I hope Apple gets it right. Only 2.5 million seems a little low. It will be all right if I can purchase one on release. I won't be happy if I have a significant wait.
I'd be surprised if the iPad mini gets the Pro features. I'm not confident there's a bright future for that device or small tablets in general.
perhaps. but having both an iPad mini and air, the mini is my preferred device for reading or watching media in bed. small, doesn't fall onto my face when reading, and can rest on my chest without falling over. also easier to place I between us.
But but iPad Pro doesn't run full OS like Surface Pro....
This objection is very interesting, I can understand it (only somewhat, because it seems that argument is thrown around more as part of the Mac/Windows religious war), but in my opinion even if someone has a valid claim about iOS truly lacking functionality, it's losing strength as an argument each year. I've found iOS to have matured and progressed greatly in recent years, there's so much less that iOS is *not* capable of doing, things that you could previously only do on OS X (or a "full OS") are becoming fewer and fewer.
This is a great way to build an OS, start with the basics and add functionality as users add knowledge of use, revise, optimise, add more functionality, add more users, more use cases until you've got an OS that meets the needs of the vast majority of users and use cases out there. Couple that with top notch hardware available in a variety of configurations or sizes, and before you know it, what is the purpose of OS X running on those Intel machines? Sure, it will still have utility (OS X), but for how many people, for how many use cases? Professionals and niche requirements? I'm not sure but it's fun to think about.
For some or all of the masses I think iOS (with or without keyboard, based on preference) can handle all your needs today, plus you get the lean and clean benefit of iOS, which also gives you a *proper* (and I do mean proper) touch-based OS which at core is even more "Apple ease of use" than OS X.
Apple seems to be building out iOS bit by bit, progressively with each yearly update, apps are taking advantage of it, users are learning how it all works and how to use it (so easy even toddlers can use it), feedback is provided, hardware is updated and what we have today, what we now have with this new iPad Pro is really rather and quite exciting. I geek out on funny things I know, but that's how I see it.
This objection is very interesting, I can understand it (only somewhat, because it seems that argument is thrown around more as part of the Mac/Windows religious war), but in my opinion even if someone has a valid claim about iOS truly lacking functionality, it's losing strength as an argument each year. I've found iOS to have matured and progressed greatly in recent years, there's so much less that iOS is *not* capable of doing, things that you could previously only do on OS X (or a "full OS") are becoming fewer and fewer.
This is a great way to build an OS, start with the basics and add functionality as users add knowledge of use, revise, optimise, add more functionality, add more users, more use cases until you've got an OS that meets the needs of the vast majority of users and use cases out there. Couple that with top notch hardware available in a variety of configurations or sizes, and before you know it, what is the purpose of OS X running on those Intel machines? Sure, it will still have utility (OS X), but for how many people, for how many use cases? Professionals and niche requirements? I'm not sure but it's fun to think about.
For some or all of the masses I think iOS (with or without keyboard, based on preference) can handle all your needs today, plus you get the lean and clean benefit of iOS, which also gives you a *proper* (and I do mean proper) touch-based OS which at core is even more "Apple ease of use" than OS X.
Apple seems to be building out iOS bit by bit, progressively with each yearly update, apps are taking advantage of it, users are learning how it all works and how to use it (so easy even toddlers can use it), feedback is provided, hardware is updated and what we have today, what we now have with this new iPad Pro is really rather and quite exciting. I geek out on funny things I know, but that's how I see it.
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Couldn't have said it better.
"Sure, it will still have utility (OS X), but for how many people, for how many use cases? Professionals and niche requirements?"
Exactly this. Over time, I think, OSX will be the specialized workstation OS.
I'd be surprised if the iPad mini gets the Pro features. I'm not confident there's a bright future for that device or small tablets in general.
There's still a market for non phone devices, especially among children and younger teens, so even if the numbers aren't large relative to iPhones, getting them into the ecosystem is a great long term strategy. But you are correct, no pro features would be expected.
In a different perspective, I'd bet that these lesser Apple products have revenues that outshine most large corporations; they only pale relative to iPhones.
iPad Air 3 with A9x and then the next Pro with a 10x chip.
They will maintain a gap.
Then maybe a slightly cheaper mini with no Pencil capability and a plain A9 chip.
Just an opinion.
That's a good guess. There will undoubtedly be people that eventually find a way to complain that the mini doesn't support the pencil.
"I want this feature but don't want to pay for it" kinda thing.
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Why do you want to use an iPad Pro rather than a MBP for server management? They are both about the same size and once you buy a keyboard and some special apps, the difference in cost is not that great plus the MBP is so much more versatile.
Sure you can create and edit php files with ssh, but I'd rather have a local file system and ftp, especially for creating and uploading images. I suppose there are apps for that but I'm usually doing several things at once so a MBP is my preference for maintaining websites and servers when I'm away from my desktop.
When I go to the data center to maintain the servers I cannot connect through wifi due to firewall security so I have an ethernet cable and I just patch into the switch. Can't do that with an iPad. Some people use one of the provided carts with a monitor/keyboard but there are only a few of them and they are often in use. No way I can see an iPad replacing my MBP.
Well essentially, I don't want to carry both when I'm away from my desk...and I do want to have an iPad so it can just be an iPad when I'm not doing work on it.
And yeah, re: server work...the iPad can connect to an SSLVPN, and has full featured VNC and SSH apps. I'm set.
But but iPad Pro doesn't run full Desktop OS like Surface Pro....
FTFY.
Desktop OS and Touch OS are two different things, and both are on equal footing. One is not better than the other. They are just different. One is not more capable than the other. But there different ways of doing similar things on each... because they're different.
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I think the Air was just shifted to March, waiting for 3d-touch which is for now being "tested" by a crowd of iPhone 6s owners.
