Comparing Blu-Ray to DVDs? Really??? I didn't know DVDs were still around! Face it: the market is going to all streaming video, and once we hit the tipping point the collapse of physical media will be rapid.
We are very far from the tipping point. DVD's and Blu-Rays still are outselling digital/streaming movies.
People looking for an inspirational movie won't see it because the story is depressing and focuses on the negative.
If they really wanted to make money on this film they should have:
1. Made a movie that pleases Apple fans and Job's fans. Make Jobs look good and focus on the awesome things he did.
or
2. Make it an inspirational redemption story that is uplifting (think remember the Titans or Blindside)
In my humble opinion Jobs and Apple ARE a redemption story. When Jobs came back to run Apple, I bought the stock a couple years later, because I had a strong feeling this would be a redemption story like no other. Does everyone remember the business stories in the press about how stupid Apple was trying to make hardware? The pundits laughed at him and said "the money is in the Software, stupid". Microsoft gobbled up most of enterprise with their strategy of selling Windows.
Apple has indeed redeemed their strategy. Look at all the companies trying to copy their hardware. This is a part of the redemption story they could have told in a movie.
Too bad the stock has been captured somehow, doubt it will ever see MS like valuations.
One problem typical Hollywood has is they take substantial liberties with the truth and call it creative license, when it is anything but creative. Not only this Steve Jobs movie, but Enigma about Alan Turing and Theory of Everything about Stephen Hawking are abominations as to the important, facinatiing ideas and characters of these individuals (despite the breathtaking portrayal of Hawking by Eddie Redmayne).
Being creative means taking the truth, the key and important ideas, very difficult to portray, and making it understandable to an audience of non-experts. Instead, Hollywood falls back to the only thing they know -- sex, good vs evil, conflict. As such, Hollywood is anything but creative.
Have you seen Copenhagen? I liked it enough to recommend to certain people. You might be one of those people.
It was a made for TV movie adapted from a play based on Niels Bohr (Stephen Rea) and Werner Heisenberg (Daniel Craig).
Tepid interest from moviegoers has led Universal to pull the Danny Boyle-helmed film chronicling the life […]
I had no intention to see this movie as my disinterest in fiction persists for a few years now, but one of the last movies I saw was Slumdog Millionaire, which makes me doubt the movie was pulled because of Boyle's direction. From what I've read, the onus lies completely with Sorkin and his unpalatable machinations.
The headline is totally wrong BTW. Universal doesn't decide when a movie leaves theaters, the theater owners do. In the modern movie industry, the *studios* will even talk to the big theater chains (AMC, Arclight, Regal, etc.) about movies in development to make sure they're going to run the movie once it's done. If the chains won't run it, the movie probably won't get made. Super weird, but true.
I did not expect it to do well anyway. History Channel special, CNBC special, maybe even a network TV movie, but the general public is not going to pay big screen prices to see a biopic about some rich nerd. I suspect it will get a fair number of views on Netflix.
I hope those involved with making it had a good time and got a decent paycheck.
Exactly. To most people, Jobs is just a geeky guy who was making computers. No sex, no violence, no car chases, no big guns and bigger explosions... equals, hardly a cinema-worthy experience... sad, but true.
Fanboy? Is there even such thing as a Blu-Ray fanboy? Maybe you should look at it as a business analyst. To say it doesn't matter what the reason for the decline in sales is foolish. Of course that matters to the studios. But the bottom line is, big movies sell more on Blu-Ray vs DVD. Who cares about everything below that. The top 100 sales charts of 2015 so far for Blu-Ray and DVD are pretty similar. These obscure movies that sell more on DVD aren't even on sales charts.
Blu-Ray is still bringing in billions every year. Total Blu-Ray revenue worldwide isn't much different than the total DVD revenue. Market share isn't everything. As long as the studios keep making billions, Blu-Ray's wont' be going anywhere. Just in the U.S. alone, over 80 million people have a Blu-Ray player. Blu-Ray sales are expected to increase over the next few years as well with the introduction of UHD Blu-Ray's.
