Why do you feel you were burned by the iPad 3 purchase?
As somebody who has the iPad "3" I would say the fact it overheats and was replaced by a more powerful, lower temperature, and new connector iPad 4 a mere 6 months later is about it...
I still have mine, but i felt pretty damn annoyed with mine at the time of the iPad 4 announcement. I will always see the 3 as a 'dud'. Apple quickly killed it, and moved on.
But those used iPhones generally go somewhere, which offsets potentially a new purchase.
I was thinking the same thing. The turned in phones are going to be resold somewhere which is indicative of the fact that some people are willing to use older hardware if it saves them money.
What the stats tell me is that the iPad is primarily a viewing/consumption device rather than a creation device. Maybe the iPad Pro changes things. Maybe not.
No matter, the iPad will not disappear. Apple will continue to offer the full range of screen sizes and form factors to satisfy its customers full range of computing requirements.
The stats doesn't really tell you much of anything regarding the device's usefullness for creation, just tells you most people don't use this kind of device for creation. Considering it was bought by the mass market AND professionals, that's hardly surprising.
That's still tens of millions them being used for creation and professional use... Hardly something it can't do...
90% of people buying 4 wheel drive don't need it; but that doesn't mean it's people that need it should buy another vehicule type.
The iPad 2 was the first iPad that I ever bought. I gave mine to a family member years ago, and they're still using the iPad 2 and it still works fine for all of their needs.
iPad sales may have declined slightly, but iPad usage has certainly not declined. iPads are so great that people are using them for years and years and years, and they still work good. The same can not be said for other junk tablets that have a life span of a mosquito.
With all due respect, most people could not care less about the pencil. I'm excited for it, but graphic design is part of what I do for a living.
I think more people who buy the iPad Pro will get the Keyboard over the Pencil. The Pencil is cool, and great for certain users, but that is a micro-segment of the market.
I don't get the fuss of using the iPad pro with a hybrid keyboard cover. It is a gimmick that belongs in Redmond. I'm planning to use the iPad air with a proper magic keyboard I use for my desktop computer.
EDIT: The pencil and 3D touch are key to create a more engaging iPad experience. They offer you more fine grain control.
Sold my iPad 2 to get the Air because of Retina and weight. The rest is the same package: a giant screen. I don't care about speed improvements as I don't play games, so for watching videos, reading books and listening to music you don't need the latest iPad. And I suppose most people are content consumers, just like me, and casual games that don't need the latest and greatest. The iPad Pro will sell a few units, but no-one should expect it to revive the overall sales of iPads. Apple is just upping the ASP for iPads to satisfy Wall-Street to offset declining consumer demand for a products that is not revolutionary year after year. What Apple is doing is following the iPhone success story: hey, if they like a bigger screen phone, maybe they'll like a bigger screen iPad. Even if the iPad Pro will be a huge success, it will be temporary, just as the new bigger screen iPhones. Demand will start decreasing sooner or later and Apple will need to find something else to excite consumers. This is the same problem PC manufacturers are facing, people are increasingly satisfied with last year's model and not so enticed to upgrade.
It's NOT the same problem that pc's face. Pc's also face the fact that they're not distinghable between each other when you replace them, which is not the case for Apple products where you get a better product AND the ecosystem.
That is one way to look at it, but turning it in every year means you are making monthly payments forever. I suppose iPhones are much more important to people than iPads are, but clearly people are getting along just fine on 3-4 year old iPads.
But you're ALWAYS making monthly payments forever unless you keep two plus years old tech. Which with the fast evolving phones I'm not inclined to do (yet) compared to say my 2011 Macbook Pro or my iPad Air where I do keep them far longer. OTOH the purchase prices versus the carrier service doesn't apply to MBP or iPads so the cost of operating iPhones is somewhat different versus those other devices.
As somebody who has the iPad "3" I would say the fact it overheats and was replaced by a more powerful, lower temperature, and new connector iPad 4 a mere 6 months later is about it...
