Anyone else completely disappointed?
While watching the keynote this morning, I found myself utterly disappointed to the point of laughter at certain times. The new iapps, such as ical and even itunes 3, they to me are unimpressive at best. During the ical demo i couldnt hold back my laughter. However, isync looks pretty cool along with rendevous, but for the most part everything else looks pretty bland. And forget about .mac, no chance I'll take part in that.
I dont know, it could be just me, but Apple trying to innovate its way through the economic downturn is in turn producing some lame stuff - almost looks like they're trying too hard. Whynot do what other industry leaders are doing and drop prices across the board? At least make some attempt to stay competitive. Overpriced and underpowered didnt work when the economy was booming and it sure as hell isnt gonna work now.
Having said all this, I am still a mac user, and will continue to be one. I just wont upgrade until I can justify spending a relatively large sum of cash on a new mac - and until the performace of such hardware, at the bare minimum, reaches the industry standard - I cant do it, its just not worth it. So here's to the future, hopefully it'll come sooner than later <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
[ 07-17-2002: Message edited by: DanMacMan ]</p>
I dont know, it could be just me, but Apple trying to innovate its way through the economic downturn is in turn producing some lame stuff - almost looks like they're trying too hard. Whynot do what other industry leaders are doing and drop prices across the board? At least make some attempt to stay competitive. Overpriced and underpowered didnt work when the economy was booming and it sure as hell isnt gonna work now.
Having said all this, I am still a mac user, and will continue to be one. I just wont upgrade until I can justify spending a relatively large sum of cash on a new mac - and until the performace of such hardware, at the bare minimum, reaches the industry standard - I cant do it, its just not worth it. So here's to the future, hopefully it'll come sooner than later <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
[ 07-17-2002: Message edited by: DanMacMan ]</p>
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Is there any doubt that an Apple armed with competitive hardware would gobble up market share in the creative content creation and publishing, and even BUSINESS markets? That's right, business, look at that OSX.2 demo again, and tell me some really great business solutions aren't represented there. I see some very neat executive toys looming in the technology they've presented today. Put some of those neat techs on a model with a better price/performance ratio and you have an edu macine par-excellence. But the point of entry still has to be lower for the consumer stuff, and the performance has to be higher for everything from the top iBooks and iMacs on up.
I know it isn't 100% Apple's fault -- Mot and IBM have macs' gaping unlubed a$$holes over a barrel and their doing damage to the sensitive tissues.
But I'm encouraged that Steve really came out swinging on this one. Did you count the number of times Steve practically dared M$ to go ahead and pull Office/IE ??? Somethings brewing in Cupertino, shake it off Mac heads, get yourselves some <a href="http://shop.store.yahoo.com/buyinprivate/tucmedhempad.html"; target="_blank">Tucks</a> and get ready to reclaim your sphincters, I see a bright ream-free future!
[ 07-17-2002: Message edited by: Matsu ]</p>
Many people who are disappointed either belived rumors. expected a g5 or did not listen to apple when they said they are trying to move away from macworlds for big announements.
I myself and very intersted in built in Calendar software that syncs easy. Don't you realize this could be a harbinger of future PDA's. Apple must realize the components necessary for a successful re-entry into this market.
itunes 3. Lower CPU util. You'll LOVE the smart playlists if you have tons of music.
.mac. Rember iTools is gone Sept 30th which means that some suprise features could pop into .mac by then. As a paying customer you'd have more of a right to request features and fixes. There is always good even if it cost a bit.
Bluetooth syncing with your cellphone!
Auto-network sensing of printers!
A calendar app that syncs with the iPod!
I was amazed at all they showed. Some very innovative solutions.
What, just because it's not all new hardware you're not impressed? Stop living off of false expectations that Apple can save the world and your boring computing life.
Seems to me that some of what they demo'd could be very useful in the business world. In fact, I would rather Apple focus on making computing more productive for the business world than on making toys such as the iPod.
If all you're interested in is hardware specs, naturally you'll be disappointed (most likely by anything Apple puts out at this point).
I was so dissapointed with the .mac, that I made a desktop: .mac/.shitty
If Apple releases hardware offpeak, it has a much better appeal to stock buyers.
Check out all of the promotions for Powermacs at the Apple Store.
So Apple didn't make your "dick" (G4 Tower that you bought 3-6 months ago) bigger and stronger...
Bummer!
You'll still wait and you'll still cough up the dough for them and Jaguar...believe me. In four to five weeks you'll be gushing about your new G4 Tower and your purchase of OS X 10.2...fools...I've been on these boards for three years and I've seen the same people regurgitate the same crap.
The only signal we'll know that you have moved to the "dork side" is when your names disappear from these boards...and good riddance...there...said my annual sturm and drang.
gve up typing more because I'm on one of them fast and powerful windoze machines tasdfs so screwed jf now that this form field is going ballistic.......
Sadly 4 minus 2 seems to equal -1
As far as Im concerned, the iApps are wonderful, were really kicking butt here at the level of consumer/prosumer, but the trouble for me is that of all the iApps, I Dont use them or need them.
Jagwire is years ahead of XP, but do I need that from an OS? No. All of the stuff demoed today, is indeed very impressive, but I wont use it.
