Rumor: Disaster at MWNY... :(

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  • Reply 101 of 266
    [quote]Originally posted by Programmer:

    <strong>Okay guys, I have to apologize. I sent that rumour to spymac, knowing that they'd publish it shamelessly. I was just hoping to bring everyone's expectations in line for MWNY, rather than letting them go wild like at MWSF. Its a good bet that we'll get at least a 0.2 GHz bump, and if the prices of the 1 GHz units have dropped enough for the accelerator companies then Apple might be able to afford putting two in every PowerMac. I didn't expect to cause such a ruckus here. I'm truly very sorry for this.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Sorry, but you're a giant idiot (I know you're probably a decent person in real life, so no offense!). But why would you do this?



    I mean, you guys complain about how made up all the rumor sites are and how they just fake everything. Well look at this, they don't have to! We have people with too much time on their hands who will submit fake information to them!!!!!!!! WHY? If no one sent fake info then we would all be able to trust the places more.



    And they did not "shamelessly" publish it. They admit it's from anonymous sources and they make it sound like they got more than one mail saying this, so hopefully you just got lucky and sent in something that is true.



    Anyway, this whole thread makes me mad. You guys bash spymac (probably my fav site, I admit my bias) and what are you stuck with? A piece of crap msg board w/o a front page?



    Get a life, stop sending **** to rumor pages.. Oh wait, then you losers would have nothing to talk about.



    Junkyard and a few people are the only decent people here.
  • Reply 102 of 266
    Thanks Moki

    Because of evil Programmer I had started to believe the disaster at MWNY was gonna be quad 604e's in a George Forman Grill !



    [ 06-27-2002: Message edited by: pey/coy-ote ]



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  • Reply 103 of 266
    [quote]Originally posted by The All Knowing 1:

    <strong>



    The difference being that AI already had a decent amount of credibility when the Disney thing came out. But most of us always took AI with a grain of salt anyways. Spymac did their fake and went ALL OUT in the ultimate visitor-attractive hoax ever. Spymac lured all the visitors there, and note how they now have a lovely store. They are out there to make money. Sure we all are in some way, but thats lame what Spymac represents.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Yeah, Spymac is lame.. let's see why:

    They have one of the most active mac forums around

    They give free email accounts

    They give you a bunch of space to upload your pictures

    They give you a bunch of free icons

    They have no advertisements on their page

    They have a small store that you are not forced to buy anything from



    Real lame, I know I'm never going there again. I'd rather hang out here with all you Apple zombies.





  • Reply 104 of 266
    Yeah! where's my G.D. free email space???



    I'm goin to spymac!!!
  • Reply 105 of 266
    g-newsg-news Posts: 1,107member
    someone, or actually most of you have obviously lost the connection to reality a bit...

    If you look at industry practice a bit, you'll quickly notice that cpu companies never release the fastest cpu the can make, until they can make it at least one step faster. Intel has continuously updated its chips by HALF a system clock speed, from upgrade to upgrade...that was 33 then 50, then even less, namely a QUARTER of the speed: 100Mhz.

    Apple is in fact the only company that boosted speeds by a factor of 1.5x the bus speed once already (going from 533 to 733). going up 400 MHz would be possible, assuming they'd implement a faster system bus...but those of you, who thought about 1.6-2.0GHz..what have YOU been smoking?



    Apple is never going to double the MHz on a machine with the same generatio of CPUs in it, NEVER.



    So, while a 200MHz bump is dissapointing, it's also perfectly in line with all the past upgrades, which were all dissapointing too, at least to some of you, obviously. However, I think, if the 166MHz bus is coming, 1200Mhz is an unlikely clockspeed..

    1166 or 1250 are more likely. On the other hand, 1200/200 is perfectly reasonable (but unlikely from a DDR-RAM point of view).



    G-News
  • Reply 106 of 266
    ketracelketracel Posts: 16member
    In a way i hope Apple doesn't ship a new board in July. PC boards coming out next month will have DDR400 support, Serial ATA (some up to 12 connectors) and USB 2.0. If Apple ship a new board in July it will likely not have these features and it may be a long long time untill a new board ships with such components. Perhaps Jan next year would be a better time for a new board. That way Apple have plently of time to implement the said features.
  • Reply 107 of 266
    pbpb Posts: 4,233member
    [quote]Originally posted by Da sinister:

    <strong>by the way does any one know how many gigaflops P4 does, ive never been able to find that one out

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    <a href="http://www.apple.com/scitech/physicalscience/VE102501.pdf"; target="_blank">http://www.apple.com/scitech/physicalscience/VE102501.pdf</a>;
  • Reply 108 of 266
    The new era for compters is about functionality... Ask not where your computer came from, but what your computer can do for you!



