Build-to-order configurations can be upgraded to a 3.3-gigahertz quad-core Intel Core 84 processor, as well as Fusion Drives of 1- or 2-terabytes, or a 512-gigabyte flash SSD drive.
Core 84? Is that just a mistype for i5? I've definitely never heard of a Core 84 and a search brings me nothing...
I also use Windows 10..and there's a lot to like about it. Sure Windows can have lower "lows" than Apple Products, but also higher "highs." 3D graphics in particular on a DIY-PC can vastly exceed what a Mac is capable of with better hardware and better drivers for a lot less money. Tim Cook is resting on Laurels with this iMac roll out - a mistake that will cost Apple sales and rightfully so.
So, you have a complaint about build to order, but you turn around and then compare a DIY-PC with the same iMac.
Fusion drives are available at Apple stores and retailers; so not uniquely build to order.
My iMac 5K fusion drive;
disk0s2:
Media Name: APPLE SSD SD0128F Media
Size: 120.99 GB (120,988,852,224 bytes)
Medium Type: SSD
Protocol: PCI
Internal: Yes
Partition Map Type: GPT (GUID Partition Table)
Status: Online
S.M.A.R.T. Status: Verified
PV UUID: BDA182D4-6F31-4B1D-B0B5-8CAA0F129936
disk1s2:
Media Name: APPLE HDD ST1000DM003 Media
Size: 999.35 GB (999,345,012,736 bytes)
Medium Type: Rotational
Protocol: SATA
Internal: Yes
Partition Map Type: GPT (GUID Partition Table)
Status: Online
S.M.A.R.T. Status: Verified
PV UUID: DAF0CF6C-0090-4C26-B8B5-68B8B0BDF3E9
Fusion is a great deal for $100 bucks up sell, and more usable than just an SSD for most applications.
Your rant is misplaced.
My rant is precisely placed. Apple just launched a 4K iMac turd, and if I want to polish their turd, I need to fork over another $100 for the dubious distinction of owning a "Fusion" Drive with "24GB of fast flash" according to Apple's own website. That's a ridiculous $4+/GB - the most expensive (and least performing) flash memory on the face of the Earth! Apple is smoking crack!
Fusion drives suck - it's a $100 upcharge for a tiny performance increase. But wait...there's more. Last Generation Intel processors, no USB Type-C ports, and only Intel Graphics driving a 4K display - that's gonna hurt! Apple has lost it's mojo - satisfied with mediocrity.
I've lately been helping my dad find a new laptop for when he works from home, and since it's a work computer we unfortunately have no choice but to make it a Windows laptop. As a baseline I figured I could compare the laptops I searched for to my MacBook Pro 13" Retina, which I bought for $1280 CAD last July, but was actually a late 2013 clearance model. So given it's 2 years later, you'd figure we could get similar specs for maybe $800, or if we had to, $1000.
Almost all the laptops in that range use an i5-5200 which benchmarks way lower (3550) compared to the MacBook's 2-year old i5-4258 (4060). I realize benchmarks don't always properly reflect power/speed, but over 10% difference isn't negligible. You'd expect, since the Windows laptops are using the newer chip, even if it's slower, it's probably more power-efficient, but these laptops don't have even 5 or 6 hours of battery life Vs. the MacBook's 9 hours. Finding anything with more than 4GB RAM was difficult (the MacBook has 8GB) and absolutely none of those laptops have SSDs. This, of course, still ignores the niceties like retina display, auto-adjusting screen brightness, and a great keyboard and glass trackpad (the Windows laptop trackpads don't track a two-finger scroll very well, in the ones that have it).
In other words, Apple definitely hasn't lost their mojo. After 2 years, asking for even a 20-30% discount on hardware in the Windows world isn't possible, because while they might be using more notes, they can't put together the melodies like Apple can. It may seem like some individual components are "mediocre" but Apple knows how to make a whole package with value that I think you'd be hard-pressed to find elsewhere.
So, you have a complaint about build to order, but you turn around and then compare a DIY-PC with the same iMac.
Lame.