I still have mine, but i felt pretty damn annoyed with mine at the time of the iPad 4 announcement. I will always see the 3 as a 'dud'. Apple quickly killed it, and moved on.
Well for me I didn't see the 4 as a compelling upgrade from my 3 so I didn't feel "burned" at all. Only when the Air was released did I see a reason to upgrade and even then it was somewhat personal style than anything, I was attracted to the lower weight of the Air for my usage needs. And have remained quite happy with it.
With all due respect, most people could not care less about the pencil. I'm excited for it, but graphic design is part of what I do for a living.
I think more people who buy the iPad Pro will get the Keyboard over the Pencil. The Pencil is cool, and great for certain users, but that is a micro-segment of the market.
I think that you're wrong about that.
I for one couldn't care less for the keyboard. I don't even do graphic design, but I would definitely buy the Apple pencil to go along with the iPad Pro, just to have it, since they work together. It's a no brainer.
I think that quite a few people who buy the iPad Pro will also be getting the pencil to go along with it.
It wouldn't even bother me if Apple didn't make the keyboard at all.
Well for me I didn't see the 4 as a compelling upgrade from my 3 so I didn't feel "burned" at all. Only when the Air was released did I see a reason to upgrade and even then it was somewhat personal style than anything, I was attracted to the lower weight of the Air for my usage needs. And have remained quite happy with it.
You make good points. I guess i feel like this too if that is not condradicting myself. i didn't upgrade to the 4, and still live with it. The Air generation tempts me, for the weight and lightness, which would perhaps make me use it more, so i was thinking about it for the 'new' model this autumn, but apple didnt announce one!!
OTOH the purchase prices versus the carrier service doesn't apply to MBP or iPads so the cost of operating iPhones is somewhat different versus those other devices.
I for one couldn't care less for the keyboard. I don't even do graphic design, but I would definitely buy the Apple pencil to go along with the iPad Pro, just to have it, since they work together. It's a no brainer.
I think that quite a few people who buy the iPad Pro will also be getting the pencil to go along with it.
It wouldn't even bother me if Apple didn't make the keyboard at all.
The pencil will have appeal for whom the endless task of microfibre wiping the screen free of the %^&*&^$# finger smudges get's very old. Another with no interest in the keyboard.
My first one was and then I realized my use style didn't necessitate that expense as it turned out it was more of an at home, at work sort of tool and both those places have very robust WiFi. When traveling I find I'd rather invest the weight into dSLR camera gear.
I for one couldn't care less for the keyboard. I don't even do graphic design, but I would definitely buy the Apple pencil to go along with the iPad Pro, just to have it, since they work together. It's a no brainer.
I think that quite a few people who buy the iPad Pro will also be getting the pencil to go along with it.
It wouldn't even bother me if Apple didn't make the keyboard at all.
Agreed. Obviously, not everyone is an artist and will use it for art or creative work. There are others, like myself, who want it just for note taking.
I suspect many owners of Apple Technology do not make heavy or sophisticated use of it, so prolonging its physical life. With any device if it still does what you really need of it, even if it would nice to have a more powerful model with more features, then why change?
My 20inch iMac, which is approaching its 9th birthday falls into this category. The power unit needed to be replaced a couple of years ago, but was easily done by a third partyy (Apple no longer cared to support it). I would like to upgrade to a new (21.5 inch) model but have held off because I am not happy that the device is sealed which prevents me from adding extra memory at a future date should I need it. It could make the device effectively unreparable after 5 years (in the UK). Going by my previous experience, Apple would refuse to do it and it could be unlikely that a third party would be able do it: nasty, selfish Apple. I require a desk top not a vertical, sealed unit, oversized Laptop.
