Think Secret : Ban On Rumor Press at MWNY

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in General Discussion edited January 2014
Think Secret has an interesting piece about how Apple is putting the smack down on any and all websites that have posted rumors or linked to rumor stories in the past by refusing to issue press creds to representatives from those sites.



Here's the <a href="http://thinksecret.com/news/editorialpressaccess.html"; target="_blank">link ---&gt;</a>



Any thoughts?
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  • Reply 1 of 66
    rogue27rogue27 Posts: 607member
    Well, it sounds sleazy and underhanded the way that article is written, but at the same time it's not a like a rumor site is "real news" anyway and as such, they don't really deserve press credentials. They can still go to the show the same way everybody else does.



    I mean, I'd hardly consider anything I've ever seen on SpyMac to be what I would call "journalism".
  • Reply 2 of 66
    crusadercrusader Posts: 1,129member
    I can see how this could piss of big news sites like News.com, and means that sites like The Mac Observer and MacAddict will not have rumor roundups before the Keynote. I don't like it.
  • Reply 3 of 66
    spartspart Posts: 2,060member
    Too me this just sounds like de Plume whining his @$$ off. Don't get me wrong, I like TS and speak with him on occasion, but this isn't even newsworthy. Companies do this all the time, especially larger ones like Apple. False rumors that raise expectations can damage Apple. I think de Plume's larger concern is the few hundred dollars a month he makes off those hundreds of advertisements strewn all over his site. He knows exactly why Apple is doing this but he also knows it could be damaging to him and his source of income. Oh well. The government cracking down on child pornography hurts the child pornographer's incomes, but arguably it's for the better. de Plume went a little too far with regard to how much b!tching and whining he did in his 'report.'
  • Reply 4 of 66
    powerdocpowerdoc Posts: 8,123member
    [quote]Originally posted by Spart:

    <strong>Too me this just sounds like de Plume whining his @$$ off. Don't get me wrong, I like TS and speak with him on occasion, but this isn't even newsworthy. Companies do this all the time, especially larger ones like Apple. False rumors that raise expectations can damage Apple. I think de Plume's larger concern is the few hundred dollars a month he makes off those hundreds of advertisements strewn all over his site. He knows exactly why Apple is doing this but he also knows it could be damaging to him and his source of income. Oh well. The government cracking down on child pornography hurts the child pornographer's incomes, but arguably it's for the better. de Plume went a little too far with regard to how much b!tching and whining he did in his 'report.'</strong><hr></blockquote>

    The comparision between Think Secret and child pornography is not very good. Child pornography imply bad things for the child involved.

    I quite understand that Apple try to control everything in order to earn more $, just like microsoft, but we , even if we are apple fans, we are not stupid customers, we appreciate infos that let us buy Apple stuff in a intelligent way.

    Imagine that you buy a dual 1 ghz powermac and the next month you see the release of a G5 for the same prize. Good for Apple, bad for you.

    The media are made for us (the customers) and not for the pleasure of Apple.
  • Reply 5 of 66
    cindercinder Posts: 381member
    I find your comparision of a pedophile and a rumor site publisher extremely offensive.



    I think you owe an apology.
  • Reply 6 of 66
    spartspart Posts: 2,060member
    I don't think you're getting my point. Apple just lowered it's earnings expectations and right now the last thing it needs is an over-hyped MWNY due to some false rumors spread across the web. The entire tech industry is in a slump and Apple is faced with the possibility of turning a loss in the future. If Apple goes under, who's going to care about Apple Rumors then?



    [quote]Originally posted by powerdoc:

    The comparision between Think Secret and child pornography is not very good. Child pornography imply bad things for the child involved.<hr></blockquote>



    Yes and rumors may imply bad things for the company(ies) involved.



    [quote]Originally posted by powerdoc:

    I quite understand that Apple try to control everything in order to earn more $, just like microsoft, but we , even if we are apple fans, we are not stupid customers, we appreciate infos that let us buy Apple stuff in a intelligent way.<hr></blockquote>



    You're not getting what im saying. We know that Apple will update the products every six months or so. Why? Trends. What they want to control are the false rumors that raise expectations beyond what they should be. False rumors aren't going to let us buy Apple stuff in an inteligent way by a long shot, and they only damage Apple.



    [quote]Originally posted by powerdoc:

    Imagine that you buy a dual 1 ghz powermac and the next month you see the release of a G5 for the same prize. Good for Apple, bad for you.<hr></blockquote>



    If you knew anything about anything, you wouldn't have bought the PowerMac. You KNOW that MWNY is right around the corner. And the last time the PM was updated was about 5.5 months ago. Seems timely for an update, no?



