So what is so special that Apple wants to achieve in automotive industry that all car makers do not know yet?
You know if your life is 20 miles away from office (and you live for the job and groceries you ned to buy) then perhaps you should buy yourself some electric toy. If your life horizons are wider than that then think twice.
For the record, BMW had much more superior solution based on older technology yet way cleaner - hydrogen cars. The best and cheapest way to store energy that can be transported just like traditional fuels.
Electric can be to go if it has better (longer) storage more capacity (hundreds of miles) and it can be coming from more reasonable sources than power outlet at some designated point only charging for long hours.
Again someone who clearly doesn't understand what "hydrogen" cars means. Hydrogen cars are electric. Their source of energy comes from a fuel cell instead of a battery. Tesla could easily swap out their batteries for a fuel cell (through a little engineering), if it turned out that hydrogen stations showed up all over the country (world?) in a very short time...which we all know is not going to happen. Besides, it's a really inefficient way of storing energy, as half of the energy is going to waste with current methods of splitting water into oxygen and hydrogen. The idea is nice though, but until we get a more efficient way of producing hydrogen, then it has no place in this world, as the sales-point for electric vehicles for the near future, will be how efficient and environmentally friendly the cars/technology powering them, are. And as it stands, you can not easily produce your own hydrogen in your own garage, and I'm not sure how safe that would be if you did try to approach that method.
Which is why I mentioned the lack of Tesla compatible chargers where I live. There is no network of superchargers. How do I travel beyond the range of the car then? Tow a trailer with a generator strapped to it? Seriously not cool.
Compatible? There are several ad-on plugs for Tesla's included cable. Those have to be very special chargers then...ah well, maybe that's the case in America...you can't figure out standards or agreeing on something the rest of the world has no problem with e.g. metric vs. imperial systems...
You travel beyond the cars' range by charging it via electric current which exists almost anywhere/everywhere in the world...where do you actually live? (Edit: London/England I can Google myself to; same applies to you and the metric system though... :P )
As I don't line in the US but in Europe I see far more Beemers and Audi's + Porche's than any US built vehicle.
How many wrapped round trees?
Well, in the past week I've seen an Audi R8 upside down in a field. It didn't make it round a sharp bend. Note, we have bends on our roads here.
The local scrap yard has several 2012/13/14 911's and a couple of M5's all written off.
(I scrapped my old Volvo last week and took it to the yard so that's how I know the above}
And yesterday I saw a very badly damaged Bright Green Lambo on the back of a truck.
Some people just can't handle the power. I'll put my hands up on that. I used to own a Yamaha R1. Great on the track but.... frigging lethal on the road.
Again someone who clearly doesn't understand what "hydrogen" cars means. Hydrogen cars are electric. Their source of energy comes from a fuel cell instead of a battery. Tesla could easily swap out their batteries for a fuel cell (through a little engineering), if it turned out that hydrogen stations showed up all over the country (world?) in a very short time...which we all know is not going to happen. Besides, it's a really inefficient way of storing energy, as half of the energy is going to waste with current methods of splitting water into oxygen and hydrogen. The idea is nice though, but until we get a more efficient way of producing hydrogen, then it has no place in this world, as the sales-point for electric vehicles for the near future, will be how efficient and environmentally friendly the cars/technology powering them, are. And as it stands, you can not easily produce your own hydrogen in your own garage, and I'm not sure how safe that would be if you did try to approach that method.
I think he might be talking about these experiment(s):
Tesla has no future. Once battery technology improves they will be steamrolled by BMW, Mercedes, Toyota and GM. Tesla has no technology that others can't duplicate with ease. And the other manufacturers have an order of magnitude more experience with manufacturing cars in production quantities.
lol - the incumbents have a whole host of inertia working against them. Dealer networks being the biggest nut they are going to have a hell of a time divesting themselves of eventually.
And manufacturing today's cars in production quantity is a big deal because they are so very complex. Electric cars are dramatically simpler, with far fewer moving parts and no need for complex things like engines, transmissions, differentials, etc.
If anything I think traditional companies are going to have a harder time adapting to electrics than outsiders coming in. Very little in how cars are made today is required for successful electric cars.
If your thesis was valid Blackberry would have been able to recover and overtake Apple with the iPhone. Ha! With things like 3D printing, I think the possibilities for new entrants will only be limited by the amount of regulations and red tape the incumbents and their sycophants (like dealers) can throttle them with
Tesla has no future. Once battery technology improves they will be steamrolled by BMW, Mercedes, Toyota and GM. Tesla has no technology that others can't duplicate with ease. And the other manufacturers have an order of magnitude more experience with manufacturing cars in production quantities.
lol - the incumbents have a whole host of inertia working against them. Dealer networks being the biggest nut they are going to have a hell of a time divesting themselves of eventually.
