The source suggests that people wanting Apple-made noise-canceling headphones won't get them out of the box, but will probably have to buy them separately, possibly from the company's Beats division.
Say what you will about Beats, but this means Apple may finally have an earbud that stays in the ear. Now THAT would be revolutionary technology.
Water resistance is high on my list. Too many times that I'm outside and worried about pulling my phone out in the rain, or walking in the woods with the dogs. ...
That degree of water resistance (walking in the rain) has been in the iPhone for many generations now. The current one (iPhone 6s) you can even drop in the toilet and if you pull it out within a minute or so, no problem.
So, you're saying the old five-second rule is no more?
The current mini analog headphone jack was based on the 1/4 inch jack on audio components going back decades (the original 1/4 inch phone connector dates back to the late 19th century). The mini jack in it's mono form for consumers goes back to transistor radios that we carried around to listen to the ball games on AM radio. (many of you are too young to know what a transistor radio is, made in Japan, and why we would listen to AM radio. FM hadn't been created yet.) The Sony Walkman made stereo connectors and mini headphones popular. The only change over the years was to add additional connectors within the jack in order to add features like power and microphone.
Hey, I know what a transistor is. In fact I know the latest definition: It's your sister that used to be your little brother.
talk about cart before the horse. water resistance solves a real problem for normal people on the street. bezel size is something only phone nerds contemplate online.
You're kidding, right? A larger screen, or smaller overall handset size; only appeals to phone nerds. That's clueless?
Just give me a better battery and I'll gladly give you another 1000 bucks
Here's a question ... What would happen if Samsung stopped copying Apple and stopped making thin phones, but instead made thicker phones with double the battery capacity? Would they pull away Apple customers? And if so would Apple change its philosophy?
Since the industry doesn't appear to want to create a new digital standard for headphone connectors...
The earphone connection is analog, not digital. If indeed Apple is getting rid of this connector, it's not to make the phone thinner. The primary reason is to force people to buy Apple earphones, which at least initially, would be the only ones using the Lightning connector. And since I don't think the Lightning connector can support an analog signal, the D/A converter would have to be in the earphones, making them far more expensive and possibly more bulky.
If Apple gets rid of the standard headphone minijack, my current iPhone will most likely be my last. This thinness obsession is ridiculous. Apple has become like the sad, little anorexic girl. She's down to 70 pounds, but whenever she looks in the mirror, she still thinks she's too fat. I don't want an Android or Windows phone, but Apple is going to push me there and for no good reason.
The space that jack takes up would not be used for a bigger battery because the battery can't extend down that far due to other components.
If they make the phone thinner, that presumably means a thinner battery. People want longer battery life, not less. If they get rid of the earphone jack, it means you can't charge the phone and listen at the same time. And it also means a much greater number of insertions in the Lightning connector, which has been a failure point on previous iPhones of mine. Of course if they do have wireless charging, that would reduce the stress on that jack.
Double the battery size and make the iPhone twice as thick and I'd be far happier. Why does the iPhone have to be thinner? So it looks good in TV commercials? Just about everyone carries it in a case anyway, so the thinness is completely irrelevant. What's going to sell more phones? Making it thinner or doubling the battery life (at the cost of a thicker phone)?
I wouldn't give it too much thought right now, given that they are just rumours. I am sure Apple has been asking the same questions that you have and probably a lot more.
As for obsession with thinness, it is this obsession that made it possible to create the Watch and will pay more dividends when v2 releases.
Also, most people using a case for the iPhone as a case (pardon the pun) against thinness is not a strong argument. If they use a case either way, then isn't it better the phone is thinner so it still is lighter when you put the case on?
Personally, I feel most arguments for a longer battery life are moot now with the 6 and 6 Plus. Even with heavy usage, the battery lasts all day. For an under-user like me, after 2 days and 2 nights, the battery on my 6S Plus is at 25%, which is more than what I can ask for.
There was a time when people in sales and marketing had genuine issues with the iPhone since the battery wouldn't last their heavy usage conditions for a full day, but I think that is not the case anymore.