    [quote]Originally posted by powerdoc:

    The media are made for us (the customers) and not for the pleasure of Apple.<hr></blockquote>



    The media is controlled by larger companies. Get used to it.



    [quote]Originally posted by cinder:

    I find your comparision of a pedophile and a rumor site publisher extremely offensive.



    I think you owe an apology.
    <hr></blockquote>



    Which I will not give. Replace child pornographer with software pirate and be on your merry way.
  • Reply 7 of 66
    rokrok Posts: 3,519member
    another thing: macworld has both commented directly through their editorial features on runors, and indirectly, though their maccentral subsidiary when they have picked up on the rumor mill stories.



    gosh, you think apple would ban macworld from press credentials... at macworld new york???



    now that's a funny thought.
  • Reply 8 of 66
    splinemodelsplinemodel Posts: 7,311member
    His merits as a CEO are one thing, but the more I learn about Steve, the more I realize that the guy is a dickhead. Reasoning? Let's just say I've casually spoken with certain employees of Apple. None of them seem too displeased though. I'm sure he's not awful, but I think it wouldn't hurt for Steve to be a little more smooth about life. Buy a place in Hawaii and chill for a few months. (I bet he already has)



    I bet youthful exhuberance combined with his dickhead attitude were probably what got him fired in the first place. Age seems to have given him some wisdom, but he still seems like a big kid.
  • Reply 9 of 66
    serranoserrano Posts: 1,806member
    bullshit.



    ...so macworld can no longer post or publish the rumor buzz?
  • Reply 10 of 66
    I don't see what the big deal is. It's Apple's show. They can invite whoever they want and give passes to whoever they want. I don't question the mothership. So far they have treated me well.
  • Reply 11 of 66
    amorphamorph Posts: 7,112member
    [quote]Originally posted by Spart:

    <strong>Replace child pornographer with software pirate and be on your merry way.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    You're still off. The ability to publish rumors, tips, and documents that arrive in the night in unlabeled envelopes is an important right of the press. Corporations might not like it, but that's the point. Corporations have PR departments to offer their own spins on things.



    MWNY is not Apple's show. It's MacWorld Expo's. That said, they can issue press passes at their discretion, and I don't doubt that their discretion is heavily influenced by Apple's. Apple can't legally prevent the publication of anonymously received rumors (at least, not yet, although the courts have been increasingly totalitarian in recent years) but they don't have to do the rumors sites any favors, either.



    [ 07-02-2002: Message edited by: Amorph ]</p>
  • Reply 12 of 66
    buonrottobuonrotto Posts: 6,368member
    Apple can't enforce the policy strictly anyway. Remember when MacWeek got the pictures of the Kihei iMacs along with a ll the usual suspacts of the Mac rumor world? They were the only one that didn't back down from the legal threats and lo and behold, nothing happened. News.com, Macworld, The New York Times, whoever else that are well,um, represented, have nothing to worry about, and Apple knows it too.
  • Reply 13 of 66
    DePlume is just full of hot air. Think Secret is hard-up for rumors right now and he's annoyed because they aren't going to let him into their party. Five pages of ranting about it changes nothing, particularly if he was intending to use that poorly-written tyrade to alter anyone's opinion about Apple. Does anyone honestly believe that the headquarters in Cupertino consists of 6 of our best friends who will do anything to please us?



    DePlume may as well have spent his time writing up a dissertation on how the legislature must pass a law that forbids any citizen from holding a closed meeting, organizing a members-only club, or having a slumber party.



    -- PEte
  • Reply 14 of 66
    kukukuku Posts: 254member
    I don't think the author went too far. At least not as far as some other "journalists" would go.



    He does try to point out the positives and negitives on the issue. Such that, control is power, and power can currupt leading to rebellion. Ala, M$.



    I always believe in freedom of the press, but the press is pretty sleezy.



    I agree with the author, Apple needs to mingle and prefect this age old dance, not try to force everyone into a march with them in the front.



    I'm sure there are a few alternative ways to control the flow of information, like selective rumor feeding. Half truths aren't always bad.



    ~Kuku
  • Reply 15 of 66
    spartspart Posts: 2,060member
    You all raise interesting points but I don't think many of you are seeing the whole picture. Apple isn't here to please you in every way, it's here to make great products and most of all turn a profit. And it will do whatever it can (within reason) to attain greater profit. You all know the buzz SJ likes to get at the keynotes, and he doesn't want that ruined by everyone expecting 1.6GHz G5's. It's better if we go just to see what comes up and make our own conclusions on how good it is in comparison with what we had before and what the rest of the industry is doing.
  • Reply 16 of 66
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 16,923member
    Well, Apple has basically done a lot of damage to itself with its BS hype that it couldn't live up to.



