Streaming, schmeaming; What about a small setup for editing and then outputting to a real-world environment?
And you think this $150 Apple TV should facilitate that?
If it was an inexpensive addition then there would be little reason not to add gigabit support - they added 802.11ac support. The ethernet controller they used in the last model was the following at $2.98 per controller:
There's a gigabit one for $3.80. There's more than just the controller chip to consider of course and on Amazon, gigabit routers seem to be $20-30 more expensive than 100Mbit models, although gigabit switches can be bought for ~$17. Apple has a $100 difference between their 100Mbit router and gigabit model:
It might be possible for them to merge the middle one and ?TV together one day (with the ?TV dimensions) or just have it as an additional model, which would help uptake of the TV features. People would buy it as a wireless router/repeater and get the media capability and apps on top. This would need 2 gigabit ports minimum. Having a full OS and storage allows it to act as a media server. USB C could allow storage attachment. This would allow people who were mobile with devices to access local content (assuming their home upload speed was fast enough). Add a VPN server and you have your own private high-speed VPN to be able to connect to your home internet when using public wifi. This would be password-free as it would setup device keys by proximity in the house and iCloud would keep track of the public IP. If you went abroad, your mobile devices would stream local TV shows just as though you were at home, no geolocation barriers and no blocks logging into email if servers detect unusual logins from a different country.
The ?TV has limited format support so it likely wouldn't support higher bitrate playback over gigabit anyway. 3rd party apps might and something like 4K ProRes could top 100Mbps so if you had shot a video, even 4K on the iPhone, edited it in FCPX, being able to view them directly on the TV without having to do another encoding to H.264 would be quicker. This won't likely apply to many people and if time isn't a factor then putting out a 1080p H.264 file to stream would be the route to go.
I doubt the component cost of gigabit is all that high, certainly not the $100 in the Airport models, but even a $5 added cost if you have net margins of $30 would make a manufacturer think twice about adding it, especially if it's not going to be an immediate selling point. Mobile devices demonstrate how little ethernet is used. There's probably over 1.5 billion active devices out there with no ethernet ports.
Maybe when storage costs go down a bit, it will leave room to add gigabit ethernet and at the same time they can turn it into a wireless router.
You really don't seem to get it at all do you?!?!?! Look, I have 4 Xbox 360's, a Xbox One, a PS3 and a Wii, and I think I do more gaming on my iPad!!! The Fire TV and the OUYA doesn't even remotely compare to Apple's iOS App Eco System!!! Game Consoles are generally for Hard core gamer's. I can tell you right now, there's far, far, far more Casual gamer's out there then Hard core gamer's. All then game's being played on Smartphones and Tablets, that casual gaming at that blows away gaming being done on consoles. The number of Smartphones alone in the market to Game consoles isn't even remotely close.
How many would like to continue a game their playing on their Smartphone onto the AppleTV? Maybe it's a All in one game that works on the iPhone, iPad and AppleTV. One LOW price works on 3 systems. I have fun on these simpler games. Sometimes having a bunch of buttons is just to much. Sometimes I miss the days of the Atari 2600. A basic stick and a single button.
The Apple TV is NOT competing against a High end game Console and it has no need to. Apple is not trying to get into that market where you sell at a loss and make up for it with game sales. Apple makes a PROFIT on the hardware right off the bat, like Nintendo, and takes their 30% cut for any game sales. Instead of paying $60+ for Xbox or Playstaion games, 99 Cents, to maybe $9.99. Sounds like a winner to me. Trying to compare Apple's Eco system to that of a Fire TV, OUYA, or even a ROKU which yes has some games and a motion controller, is just laughable.
