iPhone 7 they will make 32/64/128GB only since most Android devices already starts at 32GB these days it's only natural for Apple to match features when competition arises.
Kind of like being sick of hearing people justify why it's okay over and over. Just like people will argue to their dying breath 1GB of Ram is okay until Apple decides to give 2GB of Ram then and only then will they agree 1GB isn't enough. For some nothing is every a good idea unless Apple deems it's a good idea. Better camera quality, higher quality videos, larger games, larger apps have all made 16GB simple not enough for anyone that really wants to use their phone. For a 10 year old kid yeah maybe.
I get it, anyone who disagrees with you is a fanboy. When you can't adequately defend your position, throw a label at your opponent so at least your mirror reflects something stronger.
I think it's more a case of being sick of hearing complaints like this over and over. It's a perfectly suited for MacRumors, but I stopped going there because of the attitudes that accompany such whinging. Look at the thread here, people who disagree are being labelled fanboys, and that's never a good sign.
I don't agree with name calling. But perhaps then you'll also call out those who claim anyone who doesn't just cough up $100 more for 64GB is "cheap". Perhaps you can explain why people here are perfectly fine with Apple giving us 64 for the price of 32 but 32 for the price of 16 is sacrilege. Of course I know why Apple doesn't do it; 32 is the sweet spot and it would be harder to upsell people to more expensive models and thus harder to increase ASPs and margins. But most people here aren't arguing that point, they're arguing that 16 is good enough and if it's not don't be a cheap bastard and just upgrade.
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There is a important difference between Apple having the resources the make a quality product and the profit of Apple. Apple needs a healthy margin to finance its R&D. Once the R&D costs are subtracted from the margin, one gets the profit. Profit as such is not needed to make a quality products, but margin is.
Yes, I'd suggest that within the overall cashflow, profits signify that safety margin to allow for a reliable R&D investment strategy.
Apple isn't catering to the "light use market". Apple is being cheap in my personal opinion.
It would cost them next to nothing to offer 32 GB standard.
It's a minimal additional expense for Apple that barely touches their profit margin. There's no excuse for 16 except wanting you to pay more.
Hardly stupid. People will be forced to buy the mid-tier model, the average selling price of an iPhone will shoot up by 15%, the stock will skyrocket because of analyst reports of growth in a mature market, and Tim Cook will get his big bonus. See how it works?
Because having a cartel of wealthy, state-connected families who genuinely do nothing and simply collect the "taxes" from state-sponsored technology companies which repackage open source software inside knock-off cases for customers who only care about cheap is a better alternative?
One of the weaknesses of a touch interface over a mouse has always been that there was no equivalent of hover. This would get Force Touch devices that feature. Nifty!
Hover effects and/or features you can only discover by hovering the mouse cursor over various things has to be the single worst UI paradigm ever created. I hope it never comes to iOS where intuitiveness and discoverability are paramount.
Don't say that too loud to Rogifan, he is such an incredible power user
that 16GB isn't enough for the thousands of words he spends in complaint posts each day.
This is a guy who just screams 'productivity' and
only Google and Microsoft can offer him cloud options large enough
to handle the epic storage of all those whining rants.
:smokey:
Always interesting to watch consumers argue they should get less for their money. Only blind love for a company can justify that logic.
Always interesting to watch consumers argue they should get less for their money. Only blind love for a company can justify that logic.
Oh yes, we're all blind sheeple, stupid fanboys and we shouldn't be allowed to make our own buying decisions nor place value on anything we own, unless it's been validated by an exclusive group of self-appointed haughty individuals who have declared themselves to be the only ones worthy of these special positions in life. We bow in their presence, in a show of utter reverence, please enlighten us.
http://mashable.com/2015/09/08/16gb-iphone-must-die/
Yes yes yes
http://mashable.com/2015/09/08/16gb-iphone-must-die/
Already dead to me: I've never bought the low storage end iPhones due to my music library and experience with iPods.
Yay me.
Now can we get back to complaining about no removable storage and no removable battery. And how about it's entire lack of usability as a dive computer?
Ah but they're perfectly happy getting 64 for the price of 32. Getting more for less is OK then. Just for some reason it's not at the low end. I know why it's not for Apple ($$$). But I don't know why consumers would defend it.
Ah but they're perfectly happy getting 64 for the price of 32. Getting more for less is OK then. Just for some reason it's not at the low end. I know why it's not for Apple ($$$). But I don't know why consumers would defend it.
I think it's more a case of being sick of hearing complaints like this over and over. It's a perfectly suited for MacRumors, but I stopped going there because of the attitudes that accompany such whinging. Look at the thread here, people who disagree are being labelled fanboys, and that's never a good sign.
Ah but they're perfectly happy getting 64 for the price of 32. Getting more for less is OK then. Just for some reason it's not at the low end. I know why it's not for Apple ($$$). But I don't know why consumers would defend it.
The increase in the quality of the camera and the level of videos the phone can take is enough to justify 16GB is simply not enough unless it's for a ten year old and it's his first iPhone.
Oh yes, we're all blind sheeple, stupid fanboys and we shouldn't be allowed to make our own buying decisions nor place value on anything we own, unless it's been validated by an exclusive group of self-appointed haughty individuals who have declared themselves to be the only ones worthy of these special positions in life. We bow in their presence, in a show of utter reverence, please enlighten us.
Your words not mine I won't disagree with you.
Your words not mine I won't disagree with you.
I think it's more a case of being sick of hearing complaints like this over and over. It's a perfectly suited for MacRumors, but I stopped going there because of the attitudes that accompany such whinging. Look at the thread here, people who disagree are being labelled fanboys, and that's never a good sign.
Kind of like being sick of hearing people justify why it's okay over and over. Just like people will argue to their dying breath 1GB of Ram is okay until Apple decides to give 2GB of Ram then and only then will they agree 1GB isn't enough. For some nothing is every a good idea unless Apple deems it's a good idea. Better camera quality, higher quality videos, larger games, larger apps have all made 16GB simple not enough for anyone that really wants to use their phone. For a 10 year old kid yeah maybe.
It's all about profits, Tim Cook is very good at growing profits for Apple. If only he could share some of that back to the stock holders who maybe unhappy the stock is going nowhere lately.
It would smart for Apple to double the space for the entry priced model. Which I believe iPhone 7 they will make 32/64/128GB only since most Android devices already starts at 32GB these days it's only natural for Apple to match features when competition arises.
Kind of like being sick of hearing people justify why it's okay over and over. Just like people will argue to their dying breath 1GB of Ram is okay until Apple decides to give 2GB of Ram then and only then will they agree 1GB isn't enough. For some nothing is every a good idea unless Apple deems it's a good idea. Better camera quality, higher quality videos, larger games, larger apps have all made 16GB simple not enough for anyone that really wants to use their phone. For a 10 year old kid yeah maybe.
I get it, anyone who disagrees with you is a fanboy. When you can't adequately defend your position, throw a label at your opponent so at least your mirror reflects something stronger.
http://thunderztech.com/leaked-images-of-iphone-6s-box-showing-animated-backgrounds/
I don't agree with name calling. But perhaps then you'll also call out those who claim anyone who doesn't just cough up $100 more for 64GB is "cheap". Perhaps you can explain why people here are perfectly fine with Apple giving us 64 for the price of 32 but 32 for the price of 16 is sacrilege. Of course I know why Apple doesn't do it; 32 is the sweet spot and it would be harder to upsell people to more expensive models and thus harder to increase ASPs and margins. But most people here aren't arguing that point, they're arguing that 16 is good enough and if it's not don't be a cheap bastard and just upgrade.