Just give me a better battery and I'll gladly give you another 1000 bucks
Here's a question ... What would happen if Samsung stopped copying Apple and stopped making thin phones, but instead made thicker phones with double the battery capacity? Would they pull away Apple customers? And if so would Apple change its philosophy?
An interesting line of thought. I wonder how Samsung would market it? If they say it lasts 3 days without charging, then would it really entice people back? The Edge gimmick didn't do the trick, the Note with stylus didn't do the trick, the inductive ("wireless") charging didn't do the trick.
Maybe Apple have engrained thinness so much into marketing that Samsung may find it difficult to convince people with a fatter phone. It would probably lead to phone body shaming.
I do not think that Samsung will ever get back to where they were with the Galaxy S3. And until they get to those heights, Apple will not change their game plan.
Come to think of it, I don't think Apple will change it's game plan based on other companies anyway. I assume bigger screens were built into the roadmap and they got there when they felt all the trade-offs were acceptable.
Wireless Charging? Not so much. I imagine wireless charging would require you to take your iPhone out of its case, which seems like a bigger hassle to me. I prefer the speed of the Lightning Port.
Of course, wireless charging would solve the problem for those listening to music with wired headphones while charging their phone
Nice additions to the iPhone 7, but the one thing I want most is a larger battery for longer life. While the Plus has excellent battery life, it's too big for my pockets and besides, I prefer the smaller form factor. There's no reason that Apple can't focus as much on battery life as it does on aesthetics.
Apple don't want you to have better battery life.
Li-ion batteries start to deteriorate from the minute they are manufactured, irrespective of charging cycles or use. Just sitting there doing nothing they deteriorate, losing 20% of their capacity every year.
Phones have reached their Core 2 Duo equivalent of processing power, in now having plenty for most people's needs. There needs to be something compelling to get people to upgrade to the next iPhone, so Apple give you just enough battery capacity to get you through a day on a charge when the phone is new, knowing that it won't be nearly enough in 18 months time, giving you a wonderful incentive to buy a new one.
Every time there are advances in technology that reduce power usage and requirements, Apple 'thins', rather than provide better battery life.
Nice additions to the iPhone 7, but the one thing I want most is a larger battery for longer life. While the Plus has excellent battery life, it's too big for my pockets and besides, I prefer the smaller form factor. There's no reason that Apple can't focus as much on battery life as it does on aesthetics.
Apple don't want you to have better battery life.
Li-ion batteries start to deteriorate from the minute they are manufactured, irrespective of charging cycles or use. Just sitting there doing nothing they deteriorate, losing 20% of their capacity every year.
Phones have reached their Core 2 Duo equivalent of processing power, in now having plenty for most people's needs. There needs to be something compelling to get people to upgrade to the next iPhone, so Apple give you just enough battery capacity to get you through a day on a charge when the phone is new, knowing that it won't be nearly enough in 18 months time, giving you a wonderful incentive to buy a new one.
Every time there are advances in technology that reduce power usage and requirements, Apple 'thins', rather than provide better battery life.
Your statement doesn't jibe with that link bellow BTW,
Also, I've had a 3GS with a battery that lasted 6 years and still gave 3 hours of use, 18h standby after those 6 years. Why? Shallow cycling; meaning I rarely went bellow 30%.
Li-ion batteries start to deteriorate from the minute they are manufactured, irrespective of charging cycles or use. Just sitting there doing nothing they deteriorate, losing 20% of their capacity every year.
Phones have reached their Core 2 Duo equivalent of processing power, in now having plenty for most people's needs. There needs to be something compelling to get people to upgrade to the next iPhone, so Apple give you just enough battery capacity to get you through a day on a charge when the phone is new, knowing that it won't be nearly enough in 18 months time, giving you a wonderful incentive to buy a new one.
Every time there are advances in technology that reduce power usage and requirements, Apple 'thins', rather than provide better battery life.