Exactly, though I'm firmly entrenched with Nvidia's TV set-box the Shield, I still get your point. I really like the casual aspect that these mobile gaming apps bring. A lot of these games are actually pretty fantastic. Take the FPS shooter series Modern Combat, the 5th iteration even brings online multi-player, like Blitz Tank, super cool. The Shield even goes a little further than most by releasing, older, but still tons of fun, PC titles converted specifically for the Shield TV like; Doom 3, Portal, Half-Life 2 and Crysis 3. Even if these, in which their are now quite a few with even more being released monthly, aren't enough, I just fire up my son's gaming PC, which turns on automatically when the Shield pings the internal ethernet in the PC, than just stream those games like GTA V, Titan, Far Cry series to the Shield. Which actually works quite well, especially with a gigabit line connecting the two machines together in which the Shield supports as every premium device should. Than of course using the included Nvidia game controller or one of my son's Xbox One controllers when playing titles like Titan as it's optimized for it. Which is one of the many reasons why I wouldn't want an Apple TV, just my personal needs, in no way am I saying that the Apple TV isn't good.
Anyway, peripherals, lot's of them, like the, Logitec Revue mini keyboard with built in trackpad (an absolute must for surfing the Web, writing emails, responding in forums, logging into PC games for multiplayer, etc, Logitec's Conference Cam (best Web cam ever made, period, expensive but worth every penny if you use video conferencing a lot like I do) but you can use pretty much any ol'e web-cam, different types of controllers like for example I have a controller that looks exactly like the one that came with the Nintendo 64, Sega Genesis and Nintendo SNES, Playstation 2 to be used with those wonderful emulators. Now I could have easily get by using a regular controller for the Sega and Nintendo NES emulators but you really do need a replica Nintendo 64 controller if you want to play those games, it just makes all the difference in the world. 4k support, not just streaming 4k content but the system UI can also be displayed in 4k, which makes a big difference when your TV is, well, 4K, super duper crisp and just a pleasure to look at, especially when compared to 1080p, which is a little on the fuzzy side but that's normal for any LCD when the input isn't displayed at the native resolution of the output. Lastly, an external hard-drive, yes, I also have a NAS system in which the Shield and all the apps installed can easily access data from but I still prefer having a hard-drive connected directly for when when I travel. Basically the connected hard-drive is a perfect sync between my NAS system and cloud storage in which I have over 700 movies stored. I'll eventually just take out the 500GB drive that it's the Shield and update it to one of those new 3TB Toshiba drives, thus negating the need for an external drive. Right now I'm using a 4TB Lacie CloudBox, their really great and cheap, only paid 160 bucks for it. It's also a NAS drive, actually it's pretty much a little server.
Though I don't think Apple will ever go that far in their gaming ambitions by providing PC game streaming, it really won't matter though as the shear number of Apple TV games that will follow it's release will be more than enough to make the most staunch gamer happy. Between my kids and myself, we have over 50, controller supported games installed, 3/4 of which are Nvidia optimized (which really makes a difference, like Metal does for iOS), this is of course out of the 100's of titles available so I can only imagine the number of iOS games. Though the really good ones will probably also be in the double digits but still, more than enough.
I think the new Apple TV is a really good update to the older one, I'll probably never get one as it doesn't support those features that I'm interested in but for the average consumer, it's perfect.
Oh, now that the Apple TV will force all developer's to use 1080p, 16:9 for their apps, someone could probably use an Apple TV as a mini computer. Granted they'll have to jail-break it first to add things like mouse support and changing the desktop UI DPI to something smaller as the current view is kind of huge. I did it for my son's Shield TV, changed the DPI to reflect that of a normal desktop UI, used a simple app called Second Display to do so. Installed a great launcher called Andromium OS, that basically turns the UI into a desktop OS, puts apps into windows, adds a menu bar at the bottom, really cool. Installed the Epson printing app so he could print from his little desktop printer. Installed all the usual productivity apps, MS Office (which is really great, no need for the full version as it does everything a kid could possibly need for school), OneNote, etc. He was off to the races, it really makes for a great little computer, including powerful gaming, 50x times better than buying one of those mini Windows PC's. It worked so well that it caught the attention of a few of my friends, so I made up a few more for them and their kids.
My daughter wants the new Apple TV because besides her HP ChromeBook 11 and new Asus Flip ChromeBook (which you guy have got to try, it's friggen awesome, got one myself, yippie for flippie) she's an all Apple girl, so before I give it to her for Christmas I will definitely try to emulate what I did with the Shield. Hopefully someone will figure out how to install the normal iOS 9 desktop onto it, than it would definitely be a great little desktop PC. Yaaay something new to hack, can't wait, I'll let you guys know of my progress and if it indeed works on some level I'll post a how to.
