I can't believe that people actually read his articles. I can't remember the last article of his that I have read and I get PCmac. I have no respect for him and it has nouthing to do with his stance on Apple. He's an idiot IMHO and not worth reading.
Dvorak's article is not anti-Apple. He is simply pleading for Apple to ditch the Macintosh and try harder at innovating, since they're the only PC company who has the guts too.
Dvorak wants to see the computer industry take a whole new direction, and Apple the company best suited to lead it. I agree ditching the Mac sounds crazy, but I can also see Dvorak?s point.
The computer industry does need something new and revolutionary. Who better to deliver it than Apple?
I also liked Dvorak?s comments on OS X. His comments are pretty much positive saying "Apple has done the impossible although it's still not enough" But atleast, it?s not all bad.
What line? I'm talking about Gateway's poorly designed, ugly as all ****, all-in-one response to the first iMac. There's a <a href="http://news.com.com/2100-1040-855959.html"; target="_blank">Profile 4 in the works</a> to respond to the new iMacs.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Is it just me, or is the iMac better, and a better value? Comparing the SuperDrive iMac to that "thing" would make the Mac look pretty good.
By the way, vertical CD/DVD drives are bad. They're too slow. And it's only a CDROM drive. Why would you buy a $1649 computer that can't even burn a CD. The $1899 iMac can burn DVDs, has twice the RAM, 50% more HD. Man, Gateway, that machine stinks. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Why does anyone give a rat's ass what he thinks...? Why is his opinion any more or less important than mine or yours...? He knows nothing more or less than anyone else.
Let him be a bitter anti-Mac author... he may have some points... he may be way-off base... who knows... more importantly... WHO CARES...?
Even if he bent-over-backwards to PRAISE the Mac... it wouldn't affect MY feelings toward the Mac platform.
Maybe it's just me... but I could care less what ANY journalist has to say about the computer... I like it... I'm gonna use it. 'nuff said.
John Dvorass is just not smart. He is not smart because someday he will be out of a job, the day when the consumer market share belongs to Apple. That day will come because the things Dvorass says Apple DOESNT do are exactly the things they do. It is the PC manufacturers that do not innovate which will render those companies and their products obsolete. Those companies simply fill their boxes with M$'s software.
Apple will continually out perform and innovate while the other guys stagnate.
Complaints that Apple has ceased being innovative just ring hollow to me. There are problems in the Mac world, but let's get real: Apple still sells an OS which boasts technologies and possibilities not found among its competition. It's still the leader in industrial design. Still the leader in hardware/software integration.
And the most important factor when gauging Apple's relevance: is it still making things easier for mere mortals? Absolutely. Wireless networking and desktop video are prime examples. What's more, as far as the latter is concerned, Apple products are once again the cornerstone of an emerging industry - as was the case with desktop publishing.
(To say nothing of a steady stream of good work and forward thinking such as QuickTime, HyperCard, QuickDraw GX, NewtonOS, Quartz, OpenDoc and FireWire. Or things like plug-and-play, and silent computing. Or having the guts to really ditch legacy I/O - no ifs, ands, or buts.)
Perhaps Apple hasn't recently rocked the world to the degree it did with the first Mac, but then again, neither would anyone else succeed by that measure. Any fool can see that the company still matters in the areas where it has always excelled, still makes the PC's evolution interesting.
As for Dvorak: I'd like that guy's job. Must be nice to be paid for so little work.
It's not a big deal, really. It's actually quite simple: Dvorak is a professional curmudgeon, paid to pooh-pooh stuff. Just so happens his frequent target it Apple and their products.
BIG deal. Is he, in any way, influencing any of you people here? I mean, really? Come on.
Most people who have a clue know what a gas bag this guy is. His astoundlingly wrongheaded pile of statements and predictions over the years are simply hilarious in their cluelessness.
Nobody cares what he says. He's paid to be a pot stirrer. He's bitter and whiny and has an edge to his writing and personality that - I would imagine - turn the bulk of the public off. Any true John Dvorak fans out there? Really?
Basically, guys, he's just another in a long string of people who simply don't get it. Computing is about arcane and complex procedures and theories. He can't bear to part with the floppy drive. If a mouse doesn't have 32 buttons on it, it can't be a "serious input device" and so on.
He's one of "those" kinda computer people.
Don't give the peckerhead the hit count or satisfaction of knowing he even registers on our radar, because he doesn't.
Deal?
It would be a different story if this was someone who has proven that he, in some way, "gets it" or even remotely has a clue. As it is, he does/has neither. So...
Dvorak is a moron. He will attack anything and anyone just to get ratings. One minute he bashes M$ and praises Apple, the next minute he praises M$ and bashes Apple. Have you ever watched his show on TechTV called Silicon Spin? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> Does he know what he's talking about? <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> The only thing he does well is push people's buttons.
He is just trolling, that is the way that they sell magazines, just troll along some of the minority user groups and see the hatemail flood in. Then he can justify himself with the hatemail, saying that he must have struck the truth because of all the negative feedback from the Mac Community.