When I said it doesn't matter why, I meant that a studio exec can't use 'why' as an excuse. It either sells and is growing or it's not selling and in decline. It matters to the studios that BD is in decline and streaming is on the increase, because that's where they'll put their efforts.
It's actually a problem for the business that it's primarily a hit-driven business. It's not a healthy business when the 20th best selling title sells 2% of what the top selling title does. A healthy business has thousands, if not tens-of-thousands of titles that are long tail.
It is true that 80 million people have a Blu-ray player, but they're not buying many Blu-ray titles. In 2014 in the U.S., only 118 million units were sold. That's about one per Nielsen household per year.
Furthermore, like any business, you have to look at the trends. DEG just issued a report for the first 9 months of the year. Now their numbers are inconsistent with Home Media Magazine's numbers, but according to DEG, downloading and streaming is up 15.8% (in revenue), BD and DVD purchases are down 14.2% and physical disc rentals are down 7.1%. Downloads and streams now slightly exceed physical rentals and purchases. Downloads and streams have a 50.6% share of the market, physical purchases 31% and physical rentals 18.5%. In 2014, downloads and streams had a 43.9% share, physical purchases 36.2% and 19.9%. Unless the internet blows up and/or major streaming services go under, there is no way that Blu-ray sales are going to increase going forward.
4K Blu-ray is going to be a niche of a niche in spite of the fact that 2.8 million UHD sets have been sold in the U.S. so far. U.S. Blu-ray will probably come in at $1.7 billion for the year and that sounds like a lot of revenue, but streaming is already at $6.44 billion.
That doesn't mean Blu-ray disappears - movies that gross over $100 million will be available for years to come. Hell, there are still people making audiocassettes today (they seem to be popular again with hipsters). But it does mean, as I posted earlier, far fewer restorations, acquisition of classic films, newly shot extras, deluxe packaging, boxed sets and releases from independent studios, etc.
Fans of physical music put their heads in the sand as well. This year will come in at about 80 million CDs sold, compared to 942.5 million in 2000. And the overall size of the U.S. music business, including all streaming and downloading is half its former peak if you don't account for inflation. If you do account for inflation, it was at 34% of its peak in 2014 - it will be even less when 2015 closes.
but the facebook story was? my point being, it's all about the story and the way its told. perhaps this made up story and the way it was told wasnt very interesting. (i dont know tho since i havent seen it)
I think what's different about this movie is that it isn't really about the Apple we know. Instead, it's mostly about Steve Jobs when he was petulant and failed. (There's something unpleasant about making an unfairly mean portrayal of something who just died.) That means that people who know technology aren't as likely to enjoy the movie. And since the point of the movie (and the title) is Steve Jobs, that really doesn't leave much of an audience.
I would enjoy a movie about the arc of Steve's life -- He was a brilliant person doomed by his inability to work with others, but then he found redemption when he learned to harness and enjoy other people's talent in addition to his own. But this movie portrays the worst characteristics of a young man before he became the adult who created the most valuable company in the world.
I enjoyed the Ashton Kutcher Jobs movie more than this one. Kutcher at least looks like Jobs and the story was far more telling and natural. I know that it wasn't a strict biography, but it captured the spirit and challenges of his life much better and was far more interesting.
Saw the movie over the weekend. Very disappointed by the movie. Sorkin took a very good biopic by Walter Issacson and butchered it. I think a documentary of the book on PBS or History that cover the book from 1st to last page would have done a better justice.
I wonder how many of the people dissing this movie have actually seen it if they did understood what this movie even about? Unfortunately too many geeks have any imagination and can understand art. This movie is NOT a biography of your cult's iconic leader but conceptual piece about creativity and technology which is more true to Jobs than any book could ever be.
For some of us, it wasn't lack of interest, but rather a protest. I respected Steve Jobs. I also like Aaron Sorkin's work a lot. But out of respect for Steve's widow, who refused to cooperate with the making of this film, I chose to forego seeing it during the first three weeks of release, the ones that count when it comes to economic success. I will see it on Netflix, where it will appear sooner rather than later because of what's happened. A price will have been paid for this Ill-advised and ill-timed exercise in historical fiction.