    My little dual 450 G4 still runs all the apps that I need and pphotoshop (which is what I use mostly) better than most PCs right on up to ~2GHz... that's what I care about.
  • Reply 109 of 266
    g::mastag::masta Posts: 121member
    the way i look at things:

    I have 2 machines:

    PIII-700/512/WinXP

    Beige G3-266/384/9.2.2



    i use the G3 for all the print work (FH10, PS7) and the P3 for the video (cos i gotta DV500 board)



    all my apps work faster on the PC but i get more done on the mac cos it crashes less and while i am resizing a 200Mb PS doc i can still do other things. Premiere bearly runs on the PC but i get realtime video thx to the board. Only problem is .. i can't even play mp3's properly while doing any video and the OS craaaaaaaawls



    We recently got 2 Dual 1Ghz G4's and they are ****-fast compared to my dinosaur. so when i get my new 1.6Ghz P4 PC i will let you know how much faster & stabler it is.



    At the moment it is no contest. Up-time far outweighs the initial speed boost of the PC.
  • Reply 110 of 266
    telomartelomar Posts: 1,804member
    [quote]Originally posted by Ketracel:

    <strong>In a way i hope Apple doesn't ship a new board in July. PC boards coming out next month will have DDR400 support, Serial ATA (some up to 12 connectors) and USB 2.0. If Apple ship a new board in July it will likely not have these features and it may be a long long time untill a new board ships with such components. Perhaps Jan next year would be a better time for a new board. That way Apple have plently of time to implement the said features.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    It goes without saying that just because PC motherboard manufacturers are producing something it doesn't really mean anything. DDR-400 won't be really appearing until around first half 2003. AMD only plans support for DDR-333 at the release of its hammers.



    There are a variety of options Apple can take depending on how much they want to spend on development and what they are aiming to do. My expectation would be Apple would release a motherboard revision at MWNY this year to encompass DDR RAM, Firewire 2 and likely USB 2.0. I would anticipate something relatively boring.



    As much as everybody will complain I believe you will find the performance gain sizeable all the same.



    Depending on what Apple's timeline for other release schedules are there are a lot of other options in the future.



    What I will be interested in seeing is how quickly Apple switches to DDR II (probably MWNY 2004 but I would hope for MWSF 2004). I don't expect they will bother with DDR-400 but it will be interesting to watch how they handle bandwidth constraints in the time ahead.



    [ 06-27-2002: Message edited by: Telomar ]</p>
  • Reply 111 of 266
    bartobarto Posts: 2,246member
    What would be bad about ~$1500 for a DP 800?



    If there is enough excess of 1GHz for upgrades, there is sure to be ~1.5GHz CPUs able to be fabbed.



    There will be DDR RAM. IMHO it will be Xserve-chipset, desktop form-factor. If the parts are ready...



    Barto
  • Reply 112 of 266
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    Nah, you're all wrong. Moto is so pissed with Steve's constant badgering about their PPC dev, that they've decided to sell G4's to 3rd party at a better price than they give to Apple. Apple is downgrading their QS machines to original QS spec, and everyone will have to buy a 3rd party card to bring PowerMacs back up to top speed. There's your worst case scenario. Remember, Apple has tried both spec drops and price bumps before.
  • Reply 113 of 266
    [quote]Originally posted by Programmer:

    <strong>Okay guys, I have to apologize. I sent that rumour to spymac, knowing that they'd publish it shamelessly. I was just hoping to bring everyone's expectations in line for MWNY, rather than letting them go wild like at MWSF. I didn't expect to cause such a ruckus here. I'm truly very sorry for this.</strong><hr></blockquote>

    Come home, all is forgiven!



    And, I'd like to thank JD for sharing his drink - I mean, his "bad news" with us, and for demonstrating his true worth in this forum <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> .



    Keep up the good "work", Dawg - you're the best troll we have!
  • Reply 114 of 266
    The SpyMac rumor is idiotic. It says that a salesman told people to buy the highest-priced computer that his company sells. If he said something else, he wouldn't be a SALESMAN! Yes, the fact that a salesman is doing his job selling high-margin machines means that Apple is going to be selling dual-processors in all machines.