All I care about is how long a Cinema 4d render is going to take and how many virtual instruments I can run in Cubase. All else is guff. The only thing really keeping me mac at the moment is the considerable investment in mac software. But pretty soon I'll be able to buy a top PC and all the SW crossgrades for less than a mid range Powermac. Infact I could do it now, but theres still some loyalty to the mac left in me that made me buy a mac back in 97.
The first 10 minutes of the MW stream, before the keynote started, bought a tear to my eye, in the sense that I feel part of a community that knows we are 'superior' (for want of better phrase), but have seen some pretty bad times in the face of ruthless oppression. My tear is the hope that this keynote will be the big one that will dispel my doubt that the mac will ever be anything but a slowly sinking ship. But this one wasn't the one. I just can't see that Apple can go on like this. You can have all the iApps you like, but if the HW is 2 years behind and progressing at 1/2 the rate, the writing is on the wall. Even if it takes another 5 years to go.
Please Steve/Moto/IBM/Anybody, give us some 2ghz G5 etc, and we can surely rise above this 5%. Its all we need to complete the puzzle. You must know that. For gods sake sort it out.
New PMs would have been nice, but I'm not in the market for one right now anyway, so it doesn't make a diff to me.
HA!
It was a FANTASTIC MacWorld!
The possibilities of the OS are beginning to startle me, and calling iCal "unimpressive" tells me that you might be a student who doesn't really have a schedule to maintain, much less one that you might have to share with clients and colleagues.
To have something that can be shared and subscribed-to is an exciting new concept. Even if we find out that they just bought somebody else's app doesn't matter, it ROCKS and can publish itself to the net. Getouttahea!
I can't wait to see the PowerMacs debut, but I won't be buying until Q1 or Q2 of 2003 so I can afford to wait them out.
No whinging here.
D
The software was brilliant, absolutely unbefu[kinglievable. Jaguar rocks, the new iApps are solid, and iTunes 3 is a nice update.
iPods can now be had for $300, and Apple woke up by including a case and belt clip + remote control with them. Nice.
Finally, the new 17" iMac rocks. The price is a bit high, unfortunately, but I suppose there isn't much Apple can do about that. The eMac takes care of the low end, and it has a very nice CRT display. I'm sure the 17" LCD will trickle down through the iMac lineup, and a year from now practically the whole lineup will be using that totally bad-ass display. The only dissapointment is that the iMac didn't get speed bumped CPUs and busses...perhaps this will come at a special event sometime after Powermacs are bumped?
I only have two complaints:
1. Jaguar's cost. I think Apple should be aiming to get as many Mac users updgraded to OS X as possible, and to establish a sterling reputation for OS X. Free 10.2 updates would have done this, by making sure that every Mac running OS X is running the best version possible, it improves Apple's image. I can't believe that Apple makes all that much money off these OS updates, seems to me that if they can spend nearly $100 million on an ad campaign, they can give out free OS X updates so that each Mac running OS X is an advertisement for Apple's latest technology.
2. Dot Mac. This one really gets me. WTF!! iTools is great as a free service, but NO WAY is it worth $100 per year! Added to that is Apple pulling the plug on those who already have email accounts. I guess I'll be losing my .mac email addy, too bad. Would it really kill Apple to at least keep email accounts free? I can understand charging for server space, but email could at least be free. I think it would have been better if Apple had simply pulled the plug on iTools, rather than trying to charge longstanding iTools users obscene amounts for the service. $100??!?!? I've seen it all now.
I will say 9
[ 07-17-2002: Message edited by: Leonis ]</p>
<strong>Well, I should, in the interest of consistency, be hugely dissapointed, but I'm not. Te software display put on by Steve and Co today was very VERY impressive. And the 17" widescreen iMac is a big step in the right direction, as is a 299 iPod (and the whole Windows Trojan Horse thing).
Is there any doubt that an Apple armed with competitive hardware would gobble up market share in the creative content creation and publishing, and even BUSINESS markets? That's right, business, look at that OSX.2 demo again, and tell me some really great business solutions aren't represented there. I see some very neat executive toys looming in the technology they've presented today. Put some of those neat techs on a model with a better price/performance ratio and you have an edu macine par-excellence. But the point of entry still has to be lower for the consumer stuff, and the performance has to be higher for everything from the top iBooks and iMacs on up.
I know it isn't 100% Apple's fault -- Mot and IBM have macs' gaping unlubed a$$holes over a barrel and their doing damage to the sensitive tissues.
But I'm encouraged that Steve really came out swinging on this one. Did you count the number of times Steve practically dared M$ to go ahead and pull Office/IE ??? Somethings brewing in Cupertino, shake it off Mac heads, get yourselves some <a href="http://shop.store.yahoo.com/buyinprivate/tucmedhempad.html"; target="_blank">Tucks</a> and get ready to reclaim your sphincters, I see a bright ream-free future!</strong><hr></blockquote>
OMG! Matsu isn't bitching :eek:
Seriously though I thought it was a great show. A lot of it was very consumer oriented, which I expected and Jaguar along with future OSs have some really great potential.
Personally I think a lot of what Apple introduced was trying to attack entourage by introducing things at the system level. I would like to see a few features that weren't in iCal but by and large I wasn't too displeased.
One last thing is I was impressed at a 17" iMac at sub $2000. Now if only they would bump them all a little more.
[ 07-17-2002: Message edited by: Telomar ]</p>