Apple working to boost cloud services with new, consolidated platform - report

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  • Reply 21 of 43
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    Originally Posted by Misa View Post





    I kinda wonder what exactly they are running for servers seeing as it's unlikely that they are running their own MacMini's or MacPro's since neither of these devices are suitable for a high density server farm. They did away with the Xserve's or maybe they still produce a varient of them for their own data centers, who knows. "Purpose-built" seems like this. Which makes me wonder what they are using for disks.

     

    They could custom build ARM chips since they'll be using so many, it will be worth while.... ;-).

  • Reply 22 of 43
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    Could be a good opportunity to lure away key personnel from Amazon and Google to right the ship and ensure smooth sailing in the future for iCloud.

    Now is the time for Cook to hire a SVP for cloud services. Oh and appoint someone to oversee Apple's 4 platforms too. Let them be the face of Apple to developers. And task them with ensuring the best productivity apps are built for iPad Air first.
  • Reply 23 of 43
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    Originally Posted by Rayz View Post

     



    When they say platform, they're just talking about the technology used to implement it. When (if) they roll it out, it will be distributed across hundreds, perhaps thousands, of machines. 

     

    Have you noticed that when the this site goes mental with news that Apple service X has been down for three hours, the problem doesn't usually affect everyone?




    Try hundreds of thousands. :)

  • Reply 24 of 43
    rayzrayz Posts: 814member
    tdknox wrote: »

    Try hundreds of thousands. :)

    Out of 500 million :)
  • Reply 25 of 43
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    Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post



    Apple in the old days was famous for its simple flat management style when others were ultra hierarchical, sounds like Tim is headed back in that direction for internal operation and systems in some respects.



    Apple is a functional organization where most similar companies are based around products.

    Hardware

    Software

    Design

    Services

    Retail

     

    NOT

    iPod

    Mac

    iPhone

    iPad

    Mac OS

    iOS

    Pro Apps

    iLife

  • Reply 26 of 43
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    So one integrated, common platform system means that when it goes down, everything goes down? That does not seem like and improvement.



    Ever fly a plane through a cloud?

    Did you break the cloud?

  • Reply 27 of 43
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    Originally Posted by radster360 View Post

     

    Maybe they are trying to take some slice away from AWS, Google Cloud, Microsoft Azure - Why not? And with enterprise entry with IBM and Cisco, maybe they are provided added support to enterprise. So, is consumer electronic company trying to get back to old business - Why not? 




    This is about getting their internal house in order so they can operate more efficiently.

    Apple is not looking to compete in hosted cloud services.

  • Reply 28 of 43
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    Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella View Post

     



    Apple is a functional organization where most similar companies are based around products.

    Hardware

    Software

    Design

    Services

    Retail

     

    NOT

    iPod

    Mac

    iPhone

    iPad

    Mac OS

    iOS

    Pro Apps

    iLife


    and then under Services, this is where the silos basically start.  A Tech Stack for ITMS, a Stack for iCloud, a stack for the store, a tech stack for iMessage, a stack for apple Pay, a stack for etc.   If I'm reading this correctly, they are moving to one Tech Stack, and one API model, to simplify interoperability and cross scalability.  

     

    Just look at the Apple Store.  There is no reason (well, no good reason), that a site be down for hours before adding what really is... 1 page to your store front (pre-order a phone).  If anything, half the store should be in 'B' testing, and then at 11:55pm, the 'b' side becomes the 'a' side, and the old 'a' dies off and is restarted as 'b'.  

     

    Look at Netflix,  When was the last time you saw netflix down for anything other than a failure.  And they typically are doing 5-30 A/B tests in parallel all day long.

     

    So, the challenge is under Services.  Can they effectively build an Amazon Tech Stack, where demand loading can be as automated as Netflix's model, which can dynamically shift compute models on the fly (from say, shopping, to the "Sire Smart @ssed Answer Engine" (SSAAe), when every one and their mother starts trying out 'Hey Siri' on the 26th).  If the stacks aren't compatible, That autoshift isn't possible.

  • Reply 29 of 43
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    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post



    Now is the time for Cook to hire a SVP for cloud services.

     

    Senior Vice President, Internet Software and Services 

    "Internet Software and Services" is code for Cloud Services

     

     

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    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post



    Oh and appoint someone to oversee Apple's 4 platforms too.


     

    Senior Vice President Software Engineering  

    "Software Engineering" is code for Apple's 4 platforms

     

     

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post

    Let them be the face of Apple to developers. And task them with ensuring the best productivity apps are built for iPad Air first.


     

  • Reply 30 of 43
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    Originally Posted by TheOtherGeoff View Post

     

    and then under Services, this is where the silos basically start.  A Tech Stack for ITMS, a Stack for iCloud, a stack for the store, a tech stack for iMessage, a stack for apple Pay, a stack for etc.   If I'm reading this correctly, they are moving to one Tech Stack, and one API model, to simplify interoperability and cross scalability.  

     

    Just look at the Apple Store.  There is no reason (well, no good reason), that a site be down for hours before adding what really is... 1 page to your store front (pre-order a phone).  If anything, half the store should be in 'B' testing, and then at 11:55pm, the 'b' side becomes the 'a' side, and the old 'a' dies off and is restarted as 'b'.  

     

    Look at Netflix,  When was the last time you saw netflix down for anything other than a failure.  And they typically are doing 5-30 A/B tests in parallel all day long.