    Further proof!

    Apple has dual processors in its highest-end machine (Dual 1GHz powermac) and its lowest-end machine (iPod). It's obvious they're working their way towards the middle. Can't you see it?



    Matthew
  • Reply 115 of 266
    [quote]Originally posted by Programmer:

    <strong>Worst case scenario would be a 2 GHz G5, DDR333 w/ RapidIO machine that is only 10% faster than the current machines. That would be bad.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    You got THAT right: massive changes amounting to nothing would slap into place the final bricks in the wall around the 'Mac ghetto'.



    But I expect we're looking at a bigger release rather than smaller, and I expect the new PMs will ship mid-Sept. w/ Jaguar installed.



    I'll be expecting the first one @ my house!
  • Reply 116 of 266
    ketracelketracel Posts: 16member
    [quote]Originally posted by Capt. Obvious:

    <strong>



    You got THAT right: massive changes amounting to nothing would slap into place the final bricks in the wall around the 'Mac ghetto'.



    But I expect we're looking at a bigger release rather than smaller, and I expect the new PMs will ship mid-Sept. w/ Jaguar installed.



    I'll be expecting the first one @ my house! </strong><hr></blockquote>



    Possibly but everyone says this leading up to every show an Apple disappoints you all without fail. We like to think big things are on the way but personally im not too excited until i see something. The last two years have been an utter disappointment. More major misses than Minor hits..thats our Apple now days.
  • Reply 117 of 266
    ketracelketracel Posts: 16member
    [quote]Originally posted by Telomar:

    <strong>



    It goes without saying that just because PC motherboard manufacturers are producing something it doesn't really mean anything. DDR-400 won't be really appearing until around first half 2003. AMD only plans support for DDR-333 at the release of its hammers.



    There are a variety of options Apple can take depending on how much they want to spend on development and what they are aiming to do. My expectation would be Apple would release a motherboard revision at MWNY this year to encompass DDR RAM, Firewire 2 and likely USB 2.0. I would anticipate something relatively boring.



    As much as everybody will complain I believe you will find the performance gain sizeable all the same.



    Depending on what Apple's timeline for other release schedules are there are a lot of other options in the future.



    What I will be interested in seeing is how quickly Apple switches to DDR II (probably MWNY 2004 but I would hope for MWSF 2004). I don't expect they will bother with DDR-400 but it will be interesting to watch how they handle bandwidth constraints in the time ahead.



    [ 06-27-2002: Message edited by: Telomar ]</strong><hr></blockquote>





    Why doesn't it mean anything? And who does it mean nothing to?



    Dude i bought some DDR 400 1 week ago, Corsair XMS3200. MSI, Abit and Gigabyte will have boards based on the new Via KT400 chipset very soon. The Hammer chipsets will likely have DDR400 support now, this is getting revised as we speek. As for DDR II, mid next year for the ram companies the word is as for Apple's adoption? god knows. We know that in classical Apple form they adopt these standards 1-2 years after the rest of the industry..USB 1 being the exception.



    I agree however, that Apple will likely do the DDR move this July, DDR266 i would imagine-(6 months after the rest of the industry has moved on the the next best thing).



    As i mentioned tho, it would probably be wiser if Apple just pulled a CPU bump at july an a full board job at SF using the very latest tech avialable at the time. That way they can ride the current hardware for a while longer instead of adopting stuff 2-3 generations behind. and milking it for 5 times longer. We all know everyone will complain like mad and i dont think Apple can afford to continually offer dated machines. I think the days when the Mac users where said to be clueless in relation to hardware saavyness are gone. They, (Apple) have a customer base that are far more knowledgable about hardware and thus can't easily be convinced by a few photoshop demos. Maybe im wrong......Maybe ppl still believe whatever Steve tells them. I fear for us all if thats the case. But reading this place an others, its clear most users now are pretty well informed thus they can see when the wool is gettin pulled over thier eyes.



    Lets just wait an see what happens. Apple needs us to spend our money but we need the fastest best value products for that money.....we havent been getting that over the past few years.



    [ 06-27-2002: Message edited by: Ketracel ]</p>
  • Reply 118 of 266
    programmerprogrammer Posts: 3,409member
    &lt;sigh&gt;



    You guys really miss the point... the SpyMac rumour is reasonable. You're winding yourselves up into a frenzy again based on no real evidence. And no, I didn't send anything to SpyMac, my point was that even they admitted that anybody could have.