Do we know if the new AppleTV will allow video streaming from our iphones without WiFi? I want to stream Netflix while away from the dock on my boat. This would be a game changer for me!
Do we know if the new AppleTV will allow video streaming from our iphones without WiFi? I want to stream Netflix while away from the dock on my boat. This would be a game changer for me!
:???: Stream Netflix FROM your iPhone? Netflix is streamed from Netflix's servers. You can stream them TO the Apple TV, iPhone, and many other devices simply by downloading the app and logging in. If you're on a boat, without WiFi, you'll need a cellular data connection with your iPhone, which could get costly.
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Streaming, schmeaming; What about a small setup for editing and then outputting to a real-world environment?
Streaming, schmeaming; What about a small setup for editing and then outputting to a real-world environment?
And you think this $150 Apple TV should facilitate that?
If it was an inexpensive addition then there would be little reason not to add gigabit support - they added 802.11ac support. The ethernet controller they used in the last model was the following at $2.98 per controller:
http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/Devices.aspx?product=LAN9730
There's a gigabit one for $3.80. There's more than just the controller chip to consider of course and on Amazon, gigabit routers seem to be $20-30 more expensive than 100Mbit models, although gigabit switches can be bought for ~$17. Apple has a $100 difference between their 100Mbit router and gigabit model:
http://www.apple.com/compare-wifi-models/
It might be possible for them to merge the middle one and ?TV together one day (with the ?TV dimensions) or just have it as an additional model, which would help uptake of the TV features. People would buy it as a wireless router/repeater and get the media capability and apps on top. This would need 2 gigabit ports minimum. Having a full OS and storage allows it to act as a media server. USB C could allow storage attachment. This would allow people who were mobile with devices to access local content (assuming their home upload speed was fast enough). Add a VPN server and you have your own private high-speed VPN to be able to connect to your home internet when using public wifi. This would be password-free as it would setup device keys by proximity in the house and iCloud would keep track of the public IP. If you went abroad, your mobile devices would stream local TV shows just as though you were at home, no geolocation barriers and no blocks logging into email if servers detect unusual logins from a different country.
The ?TV has limited format support so it likely wouldn't support higher bitrate playback over gigabit anyway. 3rd party apps might and something like 4K ProRes could top 100Mbps so if you had shot a video, even 4K on the iPhone, edited it in FCPX, being able to view them directly on the TV without having to do another encoding to H.264 would be quicker. This won't likely apply to many people and if time isn't a factor then putting out a 1080p H.264 file to stream would be the route to go.
I doubt the component cost of gigabit is all that high, certainly not the $100 in the Airport models, but even a $5 added cost if you have net margins of $30 would make a manufacturer think twice about adding it, especially if it's not going to be an immediate selling point. Mobile devices demonstrate how little ethernet is used. There's probably over 1.5 billion active devices out there with no ethernet ports.
Maybe when storage costs go down a bit, it will leave room to add gigabit ethernet and at the same time they can turn it into a wireless router.
And you really think uncompressed AIFF, WAV, and TIFF are going exceed your 100Mibps Ethernet link? :???:
Exactly, though I'm firmly entrenched with Nvidia's TV set-box the Shield, I still get your point. I really like the casual aspect that these mobile gaming apps bring. A lot of these games are actually pretty fantastic. Take the FPS shooter series Modern Combat, the 5th iteration even brings online multi-player, like Blitz Tank, super cool. The Shield even goes a little further than most by releasing, older, but still tons of fun, PC titles converted specifically for the Shield TV like; Doom 3, Portal, Half-Life 2 and Crysis 3. Even if these, in which their are now quite a few with even more being released monthly, aren't enough, I just fire up my son's gaming PC, which turns on automatically when the Shield pings the internal ethernet in the PC, than just stream those games like GTA V, Titan, Far Cry series to the Shield. Which actually works quite well, especially with a gigabit line connecting the two machines together in which the Shield supports as every premium device should. Than of course using the included Nvidia game controller or one of my son's Xbox One controllers when playing titles like Titan as it's optimized for it. Which is one of the many reasons why I wouldn't want an Apple TV, just my personal needs, in no way am I saying that the Apple TV isn't good.