Finally, I suspect that the market for iPhones is sustained by geeks, sad Apple addicts who must have the latest model, and by the many people who have contracts with services providers who provide them with a "free phone". Incidentally, I wonder what the service providers actually pay for the phone and how much of the cost they indirectly pass on to their customers. I would be surprised if the price they (the service providers) paid was anywhere near its current retail cost: excellent marketing but environmentally very unfriendly. If all the I wants and therefore must haves all took a step back before purchasing, I suspect the iPhone market would drop significantly. My phone (not Apple) incidentally is now five years old as is my wive's (also not Apple), if not older. Her previous one must have have been at least 10 years old before it collapsed and had to be replaced.
I think we will start to see people keeping their iPhones longer, (in the US at least), now that the subsidies are gone. The current iPhones are fantastic and should last a long time, so is there really a need to upgrade every two years going forward? There is Apple Care + which is limited to two years, so that could be a determining factor, but what percentage of users actually purchase Apple Care +. I always do, but I take really good care of my phones. I did have one occasion to use the coverage though, when one of the microphones went out preventing Siri from working.
Subsidies for phones are being replaced by interest free loans, at least in the US, which in many cases is better because you don't have to come up with the $199+ up front and can upgrade quicker depending on cell plan. iPads on the other hand just last a long time and for most people the performance is still good enough for what they use it for. Sales will still be there, but the upgrade cycle is more akin to desktops versus smart phones.
I'm reading and writing this on my 2, which I have been enjoying pretty much daily since the day it was released, March 2011. I haven't felt much of a need to upgrade, but I'm still running iOS 6 on it, which I think has been a good choice.
Am I the only one who thinks it feels better in the hand than the newer models? I know the newer ones are lighter, which is nice, but I much prefer the shape of the 2, and I'm not a fan of the shiny aluminum bezel, which has always looked kind of cheap to me. I will say this, though: if and when I do need a new one, I will definitely not feel a need to skimp, given how much I use it.
The iPad 2 was the first iPad that I ever bought. I gave mine to a family member years ago, and they're still using the iPad 2 and it still works fine for all of their needs.
iPad sales may have declined slightly, but iPad usage has certainly not declined. iPads are so great that people are using them for years and years and years, and they still work good. The same can not be said for other junk tablets that have a life span of a mosquito.
This is exactly the same with Macs. My original rMPBP 15" is holding up just as well as the day I bought it.
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Why do you feel you were burned by the iPad 3 purchase?
As somebody who has the iPad "3" I would say the fact it overheats and was replaced by a more powerful, lower temperature, and new connector iPad 4 a mere 6 months later is about it...
I still have mine, but i felt pretty damn annoyed with mine at the time of the iPad 4 announcement. I will always see the 3 as a 'dud'. Apple quickly killed it, and moved on.
But those used iPhones generally go somewhere, which offsets potentially a new purchase.
I was thinking the same thing. The turned in phones are going to be resold somewhere which is indicative of the fact that some people are willing to use older hardware if it saves them money.
What the stats tell me is that the iPad is primarily a viewing/consumption device rather than a creation device. Maybe the iPad Pro changes things. Maybe not.
No matter, the iPad will not disappear. Apple will continue to offer the full range of screen sizes and form factors to satisfy its customers full range of computing requirements.
The stats doesn't really tell you much of anything regarding the device's usefullness for creation, just tells you most people don't use this kind of device for creation. Considering it was bought by the mass market AND professionals, that's hardly surprising.
That's still tens of millions them being used for creation and professional use... Hardly something it can't do...
90% of people buying 4 wheel drive don't need it; but that doesn't mean it's people that need it should buy another vehicule type.
The iPad 2 was the first iPad that I ever bought. I gave mine to a family member years ago, and they're still using the iPad 2 and it still works fine for all of their needs.
iPad sales may have declined slightly, but iPad usage has certainly not declined. iPads are so great that people are using them for years and years and years, and they still work good. The same can not be said for other junk tablets that have a life span of a mosquito.
With all due respect, most people could not care less about the pencil. I'm excited for it, but graphic design is part of what I do for a living.