    Listen to Moki -- he's the only one around with anything close to credibility. A 20% processor performance boost with a 25+% memory bandwidth boost plus Jaguar will deliver machines that are significantly faster than the current PowerMacs. If they are all duals then these machines will be blisteringly fast in practice (although not in most benchmarks since most benchmarks don't test cases where the PowerMac & MacOSX does well).



    There will be new technology coming from Apple, but we don't have a timeline on it so predicting a MWNY debut is optimistic. By definition, optimists are disappointed, pessimists are surprised. Take your pick. Personally I'm not even convinced of the 166 MHz bus. Given the Xserve's DDR desgin and the sudden arrival of 1 GHz upgrades, a 20% clock rate bump seems realistic.



    And if this "disaster" comes to pass, it is not a disaster. A 20% clock rate jump, improved memory bus (i.e. DDR and maybe 166), (possibly) duals, (possibly) improved I/O... that's quite a bit of new stuff. Apple's sales aren't the only ones down -- this is an economic slump throughout the PC industry. New super Apple machines would most likely follow the LCD iMac's trend line, i.e. a solid burst of first adopters trailing off to disappointing numbers once they get production up to speed.



    Get over it. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
  • Reply 119 of 266
    [quote]Originally posted by TimJakes:



    Sorry, but you're a giant idiot (I know you're probably a decent person in real life, so no offense!). But why would you do this?

    You're a moron. No Offense! Oh, and I would guess you work for SpyMac, your English is quite good however! Remember, NO Offense!



    I mean, you guys complain about how made up all the rumor sites are and how they just fake everything. Well look at this, they don't have to! We have people with too much time on their hands who will submit fake information to them!!!!!!!! WHY? If no one sent fake info then we would all be able to trust the places more.



    No they probably would make it up themselves or not post at all.WHat would they post without all their "sources".



    And they did not "shamelessly" publish it. They admit it's from anonymous sources and they make it sound like they got more than one mail saying this, so hopefully you just got lucky and sent in something that is true.

    Of course, they got duplicates of the message Programmer just made up. Come on! It sounds more credible if you claim multiple sources, so most rumor sites do and/or overstate the qualifications and prediction accuracy of their sources. But of course, SpyMac, being peopled with persons of remarkable, even unusual integrity, is different!



    Anyway, this whole thread makes me mad. You guys bash spymac (probably my fav site, I admit my bias) and what are you stuck with? A piece of crap msg board w/o a front page?

    Some folks realized the Worker bee, leaky Apple era is over and moved on, others decided to try to keep the magic going long after the show is over and make crap up and post stupid things people make up. AI's orignal name was "Reality" and I think they still have a better grip on reality than the other rumor sites (which in this case, for good or ill, means the rumor business is mostly dead)



    Get a life, stop sending **** to rumor pages.. Oh wait, then you losers would have nothing to talk about.

    And what exactly would you "winners" over at SpyMac have to talk about if your "sources" dried up? Wait I know, they can make something up (which I have to admit they exert more effort on than others) but with all the Work it takes to make an iWalk video they won't have new "dirt" to chew on real often



    Junkyard and a few people are the only decent people here.



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    Go home, twit. Oh, BTW, No offense!



    [/QB]<hr></blockquote>
  • Reply 120 of 266
    tabootaboo Posts: 128member
    [quote]Originally posted by Tarimko Bintasir:

    <strong>Just to point this out... the quad 604e is real. I don't remember exactly who the company that made those was... all I remember is it was during the Clone Era and I have an old MacWorld on my shelf with a full-page ad for the guys. Talk about a kickin machine for it's time...



    <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>



    Don't know about a retail machine, but TotalImpact used to make 604e and g3 multiproc upgrades.

    <a href="http://www.everymac.com/upgrade_cards/totalimpact/index.html"; target="_blank">every mac</a>

    They were still selling last year, but not anymore apparently. I think they were upgrades for Daystar machines only, and the way it worked was each cpu had it's own PCI card, and was connected that way. Dunno how effective it would be tho'.....





    edit: Woops. Looks like I spoke too soon. Checked their site again and found the product still available. Quad proc card (g3 or g4?), that fits into a PCI slot on any Apple or Intel machine?

    <a href="http://www.totalimpact.com/G3_MP.html"; target="_blank">quad proc</a>



    [ 06-27-2002: Message edited by: taboo ]</p>
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