He always puts the "Apple is always wrong" spin on things. Witness the intellectual dishonesty at work here as he twists the meaning of "Apple would present itself as different" to mean Apple can't do bag searches like every other "rich employer." He can't seriously be implying that "Think Different" = tolerate or condone theft by employees. Nor does being a "rich employer" mean Apple should permit theft and absorb the losses. It's just dishonest naysaying without thinking it through.
Sometimes you absolutely puzzle me. How you made the jump from my stated opinion that Apple should pay Apple Store employees while they wait for bags checks to "GG condones employee theft, says Apple can't search bags" is far from logical. Very odd reasoning sir, no clue how you arrived at that. I never mentioned theft as having any part in it, nor bag checks as unfair. In fact if you check the post about Walgreens bag checks you'll note I gave it a thumbs up.
How about commenting on what I actually said instead of introducing red herrings:
They may have the right, but it doesn't mean it IS right.
You honestly think Apple needs to pinch pennies with the poorest of their employees, workers who helped make Apple the richest company on the planet so they can compensate their execs at some of the highest rates in the industry? Sounds like typical rich get richer while poor get poorer.
Apple would present itself as "different". That doesn't sound so different from any other rich employer. I wonder how far 1% of executive compensation would go towards paying those Apple Store employees for their required wait times? As a bonus it would set a good example for other wealthy techs for how the least of their employees should be treated.
Just because something is legal doesn't make it right. The law doesn't tell Apple not to pay them.
1) And you used, what, the smallest possible font for what reason? So you can have a "gotcha" moment when I didn't see it? Well Done¡ FOX News has taught you well. (See how I used the normal-sized font?)
2) And where is your sarcasm for your era argument or do you going to do a 180° again on suggesting the legal system of man is somehow now above reproach or that I'm not allowed to disagree with a decision? I pulled a screenshot for fear that you might alter the text. Plus, you can't say I ignored your comment when I post the whole fucking thing, instead of the reverent stupidity.
1) Whoa. @SolipsismY, please stop with your ludicrous assertions. I did no such thing as "gotcha" or "use the smallest possible font" -- I simply used the one I always have on AI, from the Character Viewer on my Mac's OSX. See my "most recently used" character set, and set right next to your (utterly silly) post. You're really going off the deep end here, man. Chill.
I thought that being deceptive was a new low for you..... wow, not any more.
2) You're going to tell me where and how I should use my sarcasm tag. What next? You'll tell me what to write?? Does it occur to you that I may not have been sarcastic there, and meant what I said?
Grow up./?
Or better yet, buy a pair of glasses so you can see/read better.
1) Whoa. @SolipsismY, please stop with your ludicrous assertions. I did no such thing as "gotcha" or "use the smallest possible font" -- I simply used the one I always have on AI, from the Character Viewer on my Mac's OSX. See my "most recently used" character set, and set right next to your (utterly silly) post. You're really going off the deep end here, man. Chill.
I thought that being deceptive was a new low for you..... wow, not any more.
[image showing he used the wrong character but still denies that he did]
2) You're going to tell me where and how I should use my sarcasm tag. What next? You'll tell me what to write? Does it occur to you that I may not have been sarcastic there, and meant what I said?
Grow up./?
Oh, you used the same character in this thread, huh? The evidence shows that's not the case. You can edit your post but you aren't going to get my screenshot removed.
You know I verified you used the lower-case letter "I" by using the character viewer, right?
What a bunch of pussy employees, with their "demeaning" bag checks rhetoric!" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
If it's so 'demeaning' to you, then go find another job that is more suited to your spectacular talents!
This is yet another lawsuit in a long line of totally frivolous lawsuits brought against Apple, and I'm glad to see that there are still a few competent judges around at least.
Didn't I just read about some Apple store employee in New York recently who stole millions worth of gift cards?
Of course Apple store employees should be checked, and if they don't like it, then quit.
Oh, you used the same character in this thread, huh? The evidence shows that's not the case. You can edit your post but you aren't going to get my screenshot removed.
What are you talking about? Seriously? Edit my post? When? Where? " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
I think may be confusing your repeated selective quotation with my editing.
Put away that drink (or whatever it is).... or please come back when you can pull yourself together in a more sober way, instead of spouting paranoid-sounding delusions.
What a bunch of pussy employees, with their "demeaning" bag checks rhetoric!" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
If it's so 'demeaning' to you, then go find another job that is more suited to your spectacular talents!
This is yet another lawsuit in a long line of totally frivolous lawsuits brought against Apple, and I'm glad to see that there are still a few competent judges around at least.
Didn't I just read about some Apple store employee in New York recently who stole millions of gift cards?
Of course Apple store employees should be checked, and if they don't like it, then quit.
trolling are we.