Anyway, peripherals, lot's of them, like the, Logitec Revue mini keyboard with built in trackpad (an absolute must for surfing the Web, writing emails, responding in forums, logging into PC games for multiplayer, etc, Logitec's Conference Cam (best Web cam ever made, period, expensive but worth every penny if you use video conferencing a lot like I do) but you can use pretty much any ol'e web-cam, different types of controllers like for example I have a controller that looks exactly like the one that came with the Nintendo 64, Sega Genesis and Nintendo SNES, Playstation 2 to be used with those wonderful emulators. Now I could have easily get by using a regular controller for the Sega and Nintendo NES emulators but you really do need a replica Nintendo 64 controller if you want to play those games, it just makes all the difference in the world. 4k support, not just streaming 4k content but the system UI can also be displayed in 4k, which makes a big difference when your TV is, well, 4K, super duper crisp and just a pleasure to look at, especially when compared to 1080p, which is a little on the fuzzy side but that's normal for any LCD when the input isn't displayed at the native resolution of the output. Lastly, an external hard-drive, yes, I also have a NAS system in which the Shield and all the apps installed can easily access data from but I still prefer having a hard-drive connected directly for when when I travel. Basically the connected hard-drive is a perfect sync between my NAS system and cloud storage in which I have over 700 movies stored. I'll eventually just take out the 500GB drive that it's the Shield and update it to one of those new 3TB Toshiba drives, thus negating the need for an external drive. Right now I'm using a 4TB Lacie CloudBox, their really great and cheap, only paid 160 bucks for it. It's also a NAS drive, actually it's pretty much a little server.
Though I don't think Apple will ever go that far in their gaming ambitions by providing PC game streaming, it really won't matter though as the shear number of Apple TV games that will follow it's release will be more than enough to make the most staunch gamer happy. Between my kids and myself, we have over 50, controller supported games installed, 3/4 of which are Nvidia optimized (which really makes a difference, like Metal does for iOS), this is of course out of the 100's of titles available so I can only imagine the number of iOS games. Though the really good ones will probably also be in the double digits but still, more than enough.
I think the new Apple TV is a really good update to the older one, I'll probably never get one as it doesn't support those features that I'm interested in but for the average consumer, it's perfect.
Oh, now that the Apple TV will force all developer's to use 1080p, 16:9 for their apps, someone could probably use an Apple TV as a mini computer. Granted they'll have to jail-break it first to add things like mouse support and changing the desktop UI DPI to something smaller as the current view is kind of huge. I did it for my son's Shield TV, changed the DPI to reflect that of a normal desktop UI, used a simple app called Second Display to do so. Installed a great launcher called Andromium OS, that basically turns the UI into a desktop OS, puts apps into windows, adds a menu bar at the bottom, really cool. Installed the Epson printing app so he could print from his little desktop printer. Installed all the usual productivity apps, MS Office (which is really great, no need for the full version as it does everything a kid could possibly need for school), OneNote, etc. He was off to the races, it really makes for a great little computer, including powerful gaming, 50x times better than buying one of those mini Windows PC's. It worked so well that it caught the attention of a few of my friends, so I made up a few more for them and their kids.
My daughter wants the new Apple TV because besides her HP ChromeBook 11 and new Asus Flip ChromeBook (which you guy have got to try, it's friggen awesome, got one myself, yippie for flippie) she's an all Apple girl, so before I give it to her for Christmas I will definitely try to emulate what I did with the Shield. Hopefully someone will figure out how to install the normal iOS 9 desktop onto it, than it would definitely be a great little desktop PC. Yaaay something new to hack, can't wait, I'll let you guys know of my progress and if it indeed works on some level I'll post a how to.
:???: Stream Netflix FROM your iPhone? Netflix is streamed from Netflix's servers. You can stream them TO the Apple TV, iPhone, and many other devices simply by downloading the app and logging in. If you're on a boat, without WiFi, you'll need a cellular data connection with your iPhone, which could get costly.