Yeah those kick ass DIY-PCs get real expensive, real fast. Why even bother building one unless you are going to go top of the line? By the time you get done you'll be up in the Mac Pro price range. But let's compare it to an iMac anyway, jeez!
Its a free country. No ones forcing you to buy a Mac. And Mac sales are not hurting at all. They have increased market share for the last 10 years.
I don't need to. I already have a Windows 10 PC that handily outscores even an 8 core MacPro in every single benchmark I have thrown at it, but that's not really my point here... I also need to own a Mac (it's a job thing) and I'm tired of having to pay ridiculous up-charges to get simple things, that quite frankly, should have been included in the base price. I didn't have to play this silly game when I built my kick-ass DIY PC? My only advice to Apple at this point is......you really need to TRY HARDER.
I don't need to. I already have a Windows 10 PC that handily outscores even an 8 core MacPro in every single benchmark I have thrown at it, but that's not really my point here... I also need to own a Mac (it's a job thing)
You apparently have no problem affording a top of the line PC, why don't you budget the same amount for your work Mac and go with the Mac Pro?
I don't need to. I already have a Windows 10 PC that handily outscores even an 8 core MacPro in every single benchmark I have thrown at it, but that's not really my point here... I also need to own a Mac (it's a job thing) and I'm tired of having to pay ridiculous up-charges to get simple things, that quite frankly, should have been included in the base price. I didn't have to play this silly game when I built my kick-ass DIY PC? My only advice to Apple at this point is......you really need to TRY HARDER.
Your whinging is noted, but you really aren't in the market for a Mac are you;what you are really looking for is a different job that uses Windows 10 computers and software, just so you can save a few hundred bucks.
I think they are trying to drive the price down instead for greater market penetration. Look at all the craptastic PC machines available. In this case you get an awesome screen with components that you can upgrade if you want, although many people won't have to.
If you want top-end, go for the 27". Both of these products hit a different level of customer.
Yeah those kick ass DIY-PCs get real expensive, real fast. Why even bother building one unless you are going to go top of the line? By the time you get done you'll be up in the Mac Pro price range. But let's compare it to an iMac anyway, jeez!
I can build an 8 Core Monster PC with 32 GB of RAM and nvidia GTX 980 video card for about $2500. Compared that to an 8 core Mac Pro that sells for $5899. And that Monster PC is internally expandable and has a processor that is one-year newer. The Mac Pro has two GPU's, but it's a near worthless implementation (like a fusion drive), as they are slower, non-upgradable, and required OpenCL enhanced software (hard stuff to find) to make use of the extra processor.
Amazing looking new keyboard and trackpad. The iMac itself is cool (besides only being able to configure up to 16GB of RAM), but I'm glad to see ? dropped the AA batteries in the accessories for a rechargeable solution via lightening.
Yep, nice. Apple just keeps moving the ball fwd. Just brilliant designs.
I can't think of any other manufacturer that has such attention to detail. Maybe, BMW with the i-cars, Toyota and the Prius.
I can build an 8 Core Monster PC with 32 GB of RAM and nvidia GTX 980 video card for about $2500. Compared that to an 8 core Mac Pro that sells for $5899. And that Monster PC is internally expandable and has a processor that is one-year newer. The Mac Pro has two GPU's, but it's a near worthless implementation (like a fusion drive), as they are slower, non-upgradable, and required OpenCL enhanced software (hard stuff to find) to make use of the extra processor.
You are correct about the 1 year newer, but for the record, those GPGPU's on the Mac Pro are Pro graphics cards, FirePro's specific to the Mac Pro, not the gaming targeted GTX 980 card that you are using.
Seems odd to make the comparison; like you don't know the difference.
Yep, nice. Apple just keeps moving the ball fwd. Just brilliant designs.
I can't think of any other manufacturer that has such attention to detail. Maybe, BMW with the i-cars, Toyota and the Prius.
From what I have seen, the MS Surface and the Lenovo X1 Carbon have great designs and looks. Regarding cars, if you standard for detail are the BMW i-Series, Toyota's and Prius, then I would like to see your face in front of an Aston Martin, Bentley or RR.