The numbers come from Home Media Magazine and are accurately reported in my post.
At the end of 2014, in the U.S., Blu-ray had a 31.3% physical market revenue share and a 21% physical market unit share and as I posted was down almost 8% in revenue and 5% in units. Having DVD still sell 79% of the physical market units after almost ten years of Blu is a freaking disaster.
Blu-ray only outsells DVD for about five titles a week. That's actually pretty awful. In the week ending 11/1, only six titles sold more on Blu: Monty Python and the Holy Grail (79.46%), Jurassic Park (64.14%), Avengers Ultron (57.08%), Back to the Future Trilogy (54.6%), Jurassic Park collection (54.02%) and Mad Max: Fury Road (52.89%). The title with the 20th best Blu-ray share sold 68% of its units on DVD. Now imagine everything below that.
It doesn't matter what the reason for the decline in sales is. All that matters is whether it's growing or not. Studios are not interested in declining markets or media formats. Saying, "well it's only declining because of streaming media sales" is like saying "well, the Samsung is only declining because of iPhone sales".
Stop being a fanboy for a few minutes and look at it like a business analyst. Ask any studio whether they're happy with Blu-ray sales. Sony even considered dropping Blu entirely.
Its such a failure that there will be an UltraHD BD disk being marketed early next year.
I blame that on the "business analyst" that you so kindly reference.
Good or bad, fictional or not, the move was boring. I wish one of you guys here on the forum wrote the script--it would have been reality based, honest and lightyears more enjoyable. Maybe next time....
I wonder how many of the people dissing this movie have actually seen it if they did understood what this movie even about? Unfortunately too many geeks have any imagination and can understand art. This movie is NOT a biography of your cult's iconic leader but conceptual piece about creativity and technology which is more true to Jobs than any book could ever be.
The movie blows, I shared the theater with one other person on opening day!
What moron of a producer could possibly think a Jobs movie would appeal to a majority of the Apple faithful when it totally ignored his greatest accomplishments? The early years of building a computer in the family garage, sowing wild oats and being a total ass of a boss have already been well chronicled in various media venues. What we really don't understand is how the hell he developed those clairvoyant qualities which allowed him to figure out what customers wanted before they themselves did. And how this single man, a visionary and a savvy businessman, humanized personal computing and moved an entire industry starting with the demise of the floppy disk which Jobs was first to declare archaic technology.
Oh, this movie really could have been great but instead it's a colossal bust.
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Comparing Blu-Ray to DVDs? Really??? I didn't know DVDs were still around! Face it: the market is going to all streaming video, and once we hit the tipping point the collapse of physical media will be rapid.
We are very far from the tipping point. DVD's and Blu-Rays still are outselling digital/streaming movies.
In my humble opinion Jobs and Apple ARE a redemption story. When Jobs came back to run Apple, I bought the stock a couple years later, because I had a strong feeling this would be a redemption story like no other. Does everyone remember the business stories in the press about how stupid Apple was trying to make hardware? The pundits laughed at him and said "the money is in the Software, stupid". Microsoft gobbled up most of enterprise with their strategy of selling Windows.
Apple has indeed redeemed their strategy. Look at all the companies trying to copy their hardware. This is a part of the redemption story they could have told in a movie.
Too bad the stock has been captured somehow, doubt it will ever see MS like valuations.
One problem typical Hollywood has is they take substantial liberties with the truth and call it creative license, when it is anything but creative. Not only this Steve Jobs movie, but Enigma about Alan Turing and Theory of Everything about Stephen Hawking are abominations as to the important, facinatiing ideas and characters of these individuals (despite the breathtaking portrayal of Hawking by Eddie Redmayne).
Being creative means taking the truth, the key and important ideas, very difficult to portray, and making it understandable to an audience of non-experts. Instead, Hollywood falls back to the only thing they know -- sex, good vs evil, conflict. As such, Hollywood is anything but creative.
Have you seen Copenhagen? I liked it enough to recommend to certain people. You might be one of those people.