The court case was not likely "brought" by apple employees (i.e. an employee went and thought, I am going to sue my employer for $1 a day in potential rewards) -- but a class action suit lawyer trawling to find someone that has standing, then trying to build a lawsuit around it. Here is your $10, and I will take the $10 million in fees and build my summer home... type situation.
You know I verified you used the lower-case letter "I" by using the character viewer, right?
Huh? Verified what? I used exactly what I had used in the sentence of mine you quoted where you had selectively -- and deceptively -- edited out (which I highlighted in red so that no one could miss it).
It was exactly the same "Latin Subscript Small Letter i" shown in your screenshot above.(Btw, did the word "subscript" in your screenshot miss your "verification"?)
What a bunch of pussy employees, with their "demeaning" bag checks rhetoric!
If it's so 'demeaning' to you, then go find another job that is more suited to your spectacular talents!:smokey:
This is yet another lawsuit in a long line of totally frivolous lawsuits brought against Apple, and I'm glad to see that there are still a few competent judges around at least.
Didn't I just read about some Apple store employee in New York recently who stole millions of gift cards?
Of course Apple store employees should be checked, and if they don't like it, then quit.:D
Bag checks are absolutely proper. So would paying $11/hr employees to wait while they're being conducted, whether the law requires they do or not.
As for all those nice perks like buying stock options and half-price Apple Watches that someone mentioned they're going to be hard to rationalize when the choice means paying the electric bill late. I guess it's a different view from on high.
Oh, is that the complaint? I thought the act of checking itself was the problem.
Apple doesn’t sell them, though.
The search, I thought, was to prevent theft of product. An SD card, brought in... inside a camera, could carry out photos of unreleased products, but those always get out, anyway. An SD card with Apple’s diagnostic software, shipping manifests, or individual sales data ripped to it is a possibility, of course, but I don’t think the latter two have ever been leaked.
They have several complaints, one is that they are uncompensated and another is that managers/security isn't available during certain periods:
The court case was not likely "brought" by apple employees (i.e. an employee went and thought, I am going to sue my employer for $1 a day in potential rewards) -- but a class action suit lawyer trawling to find someone that has standing, then trying to build a lawsuit around it. Here is your $10, and I will take the $10 million in fees and build my summer home... type situation.
There is no evidence to conclude that was the case in this instance.
Also, I think that in these types of employee class action suits, the average payouts are higher than what you get in a typical consumer class action suit where millions of people are involved, and the average check is much smaller. Employee classes run in the thousands rather than the millions. Also, if it the court found that Apple owed them for their time, that would have to be compensated as well, on top of the lawyer fee.
Bag checks are absolutely proper. So would paying $11/hr employees to wait while they're being conducted, whether the law requires they do or not.
As for all those nice perks like buying stock options and half-price Apple Watches that someone mentioned they're going to be hard to rationalize when the choice means paying the electric bill late. I guess it's a different view from on high.
It would absolutely be proper to charge employees to use corporate property for personal use. i.e. Storage fee.
Huh? Verified what? I used exactly what I had used in the sentence of mine you quoted where you had selectively -- and deceptively -- edited out (which I highlighted in red so that no one could miss it).
It was exactly the same "Latin Subscript Small Letter i" shown in your screenshot above.(<span style="font-size:16px;line-height:1.4em;">Btw, did the word "subscript" in your screenshot miss your "verification"?)</span>
This is getting quite childish.
You did "use exactly what you had used" which is why it's duplicitous of you since it's lower-case letter "I" and in your next usage you used the upside exclamation point, yet you're trying to say you used the same punctuation in this whole thread? :no:
It would absolutely be proper to charge employees to use corporate property for personal use. i.e. Storage fee.
I have no problem with that. If a company installs lockers for rent in some DMZ area then it's perfectly reasonable to charge a nominal fee for pay for their installation and up keep.
This is quite a stimulating discussion, best I have seen in a while.
It would absolutely be proper to charge employees to use corporate property for personal use. i.e. Storage fee.
You're referring to employee lockers? Yes it would be legal. In general IMHO it would not be proper, tho there's probably some specific scenarios where it might be.
You did "use exactly what you had used" which is why it's duplicitous of you since it's lower-case letter "I" and in your next usage you used the upside exclamation point, yet you're trying to say you used the same punctuation in this whole thread?
Fucking shameful that 1) you'd try to lie like this, and 2) that you didn''t think I would verify your story.
I did not even know about this one." src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
In that response to which you refer, I simply cut and pasted the one you used in your post with the hope that the larger size might make it more obvious....
In fact, I'd been wondering where you got your larger font size (I would sometimes select the "?" and make it a larger font within the AI editing system to make it something like "?". I stopped doing so since I thought it just made my posts look awkward.