And manufacturing today's cars in production quantity is a big deal because they are so very complex. Electric cars are dramatically simpler, with far fewer moving parts and no need for complex things like engines, transmissions, differentials, etc.
If anything I think traditional companies are going to have a harder time adapting to electrics than outsiders coming in. Very little in how cars are made today is required for successful electric cars.
If your thesis was valid Blackberry would have been able to recover and overtake Apple with the iPhone. Ha! With things like 3D printing, I think the possibilities for new entrants will only be limited by the amount of regulations and red tape the incumbents and their sycophants (like dealers) can throttle them with
It's the lack of dealers and local major maintenance which holds me back from buying the Tesla, even if I wanted to pay the huge price for an urban use car.
I do feel Tesla has a very good electric car, but I couldn't even confirm I liked it's inside design because at our auto show the Tesla and other electric cars were locked. They were just to look at !
I assume getting inside one is when you purchase it via mail-order and accept delivery from UPS.
It's the lack of dealers and local major maintenance which holds me back from buying the Tesla, even if I wanted to pay the huge price for an urban use car.
I do feel Tesla has a very good electric car, but I couldn't even confirm I liked it's inside design because at our auto show the Tesla and other electric cars were locked. They were just to look at !
I'm fortunate to be in a big enough city that we have a Tesla showroom and you can do a test drive, but I can see how in some area's it could be an issue.
However even for a $40,000 purchase I've taken roadtrips from Las Vegas "down the hill" to SoCal to look over new models that weren't up in Vegas yet when I lived there. I guess it just depends on how interested you are.
It's the lack of dealers and local major maintenance which holds me back from buying the Tesla, even if I wanted to pay the huge price for an urban use car.
I do feel Tesla has a very good electric car, but I couldn't even confirm I liked it's inside design because at our auto show the Tesla and other electric cars were locked. They were just to look at !
I'm fortunate to be in a big enough city that we have a Tesla showroom and you can do a test drive, but I can see how in some area's it could be an issue.
However even for a $40,000 purchase I've taken roadtrips from Las Vegas "down the hill" to SoCal to look over new models that weren't up in Vegas yet when I lived there. I guess it just depends on how interested you are.
I'm very interested in any car which is practical and meets my mid priced requirements. BTW I am a car buff person.
The Tesla doesn't meet my requirements, but I appreciate it's attractiveness for a unique car collector.
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You can blame the unions for that. They've blocked Tesla in most states. Apple isn't going to be able to magically change that all of a sudden.
Not the unions. The owners of car dealerships.
So what is so special that Apple wants to achieve in automotive industry that all car makers do not know yet?
You know if your life is 20 miles away from office (and you live for the job and groceries you ned to buy) then perhaps you should buy yourself some electric toy. If your life horizons are wider than that then think twice.
For the record, BMW had much more superior solution based on older technology yet way cleaner - hydrogen cars. The best and cheapest way to store energy that can be transported just like traditional fuels.
Electric can be to go if it has better (longer) storage more capacity (hundreds of miles) and it can be coming from more reasonable sources than power outlet at some designated point only charging for long hours.
Again someone who clearly doesn't understand what "hydrogen" cars means. Hydrogen cars are electric. Their source of energy comes from a fuel cell instead of a battery. Tesla could easily swap out their batteries for a fuel cell (through a little engineering), if it turned out that hydrogen stations showed up all over the country (world?) in a very short time...which we all know is not going to happen. Besides, it's a really inefficient way of storing energy, as half of the energy is going to waste with current methods of splitting water into oxygen and hydrogen. The idea is nice though, but until we get a more efficient way of producing hydrogen, then it has no place in this world, as the sales-point for electric vehicles for the near future, will be how efficient and environmentally friendly the cars/technology powering them, are. And as it stands, you can not easily produce your own hydrogen in your own garage, and I'm not sure how safe that would be if you did try to approach that method.
Which is why I mentioned the lack of Tesla compatible chargers where I live. There is no network of superchargers. How do I travel beyond the range of the car then? Tow a trailer with a generator strapped to it? Seriously not cool.
Compatible? There are several ad-on plugs for Tesla's included cable. Those have to be very special chargers then...ah well, maybe that's the case in America...you can't figure out standards or agreeing on something the rest of the world has no problem with e.g. metric vs. imperial systems...
You travel beyond the cars' range by charging it via electric current which exists almost anywhere/everywhere in the world...where do you actually live? (Edit: London/England I can Google myself to; same applies to you and the metric system though... :P )
http://www.teslamotors.com/en_GB/models-charging#/basics
As I don't line in the US but in Europe I see far more Beemers and Audi's + Porche's than any US built vehicle.