You apparently have no problem affording a top of the line PC, why don't you budget the same amount for your work Mac and go with the Mac Pro?
It's not really cost that bothers me here - it's the game that Apple is playing, which quite frankly, I have grown tired of. Apple shipping slow, decade-old storage technology, isn't helping dismiss the notion that Mac's are merely "Ho-Hum" computers. And worse, users are begin short-changed a great experience all because Apple wants $100 more of glorified profit - for a 24GB flash drive that probably costs them less than $20.
From what I have seen, the MS Surface and the Lenovo X1 Carbon have great designs and looks. Regarding cars, if you standard for detail are the BMW i-Series, Toyota's and Prius, then I would like to see your face in front of an Aston Martin, Bentley or RR.
Perhaps. Aston's are "Garage Art." Bently's and RR's are for plutocrats who don't care about 12MPG. The ICE is a relic, or a least the 12 cylinder is.
To each his own, I guess.
We'll just have to kill more dinosaurs!
Jeremy Clarkson is a bit of a prat, But this video is very well done.
I can build an 8 Core Monster PC with 32 GB of RAM and nvidia GTX 980 video card for about $2500. Compared that to an 8 core Mac Pro that sells for $5899.
You are right. Macs are more expensive, but I just priced out a high end DIY computer over at CDW and I got it up to $4,415 for equivalent specs to the Mac Pro minus the extra GPU. I did add in the cost of Windows 10 Pro and also Office Pro but you are going to need those to do any work and the Mac Pro already comes with OS and productivity suite.
You are correct about the 1 year newer, but for the record, those GPGPU's on the Mac Pro are Pro graphics cards, FirePro's specific to the Mac Pro, not the gaming targeted GTX 980 card that you are using.
Seems odd to make the comparison; like you don't know the difference.
We've benchmarked those "Pro" cards in our lab - they are hamburger at steak prices. The "Pro" designation for graphics cards is really just a rouse to inflate the price.
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Build-to-order configurations can be upgraded to a 3.3-gigahertz quad-core Intel Core 84 processor, as well as Fusion Drives of 1- or 2-terabytes, or a 512-gigabyte flash SSD drive.
Core 84? Is that just a mistype for i5? I've definitely never heard of a Core 84 and a search brings me nothing...
I also use Windows 10..and there's a lot to like about it. Sure Windows can have lower "lows" than Apple Products, but also higher "highs." 3D graphics in particular on a DIY-PC can vastly exceed what a Mac is capable of with better hardware and better drivers for a lot less money. Tim Cook is resting on Laurels with this iMac roll out - a mistake that will cost Apple sales and rightfully so.
So, you have a complaint about build to order, but you turn around and then compare a DIY-PC with the same iMac.
Lame.
Fusion drives are available at Apple stores and retailers; so not uniquely build to order.
My iMac 5K fusion drive;
disk0s2:
Media Name: APPLE SSD SD0128F Media
Size: 120.99 GB (120,988,852,224 bytes)
Medium Type: SSD
Protocol: PCI
Internal: Yes
Partition Map Type: GPT (GUID Partition Table)
Status: Online
S.M.A.R.T. Status: Verified
PV UUID: BDA182D4-6F31-4B1D-B0B5-8CAA0F129936
disk1s2:
Media Name: APPLE HDD ST1000DM003 Media
Size: 999.35 GB (999,345,012,736 bytes)
Medium Type: Rotational
Protocol: SATA
Internal: Yes
Partition Map Type: GPT (GUID Partition Table)
Status: Online
S.M.A.R.T. Status: Verified
PV UUID: DAF0CF6C-0090-4C26-B8B5-68B8B0BDF3E9
Fusion is a great deal for $100 bucks up sell, and more usable than just an SSD for most applications.
Your rant is misplaced.
My rant is precisely placed. Apple just launched a 4K iMac turd, and if I want to polish their turd, I need to fork over another $100 for the dubious distinction of owning a "Fusion" Drive with "24GB of fast flash" according to Apple's own website. That's a ridiculous $4+/GB - the most expensive (and least performing) flash memory on the face of the Earth! Apple is smoking crack!