Source? That's speculation at best.
perhaps. but having both an iPad mini and air, the mini is my preferred device for reading or watching media in bed. small, doesn't fall onto my face when reading, and can rest on my chest without falling over. also easier to place I between us.
Source? That's speculation at best.
His or her source was probably him/her writing "I think," which also pretty much shores up the speculation bit
But but iPad Pro doesn't run full OS like Surface Pro....
This objection is very interesting, I can understand it (only somewhat, because it seems that argument is thrown around more as part of the Mac/Windows religious war), but in my opinion even if someone has a valid claim about iOS truly lacking functionality, it's losing strength as an argument each year. I've found iOS to have matured and progressed greatly in recent years, there's so much less that iOS is *not* capable of doing, things that you could previously only do on OS X (or a "full OS") are becoming fewer and fewer.
This is a great way to build an OS, start with the basics and add functionality as users add knowledge of use, revise, optimise, add more functionality, add more users, more use cases until you've got an OS that meets the needs of the vast majority of users and use cases out there. Couple that with top notch hardware available in a variety of configurations or sizes, and before you know it, what is the purpose of OS X running on those Intel machines? Sure, it will still have utility (OS X), but for how many people, for how many use cases? Professionals and niche requirements? I'm not sure but it's fun to think about.
For some or all of the masses I think iOS (with or without keyboard, based on preference) can handle all your needs today, plus you get the lean and clean benefit of iOS, which also gives you a *proper* (and I do mean proper) touch-based OS which at core is even more "Apple ease of use" than OS X.
Apple seems to be building out iOS bit by bit, progressively with each yearly update, apps are taking advantage of it, users are learning how it all works and how to use it (so easy even toddlers can use it), feedback is provided, hardware is updated and what we have today, what we now have with this new iPad Pro is really rather and quite exciting. I geek out on funny things I know, but that's how I see it.
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But but iPad Pro doesn't run full OS like Surface Pro....
From the lengthy list of bug reports, even the Surface Pro doesn't run a full OS. ; )
This objection is very interesting, I can understand it (only somewhat, because it seems that argument is thrown around more as part of the Mac/Windows religious war), but in my opinion even if someone has a valid claim about iOS truly lacking functionality, it's losing strength as an argument each year. I've found iOS to have matured and progressed greatly in recent years, there's so much less that iOS is *not* capable of doing, things that you could previously only do on OS X (or a "full OS") are becoming fewer and fewer.
This is a great way to build an OS, start with the basics and add functionality as users add knowledge of use, revise, optimise, add more functionality, add more users, more use cases until you've got an OS that meets the needs of the vast majority of users and use cases out there. Couple that with top notch hardware available in a variety of configurations or sizes, and before you know it, what is the purpose of OS X running on those Intel machines? Sure, it will still have utility (OS X), but for how many people, for how many use cases? Professionals and niche requirements? I'm not sure but it's fun to think about.
For some or all of the masses I think iOS (with or without keyboard, based on preference) can handle all your needs today, plus you get the lean and clean benefit of iOS, which also gives you a *proper* (and I do mean proper) touch-based OS which at core is even more "Apple ease of use" than OS X.
Apple seems to be building out iOS bit by bit, progressively with each yearly update, apps are taking advantage of it, users are learning how it all works and how to use it (so easy even toddlers can use it), feedback is provided, hardware is updated and what we have today, what we now have with this new iPad Pro is really rather and quite exciting. I geek out on funny things I know, but that's how I see it.
edit: grammar
Couldn't have said it better.
"Sure, it will still have utility (OS X), but for how many people, for how many use cases? Professionals and niche requirements?"
Exactly this. Over time, I think, OSX will be the specialized workstation OS.
I'd be surprised if the iPad mini gets the Pro features. I'm not confident there's a bright future for that device or small tablets in general.
There's still a market for non phone devices, especially among children and younger teens, so even if the numbers aren't large relative to iPhones, getting them into the ecosystem is a great long term strategy. But you are correct, no pro features would be expected.
In a different perspective, I'd bet that these lesser Apple products have revenues that outshine most large corporations; they only pale relative to iPhones.
I could see the iPad Air 3 getting the Pencil.
iPad Air 3 with A9x and then the next Pro with a 10x chip.
They will maintain a gap.
Then maybe a slightly cheaper mini with no Pencil capability and a plain A9 chip.
Just an opinion.
That's a good guess. There will undoubtedly be people that eventually find a way to complain that the mini doesn't support the pencil.
"I want this feature but don't want to pay for it" kinda thing.
Why do you want to use an iPad Pro rather than a MBP for server management? They are both about the same size and once you buy a keyboard and some special apps, the difference in cost is not that great plus the MBP is so much more versatile.
Sure you can create and edit php files with ssh, but I'd rather have a local file system and ftp, especially for creating and uploading images. I suppose there are apps for that but I'm usually doing several things at once so a MBP is my preference for maintaining websites and servers when I'm away from my desktop.
When I go to the data center to maintain the servers I cannot connect through wifi due to firewall security so I have an ethernet cable and I just patch into the switch. Can't do that with an iPad. Some people use one of the provided carts with a monitor/keyboard but there are only a few of them and they are often in use. No way I can see an iPad replacing my MBP.
Well essentially, I don't want to carry both when I'm away from my desk...and I do want to have an iPad so it can just be an iPad when I'm not doing work on it.
And yeah, re: server work...the iPad can connect to an SSLVPN, and has full featured VNC and SSH apps. I'm set.
But but iPad Pro doesn't run full Desktop OS like Surface Pro....
FTFY.
Desktop OS and Touch OS are two different things, and both are on equal footing. One is not better than the other. They are just different. One is not more capable than the other. But there different ways of doing similar things on each... because they're different.