Apple's investments in infrastructure, tooling, retail to jump to $15 billion in 2016

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  • Reply 61 of 79
    Originally Posted by Paul94544 View Post

    ...some 70s show.

     

    It’s a shame that Some ‘70s Show didn’t take off like the other one. This one wasn’t just a hotbed of vice and degeneracy.

  • Reply 62 of 79
    paul94544paul94544 Posts: 1,027member
    sacto joe wrote: »
    I pesonally think it's both. AAPL is being priced as if it stopped growing. If all four were at a P/E of 20, it'd be close to right.

    blazar wrote: »
    There is nothing particulary rational about wall street valuation...

    Amazon, google, and msft are the companies that are irrationally priced for what they actually produce, not Apple being underpriced.

    It has always made me laugh reading comments from people who use this term "Wall Street" like it means some thing.

    Certain posters have such a negative view of Wall Street, like oil companies it is an easy target for many peoples ire. Completely unjustified imho.

    Wall Street is essentially an exchange which allows the world to buy and sell shares. Every day about 15 trillion changes hands on the exchanges. Just think about that for a minute 15 trillion. The U.S. Economy is insignificant in comparison!
    K
    Ranting about "Wall Street" this and "wall street" that, is counter productive. It's the people silly, you may as well get angry about all the people who are make millions of buy and sell decisions. Wall Street doesn't set the price of Apple. The people who invest their money in it do! Same for almost every of the 6000 stocks listed.

    Why don't you try to understand their decision processes than wasting you time blaming some magical entity that your brain thinks is some kind of conspiracy going on in the financial center in New York! Because dude I think that is delusional, but hey thanks for the entertainment
  • Reply 63 of 79
    Originally Posted by Paul94544 View Post

    Wall Street doesn't set the price of Apple. The people who invest their money in it do!

     

    If a nation is its people, Wall Street is its investors. It’s a blanket term to refer to the people who trade therewith. Don’t be intentionally dense.

     

    ...some kind of conspiracy going on in the financial center in New York! Because dude I think that is delusional...


     

    Seek psychiatric help, please, if you actually think there are no conspiracies regarding finance.

  • Reply 64 of 79
    paul94544paul94544 Posts: 1,027member

    Similarly price Mac equipment is actually cheaper 

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jfanning View Post





    Why should I pay more for my Apple equipment just to benefit some random American?



    You are incorrect in your assumption. Similarly SPEC'd PC equipment is simply more expensive than MACs nowadays. Take the time tactually research you claim please, In fact Apple's economies of scale and ability to negotiate low prices for parts has an enabled them to undercut other manufacturers in most case esp. when it comes to MacBooks. This is why "at the spec level of MacBooks" not many, if any have been able to compete . Now of course if you want to pay $300 for a cheap, entry level PC.laptop with minimal spec, but to last perhaps a year before breaking using several generations ago's chips  at Costco or equivalent -  go right  ahead. You get what you pay for generally. But don't dare compare a $300 machine with a a top of the line Macbook or iMac, go back to  the 1990's hole you came from. 

  • Reply 65 of 79
    paul94544paul94544 Posts: 1,027member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

     

    If a nation is its people, Wall Street is its investors. It’s a blanket term to refer to the people who trade therewith. Don’t be intentionally dense.

     

    Seek psychiatric help, please, if you actually think there are no conspiracies regarding finance.




    oh thank you, nice contribution!

  • Reply 66 of 79
    Originally Posted by Paul94544 View Post

    you just certified yourself, with that  garbage 



    Enjoy your delusions! Learn what the word ‘conspiracy’ means and we’ll promise to consider not laughing at you.

    Originally Posted by Paul94544 View Post

    Similarly price Mac equipment is actually cheaper

     

    This from the guy who thinks there are no financial conspiracies. <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /> 

  • Reply 67 of 79
    paul94544paul94544 Posts: 1,027member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     



    Enjoy your delusions! Learn what the word ‘conspiracy’ means and we’ll promise to consider not laughing at you.