I read his writings and they make a lot of sense to me. This is what I was saying the other day. It is just time for Macintosh to go away. It is an old, warn out idea.
Comments
Something like this: "It uses an experimental pointing device called a 'mouse', which will undoubtedly be an utter failiure."
Seriously.
-robo
<strong>Does anyone remember the classic Dvorak quote from 1984?
Something like this: "It uses an experimental pointing device called a 'mouse', which will undoubtedly be an utter failiure."
Seriously.
-robo</strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> what an idiot.
Dvorak wants to see the computer industry take a whole new direction, and Apple the company best suited to lead it. I agree ditching the Mac sounds crazy, but I can also see Dvorak?s point.
The computer industry does need something new and revolutionary. Who better to deliver it than Apple?
I also liked Dvorak?s comments on OS X. His comments are pretty much positive saying "Apple has done the impossible although it's still not enough"
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What line? I'm talking about Gateway's poorly designed, ugly as all ****, all-in-one response to the first iMac. There's a <a href="http://news.com.com/2100-1040-855959.html"; target="_blank">Profile 4 in the works</a> to respond to the new iMacs.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Is it just me, or is the iMac better, and a better value? Comparing the SuperDrive iMac to that "thing" would make the Mac look pretty good.
By the way, vertical CD/DVD drives are bad. They're too slow. And it's only a CDROM drive. Why would you buy a $1649 computer that can't even burn a CD. The $1899 iMac can burn DVDs, has twice the RAM, 50% more HD. Man, Gateway, that machine stinks. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
apophasis
[ raising hand from back of the room ]
Quick question...
Why does anyone give a rat's ass what he thinks...? Why is his opinion any more or less important than mine or yours...? He knows nothing more or less than anyone else.
Let him be a bitter anti-Mac author... he may have some points... he may be way-off base... who knows... more importantly... WHO CARES...?
Even if he bent-over-backwards to PRAISE the Mac... it wouldn't affect MY feelings toward the Mac platform.
Maybe it's just me... but I could care less what ANY journalist has to say about the computer... I like it... I'm gonna use it. 'nuff said.
Apple will continually out perform and innovate while the other guys stagnate.
[ 06-19-2002: Message edited by: HurtCobain ]</p>
And the most important factor when gauging Apple's relevance: is it still making things easier for mere mortals? Absolutely. Wireless networking and desktop video are prime examples. What's more, as far as the latter is concerned, Apple products are once again the cornerstone of an emerging industry - as was the case with desktop publishing.
(To say nothing of a steady stream of good work and forward thinking such as QuickTime, HyperCard, QuickDraw GX, NewtonOS, Quartz, OpenDoc and FireWire. Or things like plug-and-play, and silent computing. Or having the guts to really ditch legacy I/O - no ifs, ands, or buts.)
Perhaps Apple hasn't recently rocked the world to the degree it did with the first Mac, but then again, neither would anyone else succeed by that measure. Any fool can see that the company still matters in the areas where it has always excelled, still makes the PC's evolution interesting.
As for Dvorak: I'd like that guy's job. Must be nice to be paid for so little work.
Cheers,
Mark.
BIG deal. Is he, in any way, influencing any of you people here? I mean, really? Come on.
Most people who have a clue know what a gas bag this guy is. His astoundlingly wrongheaded pile of statements and predictions over the years are simply hilarious in their cluelessness.
Nobody cares what he says. He's paid to be a pot stirrer. He's bitter and whiny and has an edge to his writing and personality that - I would imagine - turn the bulk of the public off. Any true John Dvorak fans out there? Really?
Basically, guys, he's just another in a long string of people who simply don't get it. Computing is about arcane and complex procedures and theories. He can't bear to part with the floppy drive. If a mouse doesn't have 32 buttons on it, it can't be a "serious input device" and so on.
He's one of "those" kinda computer people.
Don't give the peckerhead the hit count or satisfaction of knowing he even registers on our radar, because he doesn't.
Deal?
It would be a different story if this was someone who has proven that he, in some way, "gets it" or even remotely has a clue. As it is, he does/has neither. So...
Dvorak on MacWorld Expo SF 1998: "Folks, the Mac platform is through -- totally -- and this may be the last, if not the next to last, Mac show."
This guy is never wrong!
<strong>Dvorak takes it up the ass.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Stop the personal attacks. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
Some tips:
#1 Don't cuss or call him names.
#2 Keep it professional, polite, and correct.
#3 Tell him why you disagree with him, keeping in mind #1 and #2.
#4 Get some friends to mail him keeping the same tone.
What does it gain you to be uncivil and cuss and rant and rave to these media types every time they diss the Mac?
And abandon the Macintosh? <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" /> <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" /> <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" />
Wouldnt that infer that the windows metaphor, based on the Mac is worn too?
Maybe Dvorak wants something more fun, perhaps big L.E.D displays and switches
He's like a three year old just striving on all this attention.