Apple's iPhone 6s awarded top smartphone sales share in China, outpacing Xiaomi, Huawei

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Counterpoint Research reported that Apple's iPhone 6s "broke records" in China, selling 7 million units in a month to reach a leading 19 percent share of smartphone sales in September.


Source: Counterpoint Research


Led by the popularity of a new Rose Gold finish option, iPhone 6s pushed Apple ahead of second place Huawei and third place Xiaomi, while Samsung dropped significantly in China's smartphone rankings. The firm noted that Apple also led smartphone sales in the U.S., giving the company "two crowns" across both of the world's largest two phone handset markets.

The firm states that its Monthly Market Pulse market share data "is based on sell-through (sales) surveyed at major mass retailers, distributors across different markets (35 countries) by Counterpoint Research's team plus cross checks with supply chain surveys, demand-side surveys & expert Analyst estimates, to complete the global monthly sales database."

Counterpoint's Research Director, Tom Kang stated in a release that "Apple has now conquered the Chinese market so it will come under sustained attack from local competitors. But it is becoming an embedded brand in China, standing for luxury and high quality."

Colleague Peter Richardson added that "with an iron grip on the US market and increasingly secure position in China, India will likely be Apple's next target market. But India is a very different market to China and will consequently require a separate and distinct strategic approach."

Apple is set to deliver its quarterly earnings report at the close of business today.
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  • Reply 1 of 32
    I guess this is Samsung's "Next Big Dip"
  • Reply 2 of 32
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,165member
    sog35 wrote: »
    Apple is dominating yet the stock price says Microsoft is eating its lunch.

    <img alt="" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="64698" data-type="61" src="http://forums.appleinsider.com/content/type/61/id/64698/width/500/height/1000/flags/LL" style="; width: 500px; height: 413px">


    Its time for Apple shareholders to demand the company go private to stop the Wall Street manipulation.  How the HELL does the stock price show the last FIVE YEARS that Microsoft is out performing Apple?  
    What effect does the stock price have on Apple finances? Honest question. AFAIK Apple gets nothing when a share is sold so I really don't understand completely why Apple the company needs to react to these fluctuations.
  • Reply 3 of 32

    Good news for today's 1Q forecast.

    Time will tell.

  • Reply 4 of 32
    nagrommenagromme Posts: 2,834member
    Apple CANNOT penetrate the Chinese market at ALL without a phone made of cardboard that is dropped for free from airplanes. Analysts know this. Wake up, Apple :)
  • Reply 5 of 32
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    Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

     

    Apple is dominating yet the stock price says Microsoft is eating its lunch.

     

    Its time for Apple shareholders to demand the company go private to stop the Wall Street manipulation.  How the HELL does the stock price show the last FIVE YEARS that Microsoft is out performing Apple?  


     

    As a shareholder why would I want Apple to go private? I would immediately be cashed out (including having to pay hefty taxes on my shares at $10.43, $27.84, $55.89 basis)  at whatever one-time price would be offered and from then on I would no longer have any ability to profit from Apple's longterm growth. If you don't like what's happening with the price, sell your shares. But advocating that Apple go private in response to "lack of understanding" on Wall Street would hurt all shareholders who believe that, over time, the short-term gyrations in the stock price don't matter.

  • Reply 6 of 32

    The stock market is always right. The only wrong is yourself. Apple is too large to go private.

  • Reply 7 of 32
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    Counterpoint Research reported that Apple's iPhone 6s "broke records" in China, selling 7 million units in a month to reach a leading 19 percent share of smartphone sales in September.

     


     

     

    This graph perfectly illustrates how Apple is killing Samsung in the market. We have seen it repeated every quarter now for almost 2 years how Apple iPhone sales are climbing YOY and Samsung flagships are falling YOY.

     

    And look at Apple vs Samsung in this graph. Apple climbing and Samsung falling while the other major players are doing their own thing. You'd have to be delusional to think that other phone makers are responsible for Samsung's losses - it's Apple.

     

    Forget the courts - Apple already went thermonuclear on Samsung in the market.

  • Reply 8 of 32
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

     

    Apple is dominating yet the stock price says Microsoft is eating its lunch.

     

    Its time for Apple shareholders to demand the company go private to stop the Wall Street manipulation.  How the HELL does the stock price show the last FIVE YEARS that Microsoft is out performing Apple?  


     

    As a shareholder why would I want Apple to go private? I would immediately be cashed out (including having to pay hefty taxes on my shares at $10.43, $27.84, $55.89 basis)  at whatever one-time price would be offered and from then on I would no longer have any ability to profit from Apple's longterm growth. If you don't like what's happening with the price, sell your shares. But advocating that Apple go private in response to "lack of understanding" on Wall Street would hurt all shareholders who believe that, over time, the short-term gyrations in the stock price don't matter.


    He's been told a million times by a million different people a million different ways that his proposal makes no sense whatsoever.

     

    But he's stuck.... my simple advice is, ignore.

  • Reply 9 of 32
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    You won't have to sell your shares.

     

    Your shares would simply be converted from public shares to private shares held in a mutual fund.

    You will still be able to collect dividends and sell your shares when you want to (just like any mutual fund)

     

    The benefit is the private shares held in a Mutual fund would be untouchable by daytraders, algo machines, and market manipulators because of the trading restrictions on Mutual funds.  It would also stop the options market and short sellers since the shares are off of the public exchanges.