     

    So, the challenge is under Services.  Can they effectively build an Amazon Tech Stack, where demand loading can be as automated as Netflix's model, which can dynamically shift compute models on the fly (from say, shopping, to the "Sire Smart @ssed Answer Engine" (SSAAe), when every one and their mother starts trying out 'Hey Siri' on the 26th).  If the stacks aren't compatible, That autoshift isn't possible.




    The actual article that this report is quoting also mentions a push to use more Open Source Software.

  • Reply 31 of 43

    Apple should open a retail store at that datacenter and sell t-shirts that say "iTouched the iCloud".

  • Reply 32 of 43
    jidojido Posts: 102member
    Apple used to run a lot of Sun servers, they are probably on linux today. The Apple Store and iTunes are on WebObjects, a NeXT technology. I don't know what Siri uses.
  • Reply 33 of 43

    In the late 1990s I think, using OS9, I signed up to a free account for Mac users on iTools. My friends marvelled that all my computers were now in sync, and that I had cloud storage at my fingertips. Then came .Mac, which I think I had to pay a small amount for, and the even better, but worse, MobileMe - dropping the iDisk I'd come to rely on. Now iCloud - and my iPhone somehow syncs, but I have a personal account and a business account and I don't want all my personal stuff shared across everyone's company devices and it's all got harder. Meanwhile Google and Microsoft have done what Apple does - come late to the party and got some traction. Google Drive seems oddly popular, but Apple seems to have lots its early lead. Time to fix that.

  • Reply 34 of 43
    sphericspheric Posts: 1,780member
    fearless wrote: »
    In the late 1990s I think, using OS9, I signed up to a free account for Mac users on iTools. My friends marvelled that all my computers were now in sync, and that I had cloud storage at my fingertips. Then came .Mac, which I think I had to pay a small amount for, and the even better, but worse, MobileMe - dropping the iDisk I'd come to rely on. Now iCloud - and my iPhone somehow syncs, but I have a personal account and a business account and I don't want all my personal stuff shared across everyone's company devices and it's all got harder. Meanwhile Google and Microsoft have done what Apple does - come late to the party and got some traction. Google Drive seems oddly popular, but Apple seems to have lots its early lead. Time to fix that.

    I remembered iTools being January 2000, and whaddaya know - the press release is still online!:

    https://www.apple.com/pr/library/2000/01/05Apple-Unveils-Internet-Strategy.html

    20 megabytes of free online storage, baby!

    (My @mac.com address dates back to that time.)
  • Reply 35 of 43
    ksecksec Posts: 1,566member

    I dont understand why the dislike on Siri's team, Siri is properly the best of the Apple Internet Services. Modern too.

     

    For those who dont know, latest Siri has been rebuilt on Mesos, (http://mesos.apache.org/) , with their own scheduler called Jarvis ( Named after the IronMan AI ). It was announced on Mesosphere this year and it was very big news for the industry, one because first time Apple opened up what they are using in their Web Stack, second being a confirmation that Mesos is ready for REALLY big enterprise, not just hot and latest tech running startup.

     

    What that basically means is that Apple now has its own Internal PaaS ( Platform as a Services ). The Platform will ( or hopefully ) evolve independent of the Product running on top of it like Siri, iTunes, etc.

     

    From what i have been told / read Apple has always been relying on off the shelf solution for storage and Database, which is similar to what other big enterprise and banks uses. But Internet companies tend to built those themselves, Facebook, Yahoo and Google all uses either Internal developed solution or Open Sources solution. And Apple has been heading this way for sometime. Hopefully we see less Oracle DB and proprietary SAN. 

     

    Edit. I hope Apple built there own server as well. I have a hard time understanding why they continue to buy off the self Servers. The amount of Data going to iCloud in the coming years will be gigantic. One possible signal for this movement is Apple joining open compute project originally lead by Facebook  ( http://www.opencompute.org/ )

  • Reply 36 of 43
    radster360 wrote: »
    Maybe they are trying to take some slice away from AWS, Google Cloud, Microsoft Azure - Why not? And with enterprise entry with IBM and Cisco, maybe they are provided added support to enterprise. So, is consumer electronic company trying to get back to old business - Why not? 
    Not likely to happen because so far the IBM/Apple has yet to take off in enterprise growth. Also Apple would likely expect enterprises to pay a higher premium, not to mention that the cost for such a move would cost companies too much money to try an untested Cloud storage provider in the areas where others have become very established and proven for large Enterprises to even consider.

    Not to mention Amazon, Google, and Microsoft are more reputable in the Enterprise Cloud Storage business. Maybe smaller startups that run on an all Mac environment would be their target businesses.
  • Reply 37 of 43

    Infrastructure is irrelevant if the basic services aren't up to snuff. iCloud email, for example, still doesn't support user-owned domains and commits the greatest sin of anti-spam, silently discarding certain "spam" emails. If it weren't for calendar and contact sync I wouldn't bother with iCloud at all, and I still don't use their email for anything that isn't throwaway.

  • Reply 38 of 43
    cornchipcornchip Posts: 1,365member

    Anyone else having this problem? It's only on the Mac, all my other iCloud services seem to be clicking...

     

  • Reply 39 of 43
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    Anyone else having this problem? It's only on the Mac, all my other iCloud services seem to be clicking...

     




    Not here. All green on the screen as well: https://www.apple.com/support/systemstatus/

  • Reply 40 of 43
    cornchipcornchip Posts: 1,365member
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    Originally Posted by WonkoTheSane View Post

     



    Not here. All green on the screen as well: https://www.apple.com/support/systemstatus/


     

    Well, hmmm :grumble:

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