Fusion drives suck - it's a $100 upcharge for a tiny performance increase. But wait...there's more. Last Generation Intel processors, no USB Type-C ports, and only Intel Graphics driving a 4K display - that's gonna hurt! Apple has lost it's mojo - satisfied with mediocrity.
I've lately been helping my dad find a new laptop for when he works from home, and since it's a work computer we unfortunately have no choice but to make it a Windows laptop. As a baseline I figured I could compare the laptops I searched for to my MacBook Pro 13" Retina, which I bought for $1280 CAD last July, but was actually a late 2013 clearance model. So given it's 2 years later, you'd figure we could get similar specs for maybe $800, or if we had to, $1000.
Almost all the laptops in that range use an i5-5200 which benchmarks way lower (3550) compared to the MacBook's 2-year old i5-4258 (4060). I realize benchmarks don't always properly reflect power/speed, but over 10% difference isn't negligible. You'd expect, since the Windows laptops are using the newer chip, even if it's slower, it's probably more power-efficient, but these laptops don't have even 5 or 6 hours of battery life Vs. the MacBook's 9 hours. Finding anything with more than 4GB RAM was difficult (the MacBook has 8GB) and absolutely none of those laptops have SSDs. This, of course, still ignores the niceties like retina display, auto-adjusting screen brightness, and a great keyboard and glass trackpad (the Windows laptop trackpads don't track a two-finger scroll very well, in the ones that have it).
In other words, Apple definitely hasn't lost their mojo. After 2 years, asking for even a 20-30% discount on hardware in the Windows world isn't possible, because while they might be using more notes, they can't put together the melodies like Apple can. It may seem like some individual components are "mediocre" but Apple knows how to make a whole package with value that I think you'd be hard-pressed to find elsewhere.
So, you have a complaint about build to order, but you turn around and then compare a DIY-PC with the same iMac.
Lame.
Yeah those kick ass DIY-PCs get real expensive, real fast. Why even bother building one unless you are going to go top of the line? By the time you get done you'll be up in the Mac Pro price range. But let's compare it to an iMac anyway, jeez!
Then go get a POS windows then.
Its a free country. No ones forcing you to buy a Mac. And Mac sales are not hurting at all. They have increased market share for the last 10 years.
I don't need to. I already have a Windows 10 PC that handily outscores even an 8 core MacPro in every single benchmark I have thrown at it, but that's not really my point here... I also need to own a Mac (it's a job thing) and I'm tired of having to pay ridiculous up-charges to get simple things, that quite frankly, should have been included in the base price. I didn't have to play this silly game when I built my kick-ass DIY PC? My only advice to Apple at this point is......you really need to TRY HARDER.
I don't need to. I already have a Windows 10 PC that handily outscores even an 8 core MacPro in every single benchmark I have thrown at it, but that's not really my point here... I also need to own a Mac (it's a job thing)
You apparently have no problem affording a top of the line PC, why don't you budget the same amount for your work Mac and go with the Mac Pro?
That is a ridiculous comment.
I don't need to. I already have a Windows 10 PC that handily outscores even an 8 core MacPro in every single benchmark I have thrown at it, but that's not really my point here... I also need to own a Mac (it's a job thing) and I'm tired of having to pay ridiculous up-charges to get simple things, that quite frankly, should have been included in the base price. I didn't have to play this silly game when I built my kick-ass DIY PC? My only advice to Apple at this point is......you really need to TRY HARDER.
Your whinging is noted, but you really aren't in the market for a Mac are you; what you are really looking for is a different job that uses Windows 10 computers and software, just so you can save a few hundred bucks.
Too many ALL CAPS in that post. Blocked.
Thanks, why didn't I think of that? I'm "blocking" all the complainers...
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I think they are trying to drive the price down instead for greater market penetration. Look at all the craptastic PC machines available. In this case you get an awesome screen with components that you can upgrade if you want, although many people won't have to.
If you want top-end, go for the 27". Both of these products hit a different level of customer.
Exactly, good point.
Yeah those kick ass DIY-PCs get real expensive, real fast. Why even bother building one unless you are going to go top of the line? By the time you get done you'll be up in the Mac Pro price range. But let's compare it to an iMac anyway, jeez!