     

    IMO, this would stabalize the price and the attract long-term investors instead of being at the mercy of day traders, short sellers, options sellers, market manipulators, and algo machines.


     

    Well, that's your concept but it's not the way going private works. You're supposing that there would be some sort of investment vehicle created that would be able to own a chunk of Apple and that sell shares openly to the public. When a company goes public it does so by selling debt with the equity ownership then being held by a small group of partners. I doubt that the SEC would allow one of the equity partners to, in effect, create a sub-market of publicly traded shares.

  • Reply 10 of 32
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,165member
    sog35 wrote: »
    And yet Samsung's stock is up 15% the last year.
    And yet Apples's stock is up only 8% the last year.
    Then from a near-term investors viewpoint Samsung would have been the better investment, correct?
  • Reply 11 of 32
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    So was the stock market right when it valued Enron?

    Was the stock market right in 1999 right before the tech bust?

    Give me a break.

     

    Apple is not to large to go private.

    They would simply have to convert the public shares into private shares.  No cash would even need to be exchanged as long as the shareholders approve of the conversion.  Those who want to sell (which will be very few) can easily be paid with Apple's $200 billion in cash.  I think only 10-25% of shareholders would elect to sell.  Apple could easily pay that.


     

    If the market were wrong, why so many traders/investors could win their money from the market?

    Only if you couldn't get your profit from the market, it means you are not smart enough and there is nothing to do with anyone.

  • Reply 12 of 32
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,165member
    sog35 wrote: »
    facts are facts.  yes Samsung would be the better invest for 1 year period.

    And Microsoft would be the better investment from 1 year to 5 years.  Which is total insanity.
    Insanity would be continuing to do the same thing expecting a different result. You're not big enough to influence the stock market. The smart play would be go with the flow instead of arguing there's a rational reason for it to perform differently as tho that would have any predictable effect on Apple stock prices.
  • Reply 13 of 32
    larryjwlarryjw Posts: 832member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

     

     

    You won't have to sell your shares.

     

    Your shares would simply be converted from public shares to private shares held in a mutual fund.

    You will still be able to collect dividends and sell your shares when you want to (just like any mutual fund)

     

    The benefit is the private shares held in a Mutual fund would be untouchable by daytraders, algo machines, and market manipulators because of the trading restrictions on Mutual funds.  It would also stop the options market and short sellers since the shares are off of the public exchanges.

     

    IMO, this would stabalize the price and the attract long-term investors instead of being at the mercy of day traders, short sellers, options sellers, market manipulators, and algo machines.




    Apple and us little shareholders are being manipulated by the financial sector, while these guys rape the economy and produce the 1%ers who produce nothing. Stabilize the markets with draconian taxes which prevent computerized trading, and encourage holding stocks for a minimum of say one month before they can be traded. Stock speculation should be taxed at 200%. 

  • Reply 14 of 32
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    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

     

    He's been told a million times by a million different people a million different ways that his proposal makes no sense whatsoever.

     

    But he's stuck.... my simple advice is, ignore.




    Good advice. He obviously has no clue about restrictions on privately held stock, e.g no more than 2,000 shareholders per the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Apple could, in theory, create a subsidiary that issues publicly traded stock but there would be no point in doing that since, if those shares had meaningful participation in the Apple cash flow then they would be subject to the same "manipulations" that he complain about.

  • Reply 15 of 32
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,866member
    Wait I thought China is too poor and Apple needs a cheap iPhone to succeed. My faith in analysts has decreased.
  • Reply 16 of 32
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

     

    He's been told a million times by a million different people a million different ways that his proposal makes no sense whatsoever.

     

    But he's stuck.... my simple advice is, ignore.


     

    Totally agree. Just ignore this guy!

  • Reply 17 of 32
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,866member
    gatorguy wrote: »
    What effect does the stock price have on Apple finances? Honest question. AFAIK Apple gets nothing when a share is sold so I really don't understand completely why Apple the company needs to react to these fluctuations.

    It doesn't but the average Joe/Jane views stock prices as a measure of success.
  • Reply 18 of 32
    levilevi Posts: 344member
    Glad to see Apple move back to the top spot in China. This is more or less expected given last year's q3 sales and recent release of the 6s. Bears have a hard time seeing this.

    Regarding India, Apple will have some work to do, as the economic situation is very different (for now).

    Last comment. This has to be the shortest DED article I've seen.
  • Reply 19 of 32
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    Originally Posted by MarkTime View Post

     

    Good advice. He obviously has no clue about restrictions on privately held stock, e.g no more than 2,000 shareholders per the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Apple could, in theory, create a subsidiary that issues publicly traded stock but there would be no point in doing that since, if those shares had meaningful participation in the Apple cash flow then they would be subject to the same "manipulations" that he complain about.


    AFAIK, it's 500? See Section 12g(1)B in the Securities and Exchange Act of 1934: https://www.sec.gov/about/laws/sea34-12g.pdf

     

    I vaguely recall that this was a big issue at the time Facebook was deciding whether to go public. To some extent, its hands were forced by this rule.

  • Reply 20 of 32
    This is why Sammy is full steam ahead on pink gold.
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