In fact -- trust me when I say that I not remotely in the mood to give you the slightest compliment, given the insulting garbage you've been posting this thread -- I had always thought that the really clever thing about the "?" was that it was quite mischievously subtle.
In any event, you are so in the realm of blather and diatribe (especially when you start using foul language), that I have little interest in continuing this sad little bit of back-and-forth pointlessness. Eyes that are not rolling must be glazing over with boredom in this forum, and I am too embarrassed to continue this nonsense.
I feel badly about the fact that I've misjudged you quite a bit during the past nine years that I've been here. (If I recall right, you've been here at least that long, under a few of different usernames). What a shame....
If the times are exaggerated then it would cost Apple an even tinier pittance to pay for them.
If they put into their retail employee handbook that if it takes over 7 minutes (up to 22 minutes) they will pay you for 15 minutes. Because the time is unlikely to come up often and most likely be at the low end, employees would agree to those terms. Additionally, because this can cost the company money in the form of hours, which retail managers have to regulate or have to deal with their regional or area manager, it would also get store manages to be more conscious of employees waiting around to have their bags checked. I'd think such a setup would have enough checks and balances on each side to have avoided such a lawsuit in the first place, even by disgruntled employees.
It's Option+1 or long-pressed on the exclamation point on the iOS keyboard. Haven't you explored your Mac keyboard by holding down the Option and Option+Shift keys?
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How about commenting on what I actually said instead of introducing red herrings:
1) And you used, what, the smallest possible font for what reason? So you can have a "gotcha" moment when I didn't see it? Well Done¡ FOX News has taught you well. (See how I used the normal-sized font?)
2) And where is your sarcasm for your era argument or do you going to do a 180° again on suggesting the legal system of man is somehow now above reproach or that I'm not allowed to disagree with a decision? I pulled a screenshot for fear that you might alter the text. Plus, you can't say I ignored your comment when I post the whole fucking thing, instead of the reverent stupidity.
1) Whoa. @SolipsismY, please stop with your ludicrous assertions. I did no such thing as "gotcha" or "use the smallest possible font" -- I simply used the one I always have on AI, from the Character Viewer on my Mac's OSX. See my "most recently used" character set, and set right next to your (utterly silly) post. You're really going off the deep end here, man. Chill.
I thought that being deceptive was a new low for you..... wow, not any more.
2) You're going to tell me where and how I should use my sarcasm tag. What next? You'll tell me what to write?? Does it occur to you that I may not have been sarcastic there, and meant what I said?
Grow up./?
Or better yet, buy a pair of glasses so you can see/read better.
The lawyer(s) of the plaintiffs should have been given the death penalty
I think you just fixed the entire justice system right there. Lawyers executed for allowing frivolous lawsuits...
Oh, you used the same character in this thread, huh? The evidence shows that's not the case. You can edit your post but you aren't going to get my screenshot removed.
You know I verified you used the lower-case letter "I" by using the character viewer, right?
What a bunch of pussy employees, with their "demeaning" bag checks rhetoric!
" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
If it's so 'demeaning' to you, then go find another job that is more suited to your spectacular talents!
This is yet another lawsuit in a long line of totally frivolous lawsuits brought against Apple, and I'm glad to see that there are still a few competent judges around at least.
Didn't I just read about some Apple store employee in New York recently who stole millions worth of gift cards?
Of course Apple store employees should be checked, and if they don't like it, then quit.
Oh, you used the same character in this thread, huh? The evidence shows that's not the case. You can edit your post but you aren't going to get my screenshot removed.
What are you talking about?
Seriously? Edit my post? When? Where? 
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I think may be confusing your repeated selective quotation with my editing.
Put away that drink (or whatever it is).... or please come back when you can pull yourself together in a more sober way, instead of spouting paranoid-sounding delusions.
What a bunch of pussy employees, with their "demeaning" bag checks rhetoric!
" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
If it's so 'demeaning' to you, then go find another job that is more suited to your spectacular talents!
This is yet another lawsuit in a long line of totally frivolous lawsuits brought against Apple, and I'm glad to see that there are still a few competent judges around at least.
Didn't I just read about some Apple store employee in New York recently who stole millions of gift cards?
Of course Apple store employees should be checked, and if they don't like it, then quit.
trolling are we.
The court case was not likely "brought" by apple employees (i.e. an employee went and thought, I am going to sue my employer for $1 a day in potential rewards) -- but a class action suit lawyer trawling to find someone that has standing, then trying to build a lawsuit around it. Here is your $10, and I will take the $10 million in fees and build my summer home... type situation.
You know I verified you used the lower-case letter "I" by using the character viewer, right?
Huh? Verified what? I used exactly what I had used in the sentence of mine you quoted where you had selectively -- and deceptively -- edited out (which I highlighted in red so that no one could miss it).