I think more people who buy the iPad Pro will get the Keyboard over the Pencil. The Pencil is cool, and great for certain users, but that is a micro-segment of the market.
I don't get the fuss of using the iPad pro with a hybrid keyboard cover. It is a gimmick that belongs in Redmond. I'm planning to use the iPad air with a proper magic keyboard I use for my desktop computer.
EDIT: The pencil and 3D touch are key to create a more engaging iPad experience. They offer you more fine grain control.
Sold my iPad 2 to get the Air because of Retina and weight. The rest is the same package: a giant screen. I don't care about speed improvements as I don't play games, so for watching videos, reading books and listening to music you don't need the latest iPad. And I suppose most people are content consumers, just like me, and casual games that don't need the latest and greatest. The iPad Pro will sell a few units, but no-one should expect it to revive the overall sales of iPads. Apple is just upping the ASP for iPads to satisfy Wall-Street to offset declining consumer demand for a products that is not revolutionary year after year. What Apple is doing is following the iPhone success story: hey, if they like a bigger screen phone, maybe they'll like a bigger screen iPad. Even if the iPad Pro will be a huge success, it will be temporary, just as the new bigger screen iPhones. Demand will start decreasing sooner or later and Apple will need to find something else to excite consumers. This is the same problem PC manufacturers are facing, people are increasingly satisfied with last year's model and not so enticed to upgrade.
It's NOT the same problem that pc's face. Pc's also face the fact that they're not distinghable between each other when you replace them, which is not the case for Apple products where you get a better product AND the ecosystem.
That is one way to look at it, but turning it in every year means you are making monthly payments forever. I suppose iPhones are much more important to people than iPads are, but clearly people are getting along just fine on 3-4 year old iPads.
But you're ALWAYS making monthly payments forever unless you keep two plus years old tech. Which with the fast evolving phones I'm not inclined to do (yet) compared to say my 2011 Macbook Pro or my iPad Air where I do keep them far longer. OTOH the purchase prices versus the carrier service doesn't apply to MBP or iPads so the cost of operating iPhones is somewhat different versus those other devices.
As somebody who has the iPad "3" I would say the fact it overheats and was replaced by a more powerful, lower temperature, and new connector iPad 4 a mere 6 months later is about it...
I still have mine, but i felt pretty damn annoyed with mine at the time of the iPad 4 announcement. I will always see the 3 as a 'dud'. Apple quickly killed it, and moved on.
Well for me I didn't see the 4 as a compelling upgrade from my 3 so I didn't feel "burned" at all. Only when the Air was released did I see a reason to upgrade and even then it was somewhat personal style than anything, I was attracted to the lower weight of the Air for my usage needs. And have remained quite happy with it.
With all due respect, most people could not care less about the pencil. I'm excited for it, but graphic design is part of what I do for a living.
I think more people who buy the iPad Pro will get the Keyboard over the Pencil. The Pencil is cool, and great for certain users, but that is a micro-segment of the market.
I think that you're wrong about that.
I for one couldn't care less for the keyboard. I don't even do graphic design, but I would definitely buy the Apple pencil to go along with the iPad Pro, just to have it, since they work together. It's a no brainer.
I think that quite a few people who buy the iPad Pro will also be getting the pencil to go along with it.
It wouldn't even bother me if Apple didn't make the keyboard at all.
Well for me I didn't see the 4 as a compelling upgrade from my 3 so I didn't feel "burned" at all. Only when the Air was released did I see a reason to upgrade and even then it was somewhat personal style than anything, I was attracted to the lower weight of the Air for my usage needs. And have remained quite happy with it.
You make good points. I guess i feel like this too if that is not condradicting myself. i didn't upgrade to the 4, and still live with it. The Air generation tempts me, for the weight and lightness, which would perhaps make me use it more, so i was thinking about it for the 'new' model this autumn, but apple didnt announce one!!
OTOH the purchase prices versus the carrier service doesn't apply to MBP or iPads so the cost of operating iPhones is somewhat different versus those other devices.