Your statement doesn't jibe with that link bellow BTW,
Also, I've had a 3GS with a battery that lasted 6 years and still gave 3 hours of use, 18h standby after those 6 years. Why? Shallow cycling; meaning I rarely went bellow 30%.
A Battery that's stored at 0% already won't last long; that's why they're usually stored half charged.
My late 2012 Macbook Pro:
I don't quite see how the article doesn't jibe with what I said.
Table 3 of you linked page demonstrates capacity loss as a function of temperature and state of charge. The table implies a battery stored with an initial 100% charge for one year at 25° C could expect a capacity reduction of 20%
My Samsung Wave is 5.5 years old and still has useful longevity on it's original battery and is still usable - so I still use it. I know that seems to contradict what I said but it used to be a lot better and was GSM Arena's battery life champ for years, so it was starting from a pinacle position. I am mystified as to why it is still doing so well when the batteries in my Apple laptops tend to be pretty useless after 3 years. The MBP is the best of them so far, despite the above warning that it's defective.
Your statement doesn't jibe with that link bellow BTW,
Also, I've had a 3GS with a battery that lasted 6 years and still gave 3 hours of use, 18h standby after those 6 years. Why? Shallow cycling; meaning I rarely went bellow 30%.
A Battery that's stored at 0% already won't last long; that's why they're usually stored half charged.
My late 2012 Macbook Pro:
I don't quite see how the article doesn't jibe with what I said.
Table 3 of you linked page demonstrates capacity loss as a function of temperature and state of charge. The table implies a battery stored with an initial 100% charge for one year at 25° C could expect a capacity reduction of 20%
My Samsung Wave is 5.5 years old and still has useful longevity on it's original battery and is still usable - so I still use it. I know that seems to contradict what I said but it used to be a lot better and was GSM Arena's battery life champ for years, so it was starting from a pinacle position. I am mystified as to why it is still doing so well when the batteries in my Apple laptops tend to be pretty useless after 3 years. The MBP is the best of them so far, despite the above warning that it's defective.
That's it 100%, of charge... That's not how you use your phone usually... But it may be how you use your laptop. That's why it's actually not a good idea to always use your laptop plugged in at all time.
It's particularly bad to use your laptop or cell phone at 100% if it's in heavy use (because you'll heat your device more and 100% and heat means even quicker degradation)
So, it doesn't jibe because actual use is not 100% all the time, as soon as you leave 100%, are at 90-95%, the decrease is significantly slower. Same thing with letting your phone do a deep discharge.
Batteries last a lot longer if they're in the 25-75% for most of their life.
Just give me a better battery and I'll gladly give you another 1000 bucks
Here's a question ... What would happen if Samsung stopped copying Apple and stopped making thin phones, but instead made thicker phones with double the battery capacity? Would they pull away Apple customers? And if so would Apple change its philosophy?
Oh that's great. Wireless charging and a waterproof phone. Two things I never realized I needed ... not until Apple delivers them. Then I will NEEEED them. Not.
Losing the 3.5mm headphone jack though means potentially throwing away my new Bose noise-cancelling QC20 buds - that ain't happening. So if there's no adapter then I may be skipping a couple of generations of iPhones, until someone makes an adapter. Love the Bose NC-buds!
Losing the 3.5mm headphone jack though means potentially throwing away my new Bose noise-cancelling QC20 buds - that ain't happening. So if there's no adapter then I may be skipping a couple of generations of iPhones, until someone makes an adapter. Love the Bose NC-buds!
If Apple releases the next iPhone without a dedicated headphone jack, I'm sure they will also release an adapter. Look at what they did with USB-C. Maybe not all the adapters at once but enough to get started.
I haven't seen any comments about what Apple might need the space from the headphone jack for. They have a couple patents for a zoom lens, which looks like it would much more room than the current camera. Some shifting of components, removal of the headphone jack, and now there's room.
Comments
Say what you will about Beats, but this means Apple may finally have an earbud that stays in the ear. Now THAT would be revolutionary technology.