It was exactly the same "Latin Subscript Small Letter i" shown in your screenshot above.(Btw, did the word "subscript" in your screenshot miss your "verification"?)
This is getting quite childish.
As for all those nice perks like buying stock options and half-price Apple Watches that someone mentioned they're going to be hard to rationalize when the choice means paying the electric bill late. I guess it's a different view from on high.
Oh, is that the complaint? I thought the act of checking itself was the problem.
Apple doesn’t sell them, though.
The search, I thought, was to prevent theft of product. An SD card, brought in... inside a camera, could carry out photos of unreleased products, but those always get out, anyway. An SD card with Apple’s diagnostic software, shipping manifests, or individual sales data ripped to it is a possibility, of course, but I don’t think the latter two have ever been leaked.
They have several complaints, one is that they are uncompensated and another is that managers/security isn't available during certain periods:
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/07/29/apple-retail-workers-file-class-action-suit-claiming-lost-wages-over-bag-searches
Apple does sell micro SD cards in their brick and mortar stores:
http://www.apple.com/shop/product/HE662LL/B/sandisk-64gb-microsdhc-uhs-i-card-with-adapter?fnode=9f
The court case was not likely "brought" by apple employees (i.e. an employee went and thought, I am going to sue my employer for $1 a day in potential rewards) -- but a class action suit lawyer trawling to find someone that has standing, then trying to build a lawsuit around it. Here is your $10, and I will take the $10 million in fees and build my summer home... type situation.
There is no evidence to conclude that was the case in this instance.
Also, I think that in these types of employee class action suits, the average payouts are higher than what you get in a typical consumer class action suit where millions of people are involved, and the average check is much smaller. Employee classes run in the thousands rather than the millions. Also, if it the court found that Apple owed them for their time, that would have to be compensated as well, on top of the lawyer fee.
Bag checks are absolutely proper. So would paying $11/hr employees to wait while they're being conducted, whether the law requires they do or not.
As for all those nice perks like buying stock options and half-price Apple Watches that someone mentioned they're going to be hard to rationalize when the choice means paying the electric bill late. I guess it's a different view from on high.
It would absolutely be proper to charge employees to use corporate property for personal use. i.e. Storage fee.
You did "use exactly what you had used" which is why it's duplicitous of you since it's lower-case letter "I" and in your next usage you used the upside exclamation point, yet you're trying to say you used the same punctuation in this whole thread? :no:
Here's what you used in post #136.
Fucking shameful that 1) you'd try to lie like this, and 2) that you didn''t think I would verify your story.
Bag checks are absolutely proper. So would paying $11/hr employees to wait while they're being conducted, whether the law requires they do or not.
I don't work in an Apple store, but I think that the waiting time figures are vastly exagerrated and are likely far from the truth.
I have no problem with that. If a company installs lockers for rent in some DMZ area then it's perfectly reasonable to charge a nominal fee for pay for their installation and up keep.
You did "use exactly what you had used" which is why it's duplicitous of you since it's lower-case letter "I" and in your next usage you used the upside exclamation point, yet you're trying to say you used the same punctuation in this whole thread?
Here's what you used in post #136.
Fucking shameful that 1) you'd try to lie like this, and 2) that you didn''t think I would verify your story.
I did not even know about this one.
" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
In that response to which you refer, I simply cut and pasted the one you used in your post with the hope that the larger size might make it more obvious....
In fact, I'd been wondering where you got your larger font size (I would sometimes select the "?" and make it a larger font within the AI editing system to make it something like "?". I stopped doing so since I thought it just made my posts look awkward.
In fact -- trust me when I say that I not remotely in the mood to give you the slightest compliment, given the insulting garbage you've been posting this thread -- I had always thought that the really clever thing about the "?" was that it was quite mischievously subtle.
In any event, you are so in the realm of blather and diatribe (especially when you start using foul language), that I have little interest in continuing this sad little bit of back-and-forth pointlessness. Eyes that are not rolling must be glazing over with boredom in this forum, and I am too embarrassed to continue this nonsense.
I feel badly about the fact that I've misjudged you quite a bit during the past nine years that I've been here. (If I recall right, you've been here at least that long, under a few of different usernames). What a shame....
If they put into their retail employee handbook that if it takes over 7 minutes (up to 22 minutes) they will pay you for 15 minutes. Because the time is unlikely to come up often and most likely be at the low end, employees would agree to those terms. Additionally, because this can cost the company money in the form of hours, which retail managers have to regulate or have to deal with their regional or area manager, it would also get store manages to be more conscious of employees waiting around to have their bags checked. I'd think such a setup would have enough checks and balances on each side to have avoided such a lawsuit in the first place, even by disgruntled employees.
It's Option+1 or long-pressed on the exclamation point on the iOS keyboard. Haven't you explored your Mac keyboard by holding down the Option and Option+Shift keys?