Yes and no. All my iPads have been cellular.
I think that you're wrong about that.
I for one couldn't care less for the keyboard. I don't even do graphic design, but I would definitely buy the Apple pencil to go along with the iPad Pro, just to have it, since they work together. It's a no brainer.
I think that quite a few people who buy the iPad Pro will also be getting the pencil to go along with it.
It wouldn't even bother me if Apple didn't make the keyboard at all.
The pencil will have appeal for whom the endless task of microfibre wiping the screen free of the %^&*&^$# finger smudges get's very old. Another with no interest in the keyboard.
Yes and no. All my iPads have been cellular.
My first one was and then I realized my use style didn't necessitate that expense as it turned out it was more of an at home, at work sort of tool and both those places have very robust WiFi. When traveling I find I'd rather invest the weight into dSLR camera gear.
Now were I to get a Mini I might rethink.
I think that you're wrong about that.
I for one couldn't care less for the keyboard. I don't even do graphic design, but I would definitely buy the Apple pencil to go along with the iPad Pro, just to have it, since they work together. It's a no brainer.
I think that quite a few people who buy the iPad Pro will also be getting the pencil to go along with it.
It wouldn't even bother me if Apple didn't make the keyboard at all.
Agreed. Obviously, not everyone is an artist and will use it for art or creative work. There are others, like myself, who want it just for note taking.
I suspect many owners of Apple Technology do not make heavy or sophisticated use of it, so prolonging its physical life. With any device if it still does what you really need of it, even if it would nice to have a more powerful model with more features, then why change?
My 20inch iMac, which is approaching its 9th birthday falls into this category. The power unit needed to be replaced a couple of years ago, but was easily done by a third partyy (Apple no longer cared to support it). I would like to upgrade to a new (21.5 inch) model but have held off because I am not happy that the device is sealed which prevents me from adding extra memory at a future date should I need it. It could make the device effectively unreparable after 5 years (in the UK). Going by my previous experience, Apple would refuse to do it and it could be unlikely that a third party would be able do it: nasty, selfish Apple. I require a desk top not a vertical, sealed unit, oversized Laptop.
Finally, I suspect that the market for iPhones is sustained by geeks, sad Apple addicts who must have the latest model, and by the many people who have contracts with services providers who provide them with a "free phone". Incidentally, I wonder what the service providers actually pay for the phone and how much of the cost they indirectly pass on to their customers. I would be surprised if the price they (the service providers) paid was anywhere near its current retail cost: excellent marketing but environmentally very unfriendly. If all the I wants and therefore must haves all took a step back before purchasing, I suspect the iPhone market would drop significantly. My phone (not Apple) incidentally is now five years old as is my wive's (also not Apple), if not older. Her previous one must have have been at least 10 years old before it collapsed and had to be replaced.
Subsidies for phones are being replaced by interest free loans, at least in the US, which in many cases is better because you don't have to come up with the $199+ up front and can upgrade quicker depending on cell plan. iPads on the other hand just last a long time and for most people the performance is still good enough for what they use it for. Sales will still be there, but the upgrade cycle is more akin to desktops versus smart phones.
Am I the only one who thinks it feels better in the hand than the newer models? I know the newer ones are lighter, which is nice, but I much prefer the shape of the 2, and I'm not a fan of the shiny aluminum bezel, which has always looked kind of cheap to me. I will say this, though: if and when I do need a new one, I will definitely not feel a need to skimp, given how much I use it.
The iPad 2 was the first iPad that I ever bought. I gave mine to a family member years ago, and they're still using the iPad 2 and it still works fine for all of their needs.
iPad sales may have declined slightly, but iPad usage has certainly not declined. iPads are so great that people are using them for years and years and years, and they still work good. The same can not be said for other junk tablets that have a life span of a mosquito.
This is exactly the same with Macs. My original rMPBP 15" is holding up just as well as the day I bought it.