It was a made for TV movie adapted from a play based on Niels Bohr (Stephen Rea) and Werner Heisenberg (Daniel Craig).
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0340057/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_46
Tepid interest from moviegoers has led Universal to pull the Danny Boyle-helmed film chronicling the life […]
I had no intention to see this movie as my disinterest in fiction persists for a few years now, but one of the last movies I saw was Slumdog Millionaire, which makes me doubt the movie was pulled because of Boyle's direction. From what I've read, the onus lies completely with Sorkin and his unpalatable machinations.
The headline is totally wrong BTW. Universal doesn't decide when a movie leaves theaters, the theater owners do. In the modern movie industry, the *studios* will even talk to the big theater chains (AMC, Arclight, Regal, etc.) about movies in development to make sure they're going to run the movie once it's done. If the chains won't run it, the movie probably won't get made. Super weird, but true.
Exactly. To most people, Jobs is just a geeky guy who was making computers. No sex, no violence, no car chases, no big guns and bigger explosions... equals, hardly a cinema-worthy experience... sad, but true.
Fanboy? Is there even such thing as a Blu-Ray fanboy? Maybe you should look at it as a business analyst. To say it doesn't matter what the reason for the decline in sales is foolish. Of course that matters to the studios. But the bottom line is, big movies sell more on Blu-Ray vs DVD. Who cares about everything below that. The top 100 sales charts of 2015 so far for Blu-Ray and DVD are pretty similar. These obscure movies that sell more on DVD aren't even on sales charts.
Blu-Ray is still bringing in billions every year. Total Blu-Ray revenue worldwide isn't much different than the total DVD revenue. Market share isn't everything. As long as the studios keep making billions, Blu-Ray's wont' be going anywhere. Just in the U.S. alone, over 80 million people have a Blu-Ray player. Blu-Ray sales are expected to increase over the next few years as well with the introduction of UHD Blu-Ray's.
When I said it doesn't matter why, I meant that a studio exec can't use 'why' as an excuse. It either sells and is growing or it's not selling and in decline. It matters to the studios that BD is in decline and streaming is on the increase, because that's where they'll put their efforts.
It's actually a problem for the business that it's primarily a hit-driven business. It's not a healthy business when the 20th best selling title sells 2% of what the top selling title does. A healthy business has thousands, if not tens-of-thousands of titles that are long tail.
It is true that 80 million people have a Blu-ray player, but they're not buying many Blu-ray titles. In 2014 in the U.S., only 118 million units were sold. That's about one per Nielsen household per year.
Furthermore, like any business, you have to look at the trends. DEG just issued a report for the first 9 months of the year. Now their numbers are inconsistent with Home Media Magazine's numbers, but according to DEG, downloading and streaming is up 15.8% (in revenue), BD and DVD purchases are down 14.2% and physical disc rentals are down 7.1%. Downloads and streams now slightly exceed physical rentals and purchases. Downloads and streams have a 50.6% share of the market, physical purchases 31% and physical rentals 18.5%. In 2014, downloads and streams had a 43.9% share, physical purchases 36.2% and 19.9%. Unless the internet blows up and/or major streaming services go under, there is no way that Blu-ray sales are going to increase going forward.
4K Blu-ray is going to be a niche of a niche in spite of the fact that 2.8 million UHD sets have been sold in the U.S. so far. U.S. Blu-ray will probably come in at $1.7 billion for the year and that sounds like a lot of revenue, but streaming is already at $6.44 billion.
That doesn't mean Blu-ray disappears - movies that gross over $100 million will be available for years to come. Hell, there are still people making audiocassettes today (they seem to be popular again with hipsters). But it does mean, as I posted earlier, far fewer restorations, acquisition of classic films, newly shot extras, deluxe packaging, boxed sets and releases from independent studios, etc.
