Apple must be working on it. It seems like such a no-brainer and now that you mention it a touch ID sensor on the keyboard and mouse would be fantastic too. So no matter where you put your hand, BOOM! you are logged in to your machine.
It is very much a "brainer". With a notebook, where everything is integrated, including Touch ID wouldn't be as difficult for unlocking the OS, but with your keyboard and trackpad accessed via BT, you either need to have this work inside one of these BT devices, which complicates their design, and then have a secure method to transmit the security data to the Mac to be analyzed so the OS can be unlocked. If you can't ensure a secure end-to-end custody of your fingerprint data you'd then have to put Touch ID on the Mac itself, which could add some issue. Less issue than if you want to grow this into the Mac Pro or Mac mini, because the iMac does have to be in front of you at all times to use, but likely still not ideal if you have to reach out to your Mac each time.
If Touch ID on Macs aren't possible I'd like to see is the connection with the Apple Watch via BT getting a secondary pairing for Mac access. That means, when my Watch in on my wrist and the passcode entered, and after I've added my password to my Mac for that day, my Mac will automatically lock and unlock based on my proximity using BT signal strength from the device. I walk out of the room and my Mac locks, I walk back in and it unlocks for me.
Disappointing. I like having my desktop and mobile input similar and had hoped Apple would release a combo keyboard & touchpad that resembled that on their latest mobile devices. A separate keyboard and touch pad don't interest me much.
That'd also deal with the problem with using a touch pad on a desktop. I still like using a mouse. A keyboard plus touchpad plus mouse means too much reaching.
Apple must be working on it. It seems like such a no-brainer and now that you mention it a touch ID sensor on the keyboard and mouse would be fantastic too. So no matter where you put your hand, BOOM! you are logged in to your machine.
It is very much a "brainer". With a notebook, where everything is integrated, including Touch ID wouldn't be as difficult for unlocking the OS, but with your keyboard and trackpad accessed via BT, you either need to have this work inside one of these BT devices, which complicates their design, and then have a secure method to transmit the security data to the Mac to be analyzed so the OS can be unlocked. If you can't ensure a secure end-to-end custody of your fingerprint data you'd then have to put Touch ID on the Mac itself, which could add some issue. Less issue than if you want to grow this into the Mac Pro or Mac mini, because the iMac does have to be in front of you at all times to use, but likely still not ideal if you have to reach out to your Mac each time.
If Touch ID on Macs aren't possible I'd like to see is the connection with the Apple Watch via BT getting a secondary pairing for Mac access. That means, when my Watch in on my wrist and the passcode entered, and after I've added my password to my Mac for that day, my Mac will automatically lock and unlock based on my proximity using BT signal strength from the device. I walk out of the room and my Mac locks, I walk back in and it unlocks for me.
I have faith that if they can figure out wireless payments with the phone and watch they surely could figure out a way to securely put a touch ID on the mouses, keyboards and trackpads.
Maybe it's not possible with blue tooth, I honestly don't know. And NFC seems like a non-starter since the distance seems too far to be doable.
Regardless, it's fun worth wanting and hopefully they come out with a solution.
I like your idea of if you are wearing your watch or have your phone you could lock/unlock. Even if you left your phone next to your Mac, if you locked your Mac before walking away, you would still need your fingerprint on the phone to unlock the Mac.
Interesting. I ditched the mouse when the first trackpad came out and when I went to a new client that issued me a computer I had them get one for me for their office as well... I only use 20th century technology when I have to
Honestly though, I found the trackpad much easier to use than a mouse on a desktop.
Me too. It took me awhile to get used to the trackpad on my iMac (got one when it first came out). Sold the magic mouse right away and never looked back.
Since a lot of people are using Apple laptops, I think Apple was making the desktop keyboards/trackpads similar to the laptops so people wouldn't feel a difference going between machines. (I may be stating the obvious.)
To me, I love the Apple keyboard, trackpad and the 21st century!
I have faith that if they can figure out wireless payments with the phone and watch they surely could figure out a way to securely put a touch ID on the mouses, keyboards and trackpads.
Maybe it's not possible with blue tooth, I honestly don't know. And NFC seems like a non-starter since the distance seems too far to be doable.
Regardless, it's fun worth wanting and hopefully they come out with a solution.
I like your idea of if you are wearing your watch or have your phone you could lock/unlock. Even if you left your phone next to your Mac, if you locked your Mac before walking away, you would still need your fingerprint on the phone to unlock the Mac.