As for obsession with thinness, it is this obsession that made it possible to create the Watch and will pay more dividends when v2 releases.
Also, most people using a case for the iPhone as a case (pardon the pun) against thinness is not a strong argument. If they use a case either way, then isn't it better the phone is thinner so it still is lighter when you put the case on?
Personally, I feel most arguments for a longer battery life are moot now with the 6 and 6 Plus. Even with heavy usage, the battery lasts all day. For an under-user like me, after 2 days and 2 nights, the battery on my 6S Plus is at 25%, which is more than what I can ask for.
There was a time when people in sales and marketing had genuine issues with the iPhone since the battery wouldn't last their heavy usage conditions for a full day, but I think that is not the case anymore.
The Edge gimmick didn't do the trick, the Note with stylus didn't do the trick, the inductive ("wireless") charging didn't do the trick.
Maybe Apple have engrained thinness so much into marketing that Samsung may find it difficult to convince people with a fatter phone. It would probably lead to phone body shaming.
I do not think that Samsung will ever get back to where they were with the Galaxy S3. And until they get to those heights, Apple will not change their game plan.
Come to think of it, I don't think Apple will change it's game plan based on other companies anyway. I assume bigger screens were built into the roadmap and they got there when they felt all the trade-offs were acceptable.
Wireless Charging? Not so much. I imagine wireless charging would require you to take your iPhone out of its case, which seems like a bigger hassle to me. I prefer the speed of the Lightning Port.
Of course, wireless charging would solve the problem for those listening to music with wired headphones while charging their phone
Li-ion batteries start to deteriorate from the minute they are manufactured, irrespective of charging cycles or use. Just sitting there doing nothing they deteriorate, losing 20% of their capacity every year.
Phones have reached their Core 2 Duo equivalent of processing power, in now having plenty for most people's needs. There needs to be something compelling to get people to upgrade to the next iPhone, so Apple give you just enough battery capacity to get you through a day on a charge when the phone is new, knowing that it won't be nearly enough in 18 months time, giving you a wonderful incentive to buy a new one.
Every time there are advances in technology that reduce power usage and requirements, Apple 'thins', rather than provide better battery life.
Also, I've had a 3GS with a battery that lasted 6 years and still gave 3 hours of use, 18h standby after those 6 years.
Why? Shallow cycling; meaning I rarely went bellow 30%.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
A Battery that's stored at 0% already won't last long; that's why they're usually stored half charged.
I don't quite see how the article doesn't jibe with what I said.
Table 3 of you linked page demonstrates capacity loss as a function of temperature and state of charge. The table implies a battery stored with an initial 100% charge for one year at 25° C could expect a capacity reduction of 20%
My Samsung Wave is 5.5 years old and still has useful longevity on it's original battery and is still usable - so I still use it. I know that seems to contradict what I said but it used to be a lot better and was GSM Arena's battery life champ for years, so it was starting from a pinacle position. I am mystified as to why it is still doing so well when the batteries in my Apple laptops tend to be pretty useless after 3 years. The MBP is the best of them so far, despite the above warning that it's defective.
That's why it's actually not a good idea to always use your laptop plugged in at all time.
It's particularly bad to use your laptop or cell phone at 100% if it's in heavy use (because you'll heat your device more and 100% and heat means even quicker degradation)
So, it doesn't jibe because actual use is not 100% all the time, as soon as you leave 100%, are at 90-95%, the decrease is significantly slower.
Same thing with letting your phone do a deep discharge.
Batteries last a lot longer if they're in the 25-75% for most of their life.
Losing the 3.5mm headphone jack though means potentially throwing away my new Bose noise-cancelling QC20 buds - that ain't happening. So if there's no adapter then I may be skipping a couple of generations of iPhones, until someone makes an adapter. Love the Bose NC-buds!
I haven't seen any comments about what Apple might need the space from the headphone jack for. They have a couple patents for a zoom lens, which looks like it would much more room than the current camera. Some shifting of components, removal of the headphone jack, and now there's room.