    "WE", how many of them are you in your head? How many entities do you have flying around inside you head? Its seems You  or the "we" in your case have several personalities there ! lol and btw it usually the people who accuse others of needing help who need help themselves , such is the way of people like you

  • Reply 68 of 79
    kinomedia wrote: »
    It has to be done one niche at a time. You build up areas of competency over time. And certainly assembly is portable.

    About corporate taxes and offshore profits. It's pretty simple. If you want to sell into the American market, bring the profits home. If not, you're banned. You want to do inversion mergers? Fine. Expect to pay stiff tariffs to sell your products in the US. It's time we fought back. We do not have to be helpless. 

    That's how you modernize corporate tax policy. America should not be run for the sole benefit of the investor class.

    Welcome to 1930, Mr. Smoot!

    Or is that you, Mr. Hawley?
  • Reply 69 of 79
    Seek psychiatric help, please, if you actually think there are no conspiracies regarding finance.

    I don't know if he needs psychiatric help, but you certainly may need reading help. Because that's not what he said.
  • Reply 70 of 79
    Originally Posted by Paul94544 View Post

    How many entities do you have flying around inside you head?



    89. And all of them think the exact same way. Saves on confusion.

     

    btw it usually the people who accuse others of needing help who need help themselves


     

    The irony is physically painful.

     



    Originally Posted by Paul94544 View Post

    Because dude I think that is delusional




    Ell oh ell.




     

    ...people like you...




    Adorable.

     

    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

    I don't know if he needs psychiatric help, but you certainly may need reading help. Because that's not what he said.

     

    I know exactly what he said, and you know I rewrote it to prevent backpedaling. Come on.

  • Reply 71 of 79
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Paul94544 View Post







    It has always made me laugh reading comments from people who use this term "Wall Street" like it means some thing.



    Certain posters have such a negative view of Wall Street, like oil companies it is an easy target for many peoples ire. Completely unjustified imho.



    Wall Street is essentially an exchange which allows the world to buy and sell shares. Every day about 15 trillion changes hands on the exchanges. Just think about that for a minute 15 trillion. The U.S. Economy is insignificant in comparison!

    K

    Ranting about "Wall Street" this and "wall street" that, is counter productive. It's the people silly, you may as well get angry about all the people who are make millions of buy and sell decisions. Wall Street doesn't set the price of Apple. The people who invest their money in it do! Same for almost every of the 6000 stocks listed.



    Why don't you try to understand their decision processes than wasting you time blaming some magical entity that your brain thinks is some kind of conspiracy going on in the financial center in New York! Because dude I think that is delusional, but hey thanks for the entertainment

     

    There is no need for a conspiracy, just good ol" greed; Group think amongst the greedy even.

    The resulting actions/decisions/attitudes regarding the outgroup are usually pretty shoddy.

    The results look like a conspiracy, but a better plausible deniability. The directed action emerged implicitly instead of explicitly.

     

    As for those "people", they are not "people" as normally defined by well... "people" (unless you think corporations are people) (sic)

    Normal everyday people, the likes there are here, are bit players in the global flow of capital.

    I realize that and got nothing against that per say if it doesn't mean we can't invest without getting screwed over.

     

    It's just the "let's regulate ourselves" or privatization of profit while losses are somehow public (directly through bail out, or by wrecking the general economy ) that pisses me off and should piss off anyone. If you take the risk, you assume the losses. That's the whole point of getting a high return on your investment. Running to mommy like pissy kids when you crapped on the floor and then later saying you don't need her around once everything's been cleaned: well, that's wall street now

     

    If regulation and oversight can make the market truly fair for all, and insure that risks are only contained to those who really take them (which has still not been resolved), that would be fantastic. Not sure how anyone could oppose that: but they do!

     

    Wall Street doesn't need a teardown, but needs hell of a lot of reform, which they fight tooth and nail because supposedly it "infringes on the free market", like what the hell is now is actually a free market... (sic).

  • Reply 72 of 79
    Then there's the problem with the RMB being roughly 1/7th the value of the Dollar due to currency manipulation (which is not to say that the US dollar is not also manipulated).

    Yes, the Chinese do control their currency more than we or the EU do.