How many wrapped round trees?
Well, in the past week I've seen an Audi R8 upside down in a field. It didn't make it round a sharp bend. Note, we have bends on our roads here.
The local scrap yard has several 2012/13/14 911's and a couple of M5's all written off.
(I scrapped my old Volvo last week and took it to the yard so that's how I know the above}
And yesterday I saw a very badly damaged Bright Green Lambo on the back of a truck.
Some people just can't handle the power. I'll put my hands up on that. I used to own a Yamaha R1. Great on the track but.... frigging lethal on the road.
Again someone who clearly doesn't understand what "hydrogen" cars means. Hydrogen cars are electric. Their source of energy comes from a fuel cell instead of a battery. Tesla could easily swap out their batteries for a fuel cell (through a little engineering), if it turned out that hydrogen stations showed up all over the country (world?) in a very short time...which we all know is not going to happen. Besides, it's a really inefficient way of storing energy, as half of the energy is going to waste with current methods of splitting water into oxygen and hydrogen. The idea is nice though, but until we get a more efficient way of producing hydrogen, then it has no place in this world, as the sales-point for electric vehicles for the near future, will be how efficient and environmentally friendly the cars/technology powering them, are. And as it stands, you can not easily produce your own hydrogen in your own garage, and I'm not sure how safe that would be if you did try to approach that method.
I think he might be talking about these experiment(s):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Hydrogen_7
http://www.greenoptimistic.com/h2bvplus-bmw-hydrogen-engine-20090317/
lol - the incumbents have a whole host of inertia working against them. Dealer networks being the biggest nut they are going to have a hell of a time divesting themselves of eventually.
And manufacturing today's cars in production quantity is a big deal because they are so very complex. Electric cars are dramatically simpler, with far fewer moving parts and no need for complex things like engines, transmissions, differentials, etc.
If anything I think traditional companies are going to have a harder time adapting to electrics than outsiders coming in. Very little in how cars are made today is required for successful electric cars.
If your thesis was valid Blackberry would have been able to recover and overtake Apple with the iPhone. Ha! With things like 3D printing, I think the possibilities for new entrants will only be limited by the amount of regulations and red tape the incumbents and their sycophants (like dealers) can throttle them with
Tesla has no future. Once battery technology improves they will be steamrolled by BMW, Mercedes, Toyota and GM. Tesla has no technology that others can't duplicate with ease. And the other manufacturers have an order of magnitude more experience with manufacturing cars in production quantities.
lol - the incumbents have a whole host of inertia working against them. Dealer networks being the biggest nut they are going to have a hell of a time divesting themselves of eventually.
And manufacturing today's cars in production quantity is a big deal because they are so very complex. Electric cars are dramatically simpler, with far fewer moving parts and no need for complex things like engines, transmissions, differentials, etc.
If anything I think traditional companies are going to have a harder time adapting to electrics than outsiders coming in. Very little in how cars are made today is required for successful electric cars.
If your thesis was valid Blackberry would have been able to recover and overtake Apple with the iPhone. Ha! With things like 3D printing, I think the possibilities for new entrants will only be limited by the amount of regulations and red tape the incumbents and their sycophants (like dealers) can throttle them with
It's the lack of dealers and local major maintenance which holds me back from buying the Tesla, even if I wanted to pay the huge price for an urban use car.
I do feel Tesla has a very good electric car, but I couldn't even confirm I liked it's inside design because at our auto show the Tesla and other electric cars were locked. They were just to look at !
I assume getting inside one is when you purchase it via mail-order and accept delivery from UPS.
I'm fortunate to be in a big enough city that we have a Tesla showroom and you can do a test drive, but I can see how in some area's it could be an issue.
However even for a $40,000 purchase I've taken roadtrips from Las Vegas "down the hill" to SoCal to look over new models that weren't up in Vegas yet when I lived there. I guess it just depends on how interested you are.
It's the lack of dealers and local major maintenance which holds me back from buying the Tesla, even if I wanted to pay the huge price for an urban use car.
I do feel Tesla has a very good electric car, but I couldn't even confirm I liked it's inside design because at our auto show the Tesla and other electric cars were locked. They were just to look at !
I'm fortunate to be in a big enough city that we have a Tesla showroom and you can do a test drive, but I can see how in some area's it could be an issue.
However even for a $40,000 purchase I've taken roadtrips from Las Vegas "down the hill" to SoCal to look over new models that weren't up in Vegas yet when I lived there. I guess it just depends on how interested you are.
I'm very interested in any car which is practical and meets my mid priced requirements. BTW I am a car buff person.
The Tesla doesn't meet my requirements, but I appreciate it's attractiveness for a unique car collector.