Fans of physical music put their heads in the sand as well. This year will come in at about 80 million CDs sold, compared to 942.5 million in 2000. And the overall size of the U.S. music business, including all streaming and downloading is half its former peak if you don't account for inflation. If you do account for inflation, it was at 34% of its peak in 2014 - it will be even less when 2015 closes.
but the facebook story was? my point being, it's all about the story and the way its told. perhaps this made up story and the way it was told wasnt very interesting. (i dont know tho since i havent seen it)
I think what's different about this movie is that it isn't really about the Apple we know. Instead, it's mostly about Steve Jobs when he was petulant and failed. (There's something unpleasant about making an unfairly mean portrayal of something who just died.) That means that people who know technology aren't as likely to enjoy the movie. And since the point of the movie (and the title) is Steve Jobs, that really doesn't leave much of an audience.
I would enjoy a movie about the arc of Steve's life -- He was a brilliant person doomed by his inability to work with others, but then he found redemption when he learned to harness and enjoy other people's talent in addition to his own. But this movie portrays the worst characteristics of a young man before he became the adult who created the most valuable company in the world.
All they had to do was to read these forums to see how the movie was going to do. To sum it up...
1. Michael Fassbender doesn't look like Steve Jobs. It doesn't matter how well he acts.
2. His friends, family and fans didn't want the movie made.
3. "I'll watch it on Netflix."
2. Make it an inspirational redemption story that is uplifting (think remember the Titans or Blindside)
Try when someone turns "Becoming Steve Jobs" into a movie. Unfortunately, it will take Disney to do it.
Disclaimer: I own both Apple and Disney stock (originally Pixar) because I'm a FAN of Apple and Pixar! Chilling at a mall because of it.
I wonder how many of the people dissing this movie have actually seen it if they did understood what this movie even about? Unfortunately too many geeks have any imagination and can understand art. This movie is NOT a biography of your cult's iconic leader but conceptual piece about creativity and technology which is more true to Jobs than any book could ever be.
The numbers come from Home Media Magazine and are accurately reported in my post.
At the end of 2014, in the U.S., Blu-ray had a 31.3% physical market revenue share and a 21% physical market unit share and as I posted was down almost 8% in revenue and 5% in units. Having DVD still sell 79% of the physical market units after almost ten years of Blu is a freaking disaster.
Blu-ray only outsells DVD for about five titles a week. That's actually pretty awful. In the week ending 11/1, only six titles sold more on Blu: Monty Python and the Holy Grail (79.46%), Jurassic Park (64.14%), Avengers Ultron (57.08%), Back to the Future Trilogy (54.6%), Jurassic Park collection (54.02%) and Mad Max: Fury Road (52.89%). The title with the 20th best Blu-ray share sold 68% of its units on DVD. Now imagine everything below that.
It doesn't matter what the reason for the decline in sales is. All that matters is whether it's growing or not. Studios are not interested in declining markets or media formats. Saying, "well it's only declining because of streaming media sales" is like saying "well, the Samsung is only declining because of iPhone sales".
Stop being a fanboy for a few minutes and look at it like a business analyst. Ask any studio whether they're happy with Blu-ray sales. Sony even considered dropping Blu entirely.
Its such a failure that there will be an UltraHD BD disk being marketed early next year.
I blame that on the "business analyst" that you so kindly reference.
Which makes you full of shit.
Good or bad, fictional or not, the move was boring. I wish one of you guys here on the forum wrote the script--it would have been reality based, honest and lightyears more enjoyable. Maybe next time....
Horse feathers.
I've said it before, but "Fictional Biopic" isn't an Academy Award category.
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The movie blows, I shared the theater with one other person on opening day!
What moron of a producer could possibly think a Jobs movie would appeal to a majority of the Apple faithful when it totally ignored his greatest accomplishments? The early years of building a computer in the family garage, sowing wild oats and being a total ass of a boss have already been well chronicled in various media venues. What we really don't understand is how the hell he developed those clairvoyant qualities which allowed him to figure out what customers wanted before they themselves did. And how this single man, a visionary and a savvy businessman, humanized personal computing and moved an entire industry starting with the demise of the floppy disk which Jobs was first to declare archaic technology.
Oh, this movie really could have been great but instead it's a colossal bust.