    However, the fact that it is 1/7th has nothing to do with it. That would be like saying Japan manipulates its currency by a factor of 15x more than China does because the Yen's value is 1/120th of the US dollar.
  • Reply 73 of 79
    jfanningjfanning Posts: 3,390member
    paul94544 wrote: »
    Similarly price Mac equipment is actually cheaper 


    You are incorrect in your assumption. Similarly SPEC'd PC equipment is simply more expensive than MACs nowadays. Take the time tactually research you claim please, In fact Apple's economies of scale and ability to negotiate low prices for parts has an enabled them to undercut other manufacturers in most case esp. when it comes to MacBooks. This is why "at the spec level of MacBooks" not many, if any have been able to compete . Now of course if you want to pay $300 for a cheap, entry level PC.laptop with minimal spec, but to last perhaps a year before breaking using several generations ago's chips  at Costco or equivalent -  go right  ahead. You get what you pay for generally. But don't dare compare a $300 machine with a a top of the line Macbook or iMac, go back to  the 1990's hole you came from. 

    You may need some assistance with your reading, what does any of that have to do with the possible increased costs of manufacturing an Apple item in the US compared to China?
  • Reply 74 of 79
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,040moderator
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Paul94544 View Post





    Why not just sell $115 put out to next summer then buy a 114 or other strike price PUT to protect it that way you get some money up front, if at any point between now and then the stock goes up much above 115 then buy the 115 put back, thus taking some profit and getting out of the trade and moving on then if the stock drops below the lower PUT sell that back at a profit too



    It's called a bull put spread with up front credit due to spread. Bull put spreads only require a limited amount of buying power for big gains too

     

    I'm also short 100 put contracts laddered out to Jan 2017 at strikes ranging from $105 to $120, about $73k credit from those.  So I'm playing that side too, to good success thus far.  

  • Reply 75 of 79
    Only if robots would handle the "labor". US wages are cost prohibitive compared to China or elsewhere.

    cook has stated its not the labor costs, it's the components ecosystem that keeps them in Asia.
  • Reply 76 of 79
    hmmhmm Posts: 3,405member

      Quote:


    Originally Posted by Paul94544 View Post





    You don't actually expect a factually coherent sentence from someone with no credibility like rogifan do you? People like him have an m.o. That reads , type something as fast as possible based on no evidence, some silly notion based on flatulence, hit submit without re-reading, then go back to watching re-runs of some 70s show.

     

    I take my chances on some things. If I post an aggravated response, they definitely won't read it. Most of the time I just don't bother to respond in those cases.

  • Reply 77 of 79

    89. And all of them think the exact same way. Saves on confusion.

    The irony is physically painful.
     


    Adorable.


    I know exactly what he said, and you know I rewrote it to prevent backpedaling. Come on.

    Does that leave room for storing penguins? ;)
  • Reply 78 of 79
    Originally Posted by WonkoTheSane View Post

    Does that leave room for storing penguins? image



    Crap, now I have to reread the series to find the reference I can’t remember.

  • Reply 79 of 79
    paul94544 wrote: »

    It has always made me laugh reading comments from people who use this term "Wall Street" like it means some thing.

    Certain posters have such a negative view of Wall Street, like oil companies it is an easy target for many peoples ire. Completely unjustified imho.

    Wall Street is essentially an exchange which allows the world to buy and sell shares. Every day about 15 trillion changes hands on the exchanges. Just think about that for a minute 15 trillion. The U.S. Economy is insignificant in comparison!
    K
    Ranting about "Wall Street" this and "wall street" that, is counter productive. It's the people silly, you may as well get angry about all the people who are make millions of buy and sell decisions. Wall Street doesn't set the price of Apple. The people who invest their money in it do! Same for almost every of the 6000 stocks listed.

    Why don't you try to understand their decision processes than wasting you time blaming some magical entity that your brain thinks is some kind of conspiracy going on in the financial center in New York! Because dude I think that is delusional, but hey thanks for the entertainment

    Why don't you read about Wall Street, or th NYSE if you prefer, and then explain how an organization with short of 20 trillion market cap has no own interest, or potential power over stock prices. "Just a location where sellers meet buyers" would be true of brothels as well, yes?
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