    They also can't give customers what they want: Performance for the Pro line. I love the platform, but am I supposed to get all giddy over even a 1.4 GHZ chip with 133 DDR RAM? Even that would be pathetic.



    I'll never go back to Windows. Never. But, let's not fool ourselves here. Apple will have trouble blowing away the industry with PR buzz when they continually sell machines with 1.5 GHZ clock deficits.



    It used to be that Apple really DID push the performance standard. Now, we are supposed to be thrilled when they are going to possibly ship a DDR 266 or 333 system with (GASP) a "blazing fast" 1.4 GHZ chip?



    The point is Apple should never have stoked the fires like they did for last MW. It's one thing to have a chip clockspeed problem, but when you put on your web site that you are going to release something no one can imagine, then you come out with an 800MHZ G4 iMac with 15" flat panel, you have got be kidding me.
  • Reply 17 of 66
    spartspart Posts: 2,060member
    Which is exactly why it wants to silence the rumor press...so as not to raise expectations!!!



    Here is a really good quote from the <a href="http://www.macrumors.com/forums/showthread.php3?threadid=7176"; target="_blank">MacRumors Forums</a>:



    [quote]Originally posted by groupeone:

    Forgive me for throwing water on the passionate commentary by Think Secret. I'll admit to spending way too much time on the Mac rumor sites. I'm always fascinated and appreciative for what they discover, but I approach them at the same time with a note of skepticism at what are often total flights of fantasy, or at worst sheer posturing for what they would like to see.



    It should come as no surprise to the rumor site operators that Apple will jealously defend its right to privacy, even secrecy over its intellectual capital. While the sites certainly stir interest and speculation, by speculating incorrectly, the sites can falsely raise expectations to unreasonable levels (iWalk or G5, anyone?). And that can damage Apple's credibilty. Further, is it any surprise that Steve Jobs and others at Apple like to control the flow of news, or prevent spoiling good surprises?



    Freedom of speech may be a God-given right in the United States, one we tend to take for granted. But there is no absolute right that a company must make its trade secrets transparent for all to see. Following this argument, a press pass is a priviledge, not a right. Ditto for news access. Until such a time as the courts mandate that equal access must be given to rumor sites as mainstream news media, the passionate arguments of Think Secret simply lack merit.



    Sorry guys. I love a lot of your reporting. But you and your rumor site bretheren must be aware that this is part of the risks of your business. It will make dumpster diving somewhat more difficult, but there is a price of doing business in every trade, including rumor mills.
    <hr></blockquote>



    I think it would do many of you good to read some the posts in that thread. Apple has rights to certain things as well.
  • Reply 18 of 66
    [quote]Originally posted by Spart:

    <strong>Apple isn't here to please you in every way, it's here to make great products and most of all turn a profit. </strong><hr></blockquote>



    And I, the consumer, am working to get the greatest products at the best price/performance ratio possible. Believe me, I know Apple is not my friend and really does not care what I think. Likewise, I work for my own best interests and when our interests intersect any positive effects to Apple are purely unintentional on my part. I know what Apple's interests are but being a Mac fan doesn't make me oblivious to my own interests. At about $3000 a full system upgrade is a very big purchase for me and as much as possible I am going to get the most bang for my buck. Steve isn't going to send me a complimentary upgrade when updates the Mac Line 14 days after I bring mine home and I feel no obligation to give him the chance to do that to me.
  • Reply 19 of 66
    kukukuku Posts: 254member
    That's economics' checks and balances.



    Suppliers have a right of trying to put things to the best of their advantages, consumers have a the same right too.



    This is what the author is talking about when the article uses "dance". It's two parts. Apple and the consumer. Neither one should have enough power to push over the other.



    This time apple may have pushed a little too far, and the journalist tries to push them back. It will be a while before we know who won and what will be accepted by the people.



    Give and take, it's the same for both sides.



    Whinners always seem to miss this fact. There is nothing "due" to them from Apple. Apple as a corporate enitity is just as selfesh as the whinners. IF you aim too high, you'll never get the anything is the moral of the story I guess.



    ~Kuku
  • Reply 20 of 66
    stevesteve Posts: 523member
    Anyway, this can only mean two things: there is going to be a G5, or there is going to be a PowerMac so laughably underpowered, that our friend Juan in the commercial is going to go, "Ehhh, man... Que es up con the performance, anh? Salchicha, man... soy getting a PC again..."
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