Apple Pay is very different from Touch ID. That adds an additional wrinkle I choose to not even mention in my previous comment, because it was already a complex enough issue. Touch ID ? Apple Pay. Apple Pay, simply utilizes Touch ID for convenience. Note that on the Watch there isn't even an option for Touch ID, just the PIN you input when you put it on.
The secure element for Apple Pay could easily be on each Mac, and authentication could a variety of things, but don't have to be Touch ID. Remember that Touch ID is a convenience feature, which is why when your iPhone restarts you have to input your passcode first before Touch ID will work.
Wait, where are the people that said this wouldn't happen when the rumours dropped, and argued it was easier to replace batteries by finding a quarter to use a screwdriver, twisting it off, pouring out the batteries, finding and putting the new ones in, screwing the hatch back on, turning on the peripheral again so it can pair, over just taking a second to pop a plug in the peripheral and letting it sit for a few minutes when you're not using that same cable to charge your iPhone or iPad?
I wish they put a fingerprint sensor in these new trackpads and make touchID a part of OSX
I agree, it seems like a natural extension of the Touch ID from the iPhone.
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Touch ID cannot come to OSX because it and Macs are too open.. Hackers would easily take apart a Mac and reverse engineer Touch ID to allow fraudulent acts.
Only if Macs were totally locked down and remote controlled like iPhones are could Touch ID be feasible. But who would want such a Mac? No body.
Apple has a campus full of smart people, and are sitting on a dragon's lair of cash. If they can build a secure Touch ID for the iPhone, and the password-based File Vault for the Mac, surely there's a viable solution for Touch ID on the Mac itself. Even if only for normal login access or periodically verifying my iCloud passwords (which I've seen more of in 10.10.5 that any other version combined).
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich
Due to existing laws, you'd be exchanging your own right to privacy for a little convenience. Not a good trade, IMO.
Its OS X, let me decide where to draw the line in terms of what it does – and doesn't – unlock.
Disappointing. I like having my desktop and mobile input similar and had hoped Apple would release a combo keyboard & touchpad that resembled that on their latest mobile devices. A separate keyboard and touch pad don't interest me much.
That'd also deal with the problem with using a touch pad on a desktop. I still like using a mouse. A keyboard plus touchpad plus mouse means too much reaching.
Maybe it's just me, but I see you and your keyboard soaked in tears every time I read a post of yours.
Wait, where are the people that said this wouldn't happen when the rumours dropped, and argued it was easier to replace batteries by finding a quarter to use a screwdriver, twisting it off, pouring out the batteries, finding and putting the new ones in, screwing the hatch back on, turning on the peripheral again so it can pair, over just taking a second to pop a plug in the peripheral and letting it sit for a few minutes when you're not using that same cable to charge your iPhone or iPad?
Of course, the one nice thing about using rechargeable AAs is they can be replaced when worn out without replacing the mouse/trackpad/keyboard.
That said, I see at least the new trackpad in my future.
I've got one of the original Magic Trackpads and the design isn't great. The mechanical pressure sensors at the bottom mean that it can only be used on flat surface. If the front falls between two pieces of wood in my desk, it stops working. Looks like they've solved that problem with the new version.
I've got one of the original Magic Trackpads and the design isn't great. The mechanical pressure sensors at the bottom mean that it can only be used on flat surface. If the front falls between two pieces of wood in my desk, it stops working. Looks like they've solved that problem with the new version.
The worst part is that Apple doesn’t change prices mid-revision, so when everything collapses in the next year or so, we’ll be stuck with these prices as all other prices plummet.
Originally Posted by Steve Chavez
Magic Trackpad refreshes aren't daily and tech gets cheaper over time...
And yet Apple doesn’t lower prices mid-revision, so we’ll have to wait another FIVE YEARS for a price change, it seems.
The worst part is that Apple doesn’t change prices mid-revision, so when everything collapses in the next year or so, we’ll be stuck with these prices as all other prices plummet.
And yet Apple doesn’t lower prices mid-revision, so we’ll have to wait another FIVE YEARS for a price change, it seems.
My pointing device I am using on my Mac mini is a $5 mouse. Even on my MacbookPro I always add a mouse, I find it for most (but not all) tasks easier to use than the included trackpad.
This new trackpad maybe slightly better than the mouse I am using now, but not 25 times better.
Interesting. I ditched the mouse when the first trackpad came out and when I went to a new client that issued me a computer I had them get one for me for their office as well... I only use 20th century technology when I have to
Honestly though, I found the trackpad much easier to use than a mouse on a desktop.
It's interesting, I definitely didn't like using the trackpad on my G3 iBook, and had a cheap mouse I carried with it to use when there was desk space available, but I find the one on my 2008 MacBook much nicer to use. Also, I find the chief advantage with the Magic Trackpad is being able to place it somewhere other than between me and the keyboard, which is still my biggest complaint about notebook trackpads.
For the record, I still don't like using the trackpad on my work (Windows) machine, largely because it has no Multitouch, and two finger scrolling, in particular, doesn't work.
The only reason I'm not buying a new Magic Trackpad is the price. The Australian price is A$200. I'll have to wait until our dollar gets back up, or Officeworks has them on special offer.
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It is very much a "brainer". With a notebook, where everything is integrated, including Touch ID wouldn't be as difficult for unlocking the OS, but with your keyboard and trackpad accessed via BT, you either need to have this work inside one of these BT devices, which complicates their design, and then have a secure method to transmit the security data to the Mac to be analyzed so the OS can be unlocked. If you can't ensure a secure end-to-end custody of your fingerprint data you'd then have to put Touch ID on the Mac itself, which could add some issue. Less issue than if you want to grow this into the Mac Pro or Mac mini, because the iMac does have to be in front of you at all times to use, but likely still not ideal if you have to reach out to your Mac each time.
If Touch ID on Macs aren't possible I'd like to see is the connection with the Apple Watch via BT getting a secondary pairing for Mac access. That means, when my Watch in on my wrist and the passcode entered, and after I've added my password to my Mac for that day, my Mac will automatically lock and unlock based on my proximity using BT signal strength from the device. I walk out of the room and my Mac locks, I walk back in and it unlocks for me.
That'd also deal with the problem with using a touch pad on a desktop. I still like using a mouse. A keyboard plus touchpad plus mouse means too much reaching.
Thank you for your volunteer moderation service ????
Funny!
Apple must be working on it. It seems like such a no-brainer and now that you mention it a touch ID sensor on the keyboard and mouse would be fantastic too. So no matter where you put your hand, BOOM! you are logged in to your machine.
It is very much a "brainer". With a notebook, where everything is integrated, including Touch ID wouldn't be as difficult for unlocking the OS, but with your keyboard and trackpad accessed via BT, you either need to have this work inside one of these BT devices, which complicates their design, and then have a secure method to transmit the security data to the Mac to be analyzed so the OS can be unlocked. If you can't ensure a secure end-to-end custody of your fingerprint data you'd then have to put Touch ID on the Mac itself, which could add some issue. Less issue than if you want to grow this into the Mac Pro or Mac mini, because the iMac does have to be in front of you at all times to use, but likely still not ideal if you have to reach out to your Mac each time.
If Touch ID on Macs aren't possible I'd like to see is the connection with the Apple Watch via BT getting a secondary pairing for Mac access. That means, when my Watch in on my wrist and the passcode entered, and after I've added my password to my Mac for that day, my Mac will automatically lock and unlock based on my proximity using BT signal strength from the device. I walk out of the room and my Mac locks, I walk back in and it unlocks for me.
I have faith that if they can figure out wireless payments with the phone and watch they surely could figure out a way to securely put a touch ID on the mouses, keyboards and trackpads.
Maybe it's not possible with blue tooth, I honestly don't know. And NFC seems like a non-starter since the distance seems too far to be doable.
Regardless, it's fun worth wanting and hopefully they come out with a solution.
I like your idea of if you are wearing your watch or have your phone you could lock/unlock. Even if you left your phone next to your Mac, if you locked your Mac before walking away, you would still need your fingerprint on the phone to unlock the Mac.
Interesting. I ditched the mouse when the first trackpad came out and when I went to a new client that issued me a computer I had them get one for me for their office as well... I only use 20th century technology when I have to
Honestly though, I found the trackpad much easier to use than a mouse on a desktop.
Me too. It took me awhile to get used to the trackpad on my iMac (got one when it first came out). Sold the magic mouse right away and never looked back.
Since a lot of people are using Apple laptops, I think Apple was making the desktop keyboards/trackpads similar to the laptops so people wouldn't feel a difference going between machines. (I may be stating the obvious.)
To me, I love the Apple keyboard, trackpad and the 21st century!
Apple Pay is very different from Touch ID. That adds an additional wrinkle I choose to not even mention in my previous comment, because it was already a complex enough issue. Touch ID ? Apple Pay. Apple Pay, simply utilizes Touch ID for convenience. Note that on the Watch there isn't even an option for Touch ID, just the PIN you input when you put it on.
The secure element for Apple Pay could easily be on each Mac, and authentication could a variety of things, but don't have to be Touch ID. Remember that Touch ID is a convenience feature, which is why when your iPhone restarts you have to input your passcode first before Touch ID will work.
I wish they put a fingerprint sensor in these new trackpads and make touchID a part of OSX
I agree, it seems like a natural extension of the Touch ID from the iPhone.
Touch ID cannot come to OSX because it and Macs are too open.. Hackers would easily take apart a Mac and reverse engineer Touch ID to allow fraudulent acts.
Only if Macs were totally locked down and remote controlled like iPhones are could Touch ID be feasible. But who would want such a Mac? No body.
Apple has a campus full of smart people, and are sitting on a dragon's lair of cash. If they can build a secure Touch ID for the iPhone, and the password-based File Vault for the Mac, surely there's a viable solution for Touch ID on the Mac itself. Even if only for normal login access or periodically verifying my iCloud passwords (which I've seen more of in 10.10.5 that any other version combined).
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Due to existing laws, you'd be exchanging your own right to privacy for a little convenience. Not a good trade, IMO.
Its OS X, let me decide where to draw the line in terms of what it does – and doesn't – unlock.
According to 9to5Mac (yeah, I know) the patent for this goes back to 2007, and includes the use of a fingerprint sensor in laptops.
Maybe it's just me, but I see you and your keyboard soaked in tears every time I read a post of yours.
Maybe it's just me, but I see you and your keyboard soaked in tears every time I read a post of yours.
That's got to be bad for the built-in battery
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Wait, where are the people that said this wouldn't happen when the rumours dropped, and argued it was easier to replace batteries by finding a quarter to use a screwdriver, twisting it off, pouring out the batteries, finding and putting the new ones in, screwing the hatch back on, turning on the peripheral again so it can pair, over just taking a second to pop a plug in the peripheral and letting it sit for a few minutes when you're not using that same cable to charge your iPhone or iPad?
Of course, the one nice thing about using rechargeable AAs is they can be replaced when worn out without replacing the mouse/trackpad/keyboard.
That said, I see at least the new trackpad in my future.
Looks to me like the [B]combined[/B] cost of the new mouse and trackpad makes the price $129.
Not $129 by itself.
I've got one of the original Magic Trackpads and the design isn't great. The mechanical pressure sensors at the bottom mean that it can only be used on flat surface. If the front falls between two pieces of wood in my desk, it stops working. Looks like they've solved that problem with the new version.
The new one definitely looks better.
Looks to me like the combined cost of the new mouse and trackpad makes the price $129.
Not $129 by itself.
That is only if you are buying a new Mac as far as I can tell.
If you already have a Mac the mouse 2 is $79 and then the trackpad 2 is another $129.
Where do you see an option for a magical mouse 2/trackpad 2 combo on Apple.com for $129 without buying a new computer?
I can't find it.
You may be right.
That is only if you are buying a new Mac as far as I can tell.
If you already have a Mac the mouse 2 is $79 and then the trackpad 2 is another $129.
Where do you see an option for a magical mouse 2/trackpad 2 combo on Apple.com for $129 without buying a new computer?
I can't find it.
You may be right.
That being said, if you are buying a new Mac, not a bad deal to essentially get the new mouse 2 for free.
The worst part is that Apple doesn’t change prices mid-revision, so when everything collapses in the next year or so, we’ll be stuck with these prices as all other prices plummet.
And yet Apple doesn’t lower prices mid-revision, so we’ll have to wait another FIVE YEARS for a price change, it seems.
The worst part is that Apple doesn’t change prices mid-revision, so when everything collapses in the next year or so, we’ll be stuck with these prices as all other prices plummet.
And yet Apple doesn’t lower prices mid-revision, so we’ll have to wait another FIVE YEARS for a price change, it seems.
They do in other countries when the dollar falls
For the record, I still don't like using the trackpad on my work (Windows) machine, largely because it has no Multitouch, and two finger scrolling, in particular, doesn't work.
The only reason I'm not buying a new Magic Trackpad is the price. The Australian price is A$200. I'll have to wait until our dollar gets back up, or Officeworks has them on special offer.