I can build an 8 Core Monster PC with 32 GB of RAM and nvidia GTX 980 video card for about $2500. Compared that to an 8 core Mac Pro that sells for $5899. And that Monster PC is internally expandable and has a processor that is one-year newer. The Mac Pro has two GPU's, but it's a near worthless implementation (like a fusion drive), as they are slower, non-upgradable, and required OpenCL enhanced software (hard stuff to find) to make use of the extra processor.
Amazing looking new keyboard and trackpad. The iMac itself is cool (besides only being able to configure up to 16GB of RAM), but I'm glad to see ? dropped the AA batteries in the accessories for a rechargeable solution via lightening.
Yep, nice. Apple just keeps moving the ball fwd. Just brilliant designs.
I can't think of any other manufacturer that has such attention to detail. Maybe, BMW with the i-cars, Toyota and the Prius.
That is a ridiculous comment.
What, prey tell, is "ridiculous" about it?
I can build an 8 Core Monster PC with 32 GB of RAM and nvidia GTX 980 video card for about $2500. Compared that to an 8 core Mac Pro that sells for $5899. And that Monster PC is internally expandable and has a processor that is one-year newer. The Mac Pro has two GPU's, but it's a near worthless implementation (like a fusion drive), as they are slower, non-upgradable, and required OpenCL enhanced software (hard stuff to find) to make use of the extra processor.
You are correct about the 1 year newer, but for the record, those GPGPU's on the Mac Pro are Pro graphics cards, FirePro's specific to the Mac Pro, not the gaming targeted GTX 980 card that you are using.
Seems odd to make the comparison; like you don't know the difference.
Yep, nice. Apple just keeps moving the ball fwd. Just brilliant designs.
I can't think of any other manufacturer that has such attention to detail. Maybe, BMW with the i-cars, Toyota and the Prius.
From what I have seen, the MS Surface and the Lenovo X1 Carbon have great designs and looks. Regarding cars, if you standard for detail are the BMW i-Series, Toyota's and Prius, then I would like to see your face in front of an Aston Martin, Bentley or RR.
You apparently have no problem affording a top of the line PC, why don't you budget the same amount for your work Mac and go with the Mac Pro?
It's not really cost that bothers me here - it's the game that Apple is playing, which quite frankly, I have grown tired of. Apple shipping slow, decade-old storage technology, isn't helping dismiss the notion that Mac's are merely "Ho-Hum" computers. And worse, users are begin short-changed a great experience all because Apple wants $100 more of glorified profit - for a 24GB flash drive that probably costs them less than $20.
From what I have seen, the MS Surface and the Lenovo X1 Carbon have great designs and looks. Regarding cars, if you standard for detail are the BMW i-Series, Toyota's and Prius, then I would like to see your face in front of an Aston Martin, Bentley or RR.
Perhaps. Aston's are "Garage Art." Bently's and RR's are for plutocrats who don't care about 12MPG. The ICE is a relic, or a least the 12 cylinder is.
To each his own, I guess.
We'll just have to kill more dinosaurs!
Jeremy Clarkson is a bit of a prat, But this video is very well done.
I can build an 8 Core Monster PC with 32 GB of RAM and nvidia GTX 980 video card for about $2500. Compared that to an 8 core Mac Pro that sells for $5899.
You are right. Macs are more expensive, but I just priced out a high end DIY computer over at CDW and I got it up to $4,415 for equivalent specs to the Mac Pro minus the extra GPU. I did add in the cost of Windows 10 Pro and also Office Pro but you are going to need those to do any work and the Mac Pro already comes with OS and productivity suite.
You are correct about the 1 year newer, but for the record, those GPGPU's on the Mac Pro are Pro graphics cards, FirePro's specific to the Mac Pro, not the gaming targeted GTX 980 card that you are using.
Seems odd to make the comparison; like you don't know the difference.
We've benchmarked those "Pro" cards in our lab - they are hamburger at steak prices. The "Pro" designation for graphics cards is really just a rouse